10 shots for Everton.. we had 6 tonight.
Moyes So Far!
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10 shots for Everton.. we had 6 tonight.
In this instance I think we are being naive to put it mildly.
Negative football personified.
I think "positives" is far too strong a word for that performance. Competent but lacklustre.
No cohesion whatsoever in attack. It's like he didn't get Fabregas and instead thought well feck it, I'm not going to even try and attack in those areas. Like he's tried to make us solid, but we've been shit at the back and never come under so much pressure. Probably because we've given the opposition nothing to worry about. Reap what you sow.
No cohesion whatsoever in attack. It's like he didn't get Fabregas and instead thought well feck it, I'm not going to even try and attack in those areas. Like he's tried to make us solid, but we've been shit at the back and never come under so much pressure. Probably because we've given the opposition nothing to worry about. Reap what you sow.
In fairness we've had similar performances away like that under Sir Alex the past few years, the thing is if it were any other season we'd say," good point, crap performance.. next game please" but this one is just a disaster on wheels, I guess we have to take into account we've been so bloody poor lately that the Arsenal fans tonight booed at only drawing with us at fulltime.
It's understandable if his own interests are at the forefront of his mind rather than the club's. We needed to get 3 points to hang on to Liverpool's coattails in the race for 4th. The difference between 1 point and none was meaningless from United's point of view. We are now out of the Champions League for next season.
Avoiding defeat means Dave is more likely to hang on to his job, but does nothing for the club.
I'm gonna try be positive, because it's obvious the club is persisting with the man.
Would we not all agree that defensively we improved tonight? That is one half of our game we can build on anyway.
There is still massive work to be done on our attacking phase of play but I feel we may finally have something we can build on. Having said all that the story of our season has been one step forward and two steps back. Really hope we follow tonight's performance with a good one versus Palace.
Would we not all agree that defensively we improved tonight? That is one half of our game we can build on anyway.
There is still massive work to be done on our attacking phase of play but I feel we may finally have something we can build on. Having said all that the story of our season has been one step forward and two steps back. Really hope we follow tonight's performance with a good one versus Palace.
Its actually quite difficult watching his post match interviews. Its like he's trying to bore the journalists into leaving him alone. Like a defence mechanism.
I would agree although it was more to do with our experienced defenders who are all leaving in the summer (and then Smalling as well) showing they've still got it in them to put in great performances. There wasn't any stupid lapses in concentration which has cost us for most of the goals we've conceded since the turn of the year. Those lapses usually happen when you don't have a experienced partnership at the back, but today we had Rio and Vidic who a few years ago were the best in the world. I agree though. Today showed we can be good defensively. Now in the next game lets actually attack the opposition and go win with some good play rather then doing constant long balls.
Nice videos above, cheers. Does anyone have the post match press conference for Fulham, keep hearing loads about it and articles but not seen it fully yet?
On Moyes, another dull game tonight, 2 shots on target all game. Man we suck big time. 11 points behind Liverpool who are 4th place, has to be a massive failure so far.
On Moyes, another dull game tonight, 2 shots on target all game. Man we suck big time. 11 points behind Liverpool who are 4th place, has to be a massive failure so far.
It's very rare we showed such little attacking intent though. Possible away in Europe... but even then we'd show something more.
A game like that under SAF would have seen us look to break quickly with the ball and nick a goal.
Was the pre-match conference for the Arsenal game. Most of it was the print press interviews where he said people weren't of the proper football intelligence re: his tactics.
The players aren't arsed. Half of them look like they want to be gone in the summer, some of our big names. Our football is wank, with no diversity whatsoever. Game is there for the taking, and yet no one can be arsed.
I'm really struggling to see a positive way out of this season with Moyes remaining in charge. And no cnut is going to want to come and play for us, no big cnut anyway.
I'm really struggling to see a positive way out of this season with Moyes remaining in charge. And no cnut is going to want to come and play for us, no big cnut anyway.
Must admit my patience is wearing thin and I was one of the ones who said a while back give him to the end of the season when all these Moyes threads were cropping up!! Its the football, its either cross, cross 81 times cross long ball or 2 shots on goal like tonight, its so boring, results or not.
He keeps going on about buying his own players or working to do things, working for results but how are we 11 points off 4th place with a championship winning team + Fellaini + Mata. No one of note has gone, even Rooney stayed!
With SAF I knew there was a high chance his "X player is injued and won't make it" "we're not interested in that player" or "the referee was awful" was total BULL. Yet with David Moyes I actually think he might just well believe the things he tells the press, like we played well, we had good chances or United played 81 crosses and nothing else wide football in their history.
If this carries on he will get the sack at some point SAF saviour/vouch or not. We all expected to lose to Arsenal tonight and I think that is what saved him another roasting. This is not the MUFC I know and if any of Brendan Rodgers, Martinez and Tim Sherwood beat him with our squad then its humiliating for him, NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
He always has to have either of young or valencia on the pitch. Moyes logic.
Its like he does it on purpose to make sure the fans are never completely satisfied, and there is always something to complain about in the lineup. If he played them all and we were still crap going forward then what player would we blame? Everything would go on the manager
"I don't like talking about luck"
Awh David...Please do something to get us on your side...I'm begging you!!!
Moyes really is crap. Why bother bringing Young on? For renewed vigour? After all, the defending was ok. It was just the attacking intent that was lacking.
Moyes complaining about his lack of luck while at the same time having landed the luckiest job in football is pure irony.
Hope the club ban him from using the word "luck" from now on. Then he says he doesn't like talking about it. It's the only thing we've heard from him for weeks now.
2 shots on goal = bad luck in Moyes school of football.
As the season goes on I just don't see him as the man for the job. He's made a mess of this season. Our style of play lacks any amount of creativity and is very pedestrian(and as we've seen, easy to defend against). People say the players lack confidence so that's why we are where we are. I'd suggest that stems from the manager. He's never looked remotely confident in the job and has said the team needs several players to compete again and more recently accused them of being mentally soft(or what's it weak?).
When you look at the attacking talent we have, Rooney, RVP, Kagawa, Mata and Januzaj, there's really no way we should be as dull going as forward as we are. Those players are all very skilled on the ball and can play quick football. Instead of playing 4 of them, we play 3 with one out and out winger which only serves to make us completely unbalanced and takes away a lot of the fluidity that could develop. The names we've been linked to to build Moyes' team have been the calibre of talent we should be looking at but I don't think he'd play to their strengths, forcing them to fit into the standard style of wing play.
When you look at the attacking talent we have, Rooney, RVP, Kagawa, Mata and Januzaj, there's really no way we should be as dull going as forward as we are. Those players are all very skilled on the ball and can play quick football. Instead of playing 4 of them, we play 3 with one out and out winger which only serves to make us completely unbalanced and takes away a lot of the fluidity that could develop. The names we've been linked to to build Moyes' team have been the calibre of talent we should be looking at but I don't think he'd play to their strengths, forcing them to fit into the standard style of wing play.
I cant the believe the board can see anything else than he is just is not anywhere near good enough. How much compensation would he have to be paid if he was sacked tomorrow?
Well, he's paid £5 million a year so...£25 million if he's got rid of at the end of the season? Pay out his contract?
I'm not sure how them kind of things work
I doubt his contract just says it's for 6 years. I'm sure there are certain clauses in there to minimize how much Inited would have to pay should things go completely tits up.
Maybe that's why were not sacking him then, when we get knocked out of the Champions League in a week which we will, we will be a team not playing for anything by mid February, I hope he gets sacked then.
The defending may have been better than the shambles of most of our matches this year, but it was far from great. We were extremely deep for most of the match, especially the last half hour or so, which is asking for trouble if teams are prepared to really have a go. If anything, we were a bit lucky that Arsenal wanted to avoid defeat after their last result; it was a better point for them than for us.
The few moments where we pressed higher up the pitch as a unit were better; still lots of hesitation and no fluidity from our players in possession, but we won the ball back a few times in areas that should have been dangerous. What I don't understand is having Van Persie so far up the pitch when the rest of our team is sitting deep; we end up winning it back, only to hoof it forwards to Van Persie, who unsurprisingly couldn't win headers against Mertesacker and Koscielny.
I was also happier to see Rooney dropping back rather than insisting on being right up alongside RVP, totally isolating our midfield. But I worry that this was only a measure Moyes will take in difficult away matches.
All in all, it was only an encouraging performance if we compare it to our recent horror shows.
The few moments where we pressed higher up the pitch as a unit were better; still lots of hesitation and no fluidity from our players in possession, but we won the ball back a few times in areas that should have been dangerous. What I don't understand is having Van Persie so far up the pitch when the rest of our team is sitting deep; we end up winning it back, only to hoof it forwards to Van Persie, who unsurprisingly couldn't win headers against Mertesacker and Koscielny.
I was also happier to see Rooney dropping back rather than insisting on being right up alongside RVP, totally isolating our midfield. But I worry that this was only a measure Moyes will take in difficult away matches.
All in all, it was only an encouraging performance if we compare it to our recent horror shows.
Decent while defending, and crap while going forward. This game was our best in a while and in truth, that's depressing. Moyes would've taken this result even before kickoff. And he still keeps one of our best players out, this time not even on the bench and play the other one out of position. And ofcourse either Valencia or Young has to be on the pitch all the fcuking time. 
F365.
Which is what we did last night. Almost worked too.
People see what they want to see these days. It's depressing. Obviously, it's hard to look at games in isolation but we've seen performances like last night plenty of times under Fergie and the result would have been acceptable in any other season.
If we're going to be open to the possibility of moyes turning things round (and i get the impression only a tiny minority on here are) you can't bring the baggage of the season so far to the analysis of every game. Fulham was awful. Much improved against Arsenal. Warm weather break for the team now now and more time to integrate Mata. Hopefully onwards and upwards from here.
Winning a game of football might help, even being positive in our play would help. I fear we have settled for 7th, fooking 7th."I don't like talking about luck"
Awh David...Please do something to get us on your side...I'm begging you!!!
Bingo.
Wait, there are people using last night's game as more fuel to rip on Moyes? I admit we have been disappointing this season, but I don't think we did too badly last night. Had a few chances to even win the game, with Van Persie missing a couple of chances. That's the main difference on the field between this season and last season. RVP turned everything to gold last season. This season we've had to cope with him out and then have to wait for him to regain his match fitness after coming back.
I wouldn't just blame Moyes for a performance like last night as we have indeed seen them before. The difference is that those types of performances are easy to accept when it's a top of the table 6 pointer.
We were tumescent and quite dull to watch for 75% of last season, but we knew how to win. The confidence is probably a bit low and motivation post Fergie is probably down too, understandably. But there's absolutely no excuse for Moyes not being able to get us to play better, slightly more attractive football. It has been terrible and shown no signs of abating
We were tumescent and quite dull to watch for 75% of last season, but we knew how to win. The confidence is probably a bit low and motivation post Fergie is probably down too, understandably. But there's absolutely no excuse for Moyes not being able to get us to play better, slightly more attractive football. It has been terrible and shown no signs of abating
Last night was never going to be a game to showcase some sort of new, more attacking style of football so there's really not much point using it as evidence to complain about that not happening.
Just because it was a little bit better doesn't stop it being really shit. It needs to change rapidly. I worry that we're going to go into summer, lose 3 of our most experienced defenders, a great unused talent in kagawa, and our two main strikers. I don't care what anyone says about rebuilding, who really sees us replacing that lot and getting the players we already needed in? While we look like this?
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