Wicked unlucky today. 4th looks gone.but it was looking a long shot and at least the wondering is over... But I'd rather come 8th now than suffer the EL.
Moyes So Far!
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I can't wait to laugh at you all in May when we are parading with the champions league
Name on the trophy.
Name on the trophy.
Say we finish 5th how can he sit there and carry on with the job? surely he should resign out of principle and do a Keegan at England job and admit it was beyond his level. I just can't see how he can carry on as Manchester United manager without finish fourth, which would have been a shit season in its own right but this is beyond ridiculous now.
Only have to put up with him for a few more months, Thank God.
He'll be gone in the summer.
He'll be gone in the summer.
That's one of the major problems here though. As much as we all love Fergie, he should not be the sole man with influence over Moyes' appointment and potential sacking, because he's bound to take his own history into it and give Moyes a lot of time.
In his 6 months in charge Moyes has broken nearly as many United records as Fergie.
He is hopeless, yet another negative record broken by him today, we had never lost to Stoke in the Premier league until today. He just isnt good enough.
Will he feck. We're never getting rid of him. He's more likely to do 26 years than 1.
He's running the club into the ground and the worse thing is, nothing will be done about it, not for now anyway. It's got to the point where others looking in will be amazed that he HASN'T been sacked, for all the shit about "being patient".
He cannot motivate this side, its so fecking obvious, week in week out, this is a side who cannot win a remotely tricky game.
Why did he not bring on Fletcher today? it was such an obvious substitution to make, no instead he throws a striker into central midfield as if it's some sort of last resort when there was absolutely no reason for it.
It's all well and good having Mata, Januzaj, Rooney and RVP but whats the point if the man sending them out their is a headless chicken?
I thought he was good at making teams tough to beat, he managed to make an inferior Everton side hard to beat, why is it so easy for teams to continually beat us?
We've more or less lost 6 out of 8 games this year. That'd be unacceptable at a club like Newcastle yet he 's doing it here and he's got the safest job in football. I look at our next 8 games and I can genuinely see similar results, he's brought a losing mentality to this club and it's not going to change just like that.
He cannot motivate this side, its so fecking obvious, week in week out, this is a side who cannot win a remotely tricky game.
Why did he not bring on Fletcher today? it was such an obvious substitution to make, no instead he throws a striker into central midfield as if it's some sort of last resort when there was absolutely no reason for it.
It's all well and good having Mata, Januzaj, Rooney and RVP but whats the point if the man sending them out their is a headless chicken?
I thought he was good at making teams tough to beat, he managed to make an inferior Everton side hard to beat, why is it so easy for teams to continually beat us?
We've more or less lost 6 out of 8 games this year. That'd be unacceptable at a club like Newcastle yet he 's doing it here and he's got the safest job in football. I look at our next 8 games and I can genuinely see similar results, he's brought a losing mentality to this club and it's not going to change just like that.
I don't see it to be honest. There are limits.
To be honest I think that this season we're in Newcastle and Southampton bracket. Everton, Spurs are way ahead of us playing wise, tacticwise and getting the results.
And I'm not entirely sure we are playing better than both Newcastle and Southampton.
The worst thing is that United have dug themselves into a hole. Ferguson's comments about standing behind the manager and about other clubs sacking managers, the 6-year contract, etc. etc.
Stability is the most overrated thing in football. You don't give time for time's sake, you give time if there's a reason to give time. For example, Liverpool's results under Rodgers were quite poor for a lot of last season but he was clearly moving the club to a different style and putting his stamp on things. With Moyes, there's... nothing. There's actually worse than nothing as he's clearly hurting the players with his style/tactics/motivation. He's not even getting the basics right. The substitutions today were absolutely fecking abysmal, never mind the tactics and general approach.
Let's face facts, he was hired because he reminded Ferguson of himself, Ferguson has been quite open about this. All of his strengths at Everton were based around getting the most out of a mid-table team. He does not have what it takes
At this stage my only hope is that, like Liverpool with Hodgson, he does as little long-term damage as possible before he leaves. Unfortunately he's going to get about 4 or 5 times the amount of time Hodgson did.
Stability is the most overrated thing in football. You don't give time for time's sake, you give time if there's a reason to give time. For example, Liverpool's results under Rodgers were quite poor for a lot of last season but he was clearly moving the club to a different style and putting his stamp on things. With Moyes, there's... nothing. There's actually worse than nothing as he's clearly hurting the players with his style/tactics/motivation. He's not even getting the basics right. The substitutions today were absolutely fecking abysmal, never mind the tactics and general approach.
Let's face facts, he was hired because he reminded Ferguson of himself, Ferguson has been quite open about this. All of his strengths at Everton were based around getting the most out of a mid-table team. He does not have what it takes
At this stage my only hope is that, like Liverpool with Hodgson, he does as little long-term damage as possible before he leaves. Unfortunately he's going to get about 4 or 5 times the amount of time Hodgson did.
Maybe he will resign?
Me too. In fact I would take seventeenth now if it means that Moyes won't be our manager next season.
If he'll be let to continue the job until Christmass as some people want, well, it will be another year like this.
Stoke away is a difficult fixture at the best of times. With 2 centre-half's injured, blustering conditions, 2 unstoppable goals and opposition keeper in fine form, it would have always going to end badly. Moyes is not to blame today.
That could easily have been a post on rawk over the last few years whenever they were losing all the time.
Moyes is to blame. He's turned a championship winning squad into a punching bag. It's actually ridiculous just how unsuited for the task he is.
I would not go as far to say 4th is lost however we are definitely an outside shot. We would need the champion winning form of last season to get it and I don't think Moyes can deliver that.
Once we didn't improve some of our problems (Mata doesn't) in the transfer window, then I'd all but given up. We aren't playing well enough and deserve to be where we are.
2 wins in 2014 is it? Out of half a dozen or so matches?
Bottom table/relegation form for any other club...
Bottom table/relegation form for any other club...
They say it's better to have a lucky general than a good general. Certainly Moyes has not been lucky so far.
He'll have to buy well in the summer, and maybe do some Buddhist meditation to build up his karma.
I think the Moyes Out! divas on here could do with some meditation ( if not medication) as well!
He'll have to buy well in the summer, and maybe do some Buddhist meditation to build up his karma.
I think the Moyes Out! divas on here could do with some meditation ( if not medication) as well!
Isn't it the united way to play exciting, attacking football, first and foremost? He's been given plenty of time and he hasn't even shown the slightest bit of tactical knowledge so far, and he hasn't shown anything to suggest he can get us playing well. It's just been out them on and hope they perform, even though half of them are out of position. Also, the fecking substitutions have been shocking. Game after game it's cost us. Even us with our limited football knowledge are rightly questioning his decisions and are bing proven right most of the time.
He's a good mid table manager, but that is all he is. Woefully out of depth at a united and the sooner we can get rid of him, the sooner we can get back to fixing things. He'll probably stay until the end of the season with the signing of mata, and probably a bit after for whatever reason but I can't see us being title contenders with him in charge.
He's a good mid table manager, but that is all he is. Woefully out of depth at a united and the sooner we can get rid of him, the sooner we can get back to fixing things. He'll probably stay until the end of the season with the signing of mata, and probably a bit after for whatever reason but I can't see us being title contenders with him in charge.
Can I ask the pro Moyes men what they see in him? And how do you see him coming good? He's digressed us so much in just over half a season. He's shown no sign of progress.
The injuries are killing us.
There is nothing to say really. Its all fecked. The whole thing.
van Persie couldnt last 90.. the only reason he stayed on for as long as he did was because Clev was struggling for a bit and we had to check on him before using the 3rd sub.
Really need WBA to win tomorrow. or get a draw..
I keep thinking we''ll turn it around and some external factor keeps disrupting that. It's bound to happen some time.. things will break our way.
There is nothing to say really. Its all fecked. The whole thing.
van Persie couldnt last 90.. the only reason he stayed on for as long as he did was because Clev was struggling for a bit and we had to check on him before using the 3rd sub.
Really need WBA to win tomorrow. or get a draw..
I keep thinking we''ll turn it around and some external factor keeps disrupting that. It's bound to happen some time.. things will break our way.
It's at that point. fecking get Hiddink, Heynckes, Capello, anybody. Moyes just doesn't have it.
You can look at my previous posts here (hell even at HT) but today I think he was a bit naïve putting Welbeck on instead of Fletcher. we already had 2 strikers out there why not bring Fletcher on when we are losing out best MF to CB
Our only hope may be if the players do a mutiny. The club officials are living in the past and can see further than their nose.
We are known as Everton United, Dave Sexton was a better coach!!!!!
If he were to be sacked now it would still mean we have a completely inexperienced coaching staff that's been part of this negative-atmosphere and may contribute to it with their inexperience. I don't see how he could be sacked now - who'd replace him?
If the board aren't incompetent they'll be thinking of options in the summer with a view to an immediate appointment as soon as the season finishes. But they may well be incompetent.
If the board aren't incompetent they'll be thinking of options in the summer with a view to an immediate appointment as soon as the season finishes. But they may well be incompetent.
Since they have return in EPL, we have won all except one game away. And injuries and other players being in form usually are part of the game.
When was the last time we had a pretty woeful season with injuries? When was the last time Carrick was playing CB and not for one game? What was our position in the league then?
Title winners, adds to the squad with 65 million and we won't even finish top 4 and every single team is ending some decade long record we have against them.
Moyes has to get more out of what he has. Fergie got us second with a Cm of giggs and O shea in 2006.
Been given the keys to a Ferrari but moyes has no idea how to actually drive a car.... Way out of his depth, job and pressure way too much for him, as is his tactics which are non existent
The guy is tactically clueless. Continous long ball from centre backs. He is so so so poor.
Stoke haven't won in last 6 yet moyes can't beat them.
Its time for people to stop burying their head in the sand. Some things do not work - and there are neon fecking arrows all pointing to the same thing.
Blame players all you like but there getting sent out with zero cohesion and a complete inability to string any passes together.
We should never have appointed the guy - there was far too many question marks about him. This was the single appointment we couldn't gamble on and we have cost ourselves our place at the top level of European football by taking the gamble.
Stoke haven't won in last 6 yet moyes can't beat them.
Its time for people to stop burying their head in the sand. Some things do not work - and there are neon fecking arrows all pointing to the same thing.
Blame players all you like but there getting sent out with zero cohesion and a complete inability to string any passes together.
We should never have appointed the guy - there was far too many question marks about him. This was the single appointment we couldn't gamble on and we have cost ourselves our place at the top level of European football by taking the gamble.
Today I felt for Moyes.
I think he opted for the correct team, we played decent stuff under conditions that basically made it almost impossible to play football and reduced the match to a long ball contest for large parts, but we got undone by a combination of injuries, bad luck, a horrific refereeing performance and some poor composure in front of goal from our players.
Didn't do an awful lot wrong today I felt, so in isolation the game wasn't bad.
But in the context of this season it's yet another poor result for a man who really could do with some wins.
We could always give Giggs the job until summer? It can't get any worse.
Fact is people can moan whinge and whine all they want, it won't make the slightest bit of difference, the guy has been given a 6 contract and will be going nowhere anytime soon.
The only good news is that he bought Mata, and a more modern manager will absolutely love that type of player.
We do need to call in a witch doctor or something though. His luck is just incredible.
We do need to call in a witch doctor or something though. His luck is just incredible.
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