Please please please please just get rid of him. It was painfully obvious to most of us that he wasn't the right man for the job - but we still stuck by him. Now thought, its clear as daylight that he simply isnt up for the job.
Moyes So Far!
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We were unlucky today, especially with the injuries, but moyes lost this game for us. First of all, right players in the first 11 but he made them play in a flat 4-4-2, and the game was all over the place. Then when jones got injured, the real killer was the welbeck sub. I mean what the feck are you bringing a forward on to put him as a #10 when we have mata, Rooney and rvp on the pitch? He was predictably shocking too. He just doesn't seem to have any tactical sense whatsoever, and it's just put the players on the pitch and hope they do something.
The defensive injuries were certainly a factor in today's defeat.
However, facts are facts, and United have lost 5 out of the 8 games we have played this year and been knocked out of two cup competitions and are looking very unlikely to finish in the top four next season which for me should be the minimum expectation.
I'm starting to get concerned how much damage Moyes is going to do to the club long-term because this season has just been one long free fall.
However, facts are facts, and United have lost 5 out of the 8 games we have played this year and been knocked out of two cup competitions and are looking very unlikely to finish in the top four next season which for me should be the minimum expectation.
I'm starting to get concerned how much damage Moyes is going to do to the club long-term because this season has just been one long free fall.
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Another awful result. We can say what we want about bad luck with injuries today, but that doesn't disguise another game where we lacked creativity and confidence. Even towards the end of the game, Stoke were still creating chances regularly and looked more dangerous than us.
The 'football' we play under Moyes is not befitting of Manchester United.
We haven't been aesthetically pleasing for two seasons prior to his arrival, but it was never ever as visually repugnant and mindless as what Moyes has us playing. Literally all we do is cross or try and power our way into the opposing goal. There is no guile, no coherence and no semblance of a ground-based game or plan.
Moyes is showing himself to have no comprehension of top-class players or man-management and is forcing them to pigeon-hole their game into such a myopic and ill-fitting strategy.
You can look for all the excuses in the world, but the bottom line of what we're seeing is what's being put into place via training and coaching from his hand-picked backroom staff. We've gone to Stoke and tried to out-muscle them with a smaller team, who, let's face it, have no appetite for a physical battle - from the outset, he's planned the whole game poorly, relying on 'magic' from one of our star players rather than any kind of tactical plan. On every single level Moyes is showing himself to be woefully out of his depth and this 'stand by your new manager' mantra is going to run us into the ground as our players become more and more disillusioned and conditioned to playing such bad football.
I honestly wish we would sack him now and get Hiddink in or SAF back (if he'd take the role) until the end of the season and start anew in the summer.
Optimism and blind loyalty are endearing traits if you back the right man, but Moyes, on every single level, is proving himself not to be that man. He is undoing so much of Fergie's work in one season that it beggars belief. We expected a bumpy ride this season, but Moyes doesn't even look competent enough to have us finish higher than 6th, and I'm not joking when I say that.
We haven't been aesthetically pleasing for two seasons prior to his arrival, but it was never ever as visually repugnant and mindless as what Moyes has us playing. Literally all we do is cross or try and power our way into the opposing goal. There is no guile, no coherence and no semblance of a ground-based game or plan.
Moyes is showing himself to have no comprehension of top-class players or man-management and is forcing them to pigeon-hole their game into such a myopic and ill-fitting strategy.
You can look for all the excuses in the world, but the bottom line of what we're seeing is what's being put into place via training and coaching from his hand-picked backroom staff. We've gone to Stoke and tried to out-muscle them with a smaller team, who, let's face it, have no appetite for a physical battle - from the outset, he's planned the whole game poorly, relying on 'magic' from one of our star players rather than any kind of tactical plan. On every single level Moyes is showing himself to be woefully out of his depth and this 'stand by your new manager' mantra is going to run us into the ground as our players become more and more disillusioned and conditioned to playing such bad football.
I honestly wish we would sack him now and get Hiddink in or SAF back (if he'd take the role) until the end of the season and start anew in the summer.
Optimism and blind loyalty are endearing traits if you back the right man, but Moyes, on every single level, is proving himself not to be that man. He is undoing so much of Fergie's work in one season that it beggars belief. We expected a bumpy ride this season, but Moyes doesn't even look competent enough to have us finish higher than 6th, and I'm not joking when I say that.
We did? Everyone of us?
With moyes in charge losing to Fulham is possible
We were unlucky with the injuries and unlucky with how they scored but not that they did, with the mistakes we had going on they easily could have had others. What will it take for him to change how we play centrally? He's played around with the wings a little but but not much, but it has always been the middle thats the issue and far, far too often he does nothing to address it. We need a third player there, someone who will get close to the cm's, when Mata did drop there and we played in on the ground we looked much better.
When we go a goal down he just seems to panic with the sub always to bring on an attacker when a lot of the time we just need to calm down, get control of the game and then wait for our chance. In Rooney, RVP, Mata we had players who could get the goal, what we needed was just to slow the game down, and control it. But for large periods of the game we allowed it to be far too open imo. And I just don't get why we ended up with Welbeck and Hernandez leading the line. Welbeck when he's the second striker is simply not good enough, if RVP was going off then we needed to plan to make sure that we get Rooney close to goal.
It's another three points we really couldn't afford to drop and for me I don't see any sign from Moyes that he's going to address the problems. He can talk about all the players he thinks we need but ultimately the players we have are not as bad as being made out and the shortfalls they do have he'd doing nothing too address.
When we go a goal down he just seems to panic with the sub always to bring on an attacker when a lot of the time we just need to calm down, get control of the game and then wait for our chance. In Rooney, RVP, Mata we had players who could get the goal, what we needed was just to slow the game down, and control it. But for large periods of the game we allowed it to be far too open imo. And I just don't get why we ended up with Welbeck and Hernandez leading the line. Welbeck when he's the second striker is simply not good enough, if RVP was going off then we needed to plan to make sure that we get Rooney close to goal.
It's another three points we really couldn't afford to drop and for me I don't see any sign from Moyes that he's going to address the problems. He can talk about all the players he thinks we need but ultimately the players we have are not as bad as being made out and the shortfalls they do have he'd doing nothing too address.
He makes me want to cry. That's how fecking painful it is.
Out of three races on first of February. Out of the fight for the fourth place now too.
The worst manager I have ever seen on a top club. And that includes the likes of Hodgson at Liverpool and Benitez at Inter.
The worst manager I have ever seen on a top club. And that includes the likes of Hodgson at Liverpool and Benitez at Inter.
Oh dear.
Yeah lets blame everything on Moyes and forget there are players out there.
Let it go mate really.
That was the worst Stoke side I've seen this decade. Same goes for United but for couple of decades.
50% winning percentage this year. We're still to play City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton and the likes.
You could easily put Neville on the bench instead of Moyes, whatever could be worse this season?? Apart from winning against Arsenal at home and winning Swansea away I can't really see any result being worse.
seriously running our of time and i think it's probably for the best if he goes.
This is exactly it, all this crap from some posters, saying it's the players. Do you honesty think that our squad is man for man worse that Everton's? There's only one team with a better squad of players in the league and while they might play in Blue it's not bloody Everton.
Buy Mata. Continue to lump the ball up to the strikers.
As someone said in the matchday forum, 1 step forward, 2 steps back. Every, single, time.
As someone said in the matchday forum, 1 step forward, 2 steps back. Every, single, time.
Only cretins thought that.
And people genuinely thought things were improving?
Jesus fecking Christ. This guy is an impostor. Another 90 mins of complete fecking shite.
Jesus fecking Christ. This guy is an impostor. Another 90 mins of complete fecking shite.
Five (5) in eight matches.
Yeah yeah, all you ever do on here is post " Moyes out!"
We better hold on to Moyes lest we miss the pleasure of your intellect.
I wonder why all players who are good technically (with the exception of Rooney) are playin far worse than last year. That includes Rafael, Carrick, Cleverley, Kagawa and RVP.Yeah lets blame everything on Moyes and forget there are players out there.
Maybe because we have a manager who know only to play percentage football and has no fecking idea how to use them.
Our equliser came through a clearence from Carrick being badly cleared by Stoke and falling to Mata, it was long ball.
badum-tss....but seriously though, I ain't gonna call for his head just yet, but this is seriously becoming embarassing...how shit can you be with a team that walked the league last season and the roughly 70m you spent on 2 players? lately it's starting to feel like I'm watching a season-long parody. How long before he at the very least gets "a hairdryer treatment" from Fergie for being so unbelievably inept?Yeah lets blame everything on Moyes and forget there are players out there.
Even if we had Messi and Ronaldo, this clown would still find a way to lose, football has changed from 25 years ago, fire this clown, and get a real coach!
I will probably get pelters for this, but today I don't actually blame him, or the players to a certain extent. It was no different a performance to any other season away to Stoke. We didn't play that badly, it's just that the bloke seems to be riddled with bad luck. Stoke hadn't even had a shot until that fat feck scored that lucky free kick. And to top it off we lose 2 centre backs in one half. We get straight back in it and then they score again. Great strike admittedly, but did anyone notice the assist to it?? Complete luck.
And how we didn't equalise I don't know.
4th is gone now, I think i'll just watch the rest of the season not expecting anything for each game, and write this season off.
I hope these major signings he has planned for the summer don't mind not playing Champions league football!!
And how we didn't equalise I don't know.
4th is gone now, I think i'll just watch the rest of the season not expecting anything for each game, and write this season off.
I hope these major signings he has planned for the summer don't mind not playing Champions league football!!
Be prepared for a few years of this.
Roy Keane said fergie's greatest quality was his ruthlessness. Lets hope its true - C'mon Fergie, be ruthless once more and make a brave decision.
We canee take the strain capt'n!
We have nothing to lose by getting rid now.
In fact if we can get in a top class manager he has loads of time to get settled in before next season.
Jose should be offered the job.
In fact if we can get in a top class manager he has loads of time to get settled in before next season.
Jose should be offered the job.
It's unfortunate about the injuries and the first goal was pure fluky. He was forced to play Carrick at centre back and that is tough but don't then start moving other players out of position all for the sake of Welbeck who hasn't had the best of seasons and is no way as good as players we have in the same position. Fletcher is an actual midfielder, probably our best midfielder at this present time until Carrick wakes the feck up. He also can provide cover for a defence that has been porous when everyone is fit, let alone when we have a CM playing in there. It was absolutely baffling why he did that. Rooney is better in that number 10 position, he's been our best player this season in that position. You only move him in an emergency and today we didn't have to. And even then wouldn't it be better to move our very expensive and very good shiny new #10 and bring on a wider player to take up the position on the flank?
Then we move onto our tactics of playing continuous long balls in ridiculously windy conditions. It's been the same all season. There are unfortunate circumstances all season long be it injuries and players colossal loss of form but Moyes doesn't help himself with his weird decisions. You've got a great technically gifted player that you've spent a lot of money on. Use him in a style that would make the most out of him.
Then we move onto our tactics of playing continuous long balls in ridiculously windy conditions. It's been the same all season. There are unfortunate circumstances all season long be it injuries and players colossal loss of form but Moyes doesn't help himself with his weird decisions. You've got a great technically gifted player that you've spent a lot of money on. Use him in a style that would make the most out of him.
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It isn't a case of blaming either Moyes or the players, there's more than enough blame to go around.
We've been absolutely atrocious this season. Both Moyes and the players are letting the club down.
The one bright spot is the patience the fans have shown so far. If Moyes does eventually get the sack he can have no complaints over the time he was given, no other club would be giving him the chance to turn this around.
We've been absolutely atrocious this season. Both Moyes and the players are letting the club down.
The one bright spot is the patience the fans have shown so far. If Moyes does eventually get the sack he can have no complaints over the time he was given, no other club would be giving him the chance to turn this around.
Is he victim of some kind of vodoo magic? How much bad luck can one man have.
"We" certainly do not, there are a few oblivious to the Moyes effect, but not that many.
I guess not. Was bemused to say the least at the posters who were suddenly busy talking about the possibility of 3rd, as if catching us was a matter of course.
It was as if you hadn't just been knocked out of the league cup by a dreadful sunderland side. Your recent win wasn't too convincing either. Think you might actually be in your worst form of the season at the moment and that is saying something.
I have changed my mind again. No top 4 and he should be fired. No other top club would accept this.
For the first time I'm 100% in the Moyes out camp.
When you start to look at the season we have actually gotten worse, yes he's been unlucky, you would have to be blind to argue otherwise, however this has given him a blanket of security from the backlash of fans.
Now however, it's clear we aren't getting top 4, which was a minimum at the start of the season, he has spent over £60 million, 27 of which was a panic buy.
Unfortunately I think he is untouchable
When you start to look at the season we have actually gotten worse, yes he's been unlucky, you would have to be blind to argue otherwise, however this has given him a blanket of security from the backlash of fans.
Now however, it's clear we aren't getting top 4, which was a minimum at the start of the season, he has spent over £60 million, 27 of which was a panic buy.
Unfortunately I think he is untouchable
I honestly couldn't believe how often it happened. Rooney doing it was bad enough but at least he might find somebody, but how many times did the ball get rolled to Smalling just for him to kick it out? literally probably the worst passer in the squad and he's the one out of him and Carrick being given the ball.
I'm just saying: Villas Boas gets sacked when his team is sitting 6th, and our manager at 7th?...
Moyes canne take the strain either I think!
We'll have a new manager next season. I hope. He isn't the man to lead us into the new era.
We're not even in the race for top four, let alone a title race. Before the "bad luck" brigade come in here, we were absolutely woeful in that first half, we created one Rooney half chance against a side Liverpool scored five against a few weeks ago. We could have Bale and Ronaldo in the team, we still wouldn't create anything because for reasons which are unknown to me, before Rooney was shifted back into midfield, he was actually playing alongside RVP in a 4-4-2. We're back to the same nonsense he was doing at the start of the season, it's ridiculous. When we went on our six win winning run, Rooney was playing deep and making a midfield three, why can't he do that with RVP on the pitch? It's crazy. We showed some fight second half, and Begovic made an amazing save, but we still created very little, Cleverley's miss from the Rooney free kick aside, I don't remember anything clear cut. I don't want him sacked, but he has to improve, it doesn't matter who we play, we create bugger all, all we do is go wide, constantly. I lost count of the amount of times Mata was on centrally and Cleverley just went wide instead, it's very frustrating. You can't blame the players for our lack of creativity anymore, there was a lot of talent on that pitch today, it has to be tactical. When players aren't moving off the ball, when there's no options for players on the ball, it all points to tactics. Anyway, I've waffled on, it's probably mostly gibberish, but I'm annoyed.
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