Disagree with a United legend.A side which included Mark Higgins,Terry Gibson,Colin Gibson and Peter Davenport was far worse and it finished below mid-table! Sick of anyone and everyone having a shit opinion on this side.
Moyes So Far!
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It seems like everyone wants to take swipes at our squad but I hope it just spurs them on.
Like Rafa and Fletch said last week we have a good squad and we're going to prove it. Gordon Hill was a superb winger and Lord knows Valencia could do worse than watch some of his tapes right now but I cant have him saying that. We have a good squad. They been low on confidence but form is temporary and their title winning class is permanent.
They aren't mediocre when all the elements are there, take the main ones out, which is happening at the minute then they are mediocre. If we get them back then we can be a match for anyone. Problem is it may be too late for this season. When Rooney and RVP are out, I don't like relying on Welbeck and Hernandez totally.
Daily Fail again...bastards
I am going to avoid this thread for sure tomorrow after our game with chelsea.....I think its gonna be a very negative place to be
ignore the likes of Hill......
complete balls to suggest this is the worst United team in 30 years
sadly you get ex-pros lining up to have a dig at Moyes and United when things are going wrong
hope he enjoys the money the Daily Mail give him the prat
complete balls to suggest this is the worst United team in 30 years
sadly you get ex-pros lining up to have a dig at Moyes and United when things are going wrong
hope he enjoys the money the Daily Mail give him the prat
I think the difference is that most people here are resigned to a loss, so the fallout from tomorrow won't be as bad as say, the losses against Everton and Newcastle consecutively, or going out of the FA Cup. Still, I'll be browsing the general and entertainment forums.
'It won't be an issue when trying to sign players, not from the trips I am making and the things I am hearing. The amount of big players wanting to join Manchester United is incredible. Maybe some players go for the money at other clubs but, if you ask them where they really want to be, they want to wear the badge of Manchester United.'
If this was a parady quote it'd be amazing, and we'd all be laughing. Unfortunatly...its not.
If this was a parady quote it'd be amazing, and we'd all be laughing. Unfortunatly...its not.
'It won't be an issue when trying to sign players, not from the trips I am making and the things I am hearing. The amount of big players wanting to join Manchester United is incredible. Maybe some players go for the money at other clubs but, if you ask them where they really want to be, they want to wear the badge of Manchester United.'
If this was a parady quote it'd be amazing, and we'd all be laughing. Unfortunatly...its not.
I think what he says is true from a certain point of view. For example, if we went in for Hazard, and offered him, his agent and the club exactly what Chelsea offered, I'd be willing to bet he'd have come to United. So what Moyes is saying is true, but only if we offered similar deals to other clubs.
The thing with this day and age is, there are many top clubs. If one is unwilling to pay a fee, another will come in and do it and that club will be also be worthy of joining. 15 years ago, in England at least, there were only few clubs a player could go to and still argue that he joined to be successful. Now, that same player can chose all of 5-6, in England alone.
I agree with that. It's nice we're trying to be all principled an that, but there's a point where you have to give up the ghost. The football world isn't going to bend to our whim.
This of course rests on the assumption the money's actually there to compete.
This of course rests on the assumption the money's actually there to compete.
That's one of the worst possible wordings he could have used.
For me so far this has been one of the biggest problems with him: Almost everything we've seen him say - like the post-match interviews that had many of us going what-the-feck - sounds way too much like a loser trying to say things he's seen winners say. This might not be what's actually going on, but if it looks like a duck and all that.
He definitely doesn't have an innate knack for how to say things in the public arena. He could learn, of course, but it'd have been nice if he were able to hit the ground running in that aspect.
He needs to learn how to talk fair yet tough, but as mentioned above, that's hard to learn unless you're born with it. Klopp/Hiddink are some great examples of this.
For me so far this has been one of the biggest problems with him: Almost everything we've seen him say - like the post-match interviews that had many of us going what-the-feck - sounds way too much like a loser trying to say things he's seen winners say. This might not be what's actually going on, but if it looks like a duck and all that.
He definitely doesn't have an innate knack for how to say things in the public arena. He could learn, of course, but it'd have been nice if he were able to hit the ground running in that aspect.
He needs to learn how to talk fair yet tough, but as mentioned above, that's hard to learn unless you're born with it. Klopp/Hiddink are some great examples of this.
'It won't be an issue when trying to sign players, not from the trips I am making and the things I am hearing. The amount of big players wanting to join Manchester United is incredible. Maybe some players go for the money at other clubs but, if you ask them where they really want to be, they want to wear the badge of Manchester United.'
If this was a parady quote it'd be amazing, and we'd all be laughing. Unfortunatly...its not.
And what's so bad about this ? He's spot on and this is true. Whether our owners / Woodward/ whoever is in charge of our money is willing to pay the price though is another thing and this is where we seem to be failling at the very moment.
I lie awake at night worrying about this too. Results seem pretty unimportant to me now.
For all your sarcasm, you did make this post at quarter past midnight, so there's probably a veiled truth there somewhere.
I think he is a complete pillock I met him at a rib place The Bar B Barn in Montreal, he of all people should not be commenting he is a total bellend
He doesn't sound too bright. Ditto the other fellow. Probably too young to understand.
He needs to do something dramatic to give the transfer muppets, which we've pretty much all become now, temporarily at least, something to digest. He needs to make a statement: this is the new regime, this player represents the future and my rebuild, I know what I'm doing in the market and I can convince top players to come. It'll get a monkey off his back in the media and among fans with genuine concerns like the ones being posted in this thread. That's as good a reason to do something this month as any other, that it'll silence a lot of the speculation about our demise and give the squad a lift in terms of morale. He should really break the bank and get that done, it couldn't do any harm in encouraging Rooney to commit himself either (as long as it isn't someone who'll compete for his position, of course).
The point I'm rambling on here trying to make is that while our squad lacks a bit of quality and needs reinforcement, I think it'll do even more from a morale perspective, relieving pressure coming from those worrying Moyes simply doesn't know what he's doing. Getting someone A List in might give us more of a sense of direction and purpose.
The point I'm rambling on here trying to make is that while our squad lacks a bit of quality and needs reinforcement, I think it'll do even more from a morale perspective, relieving pressure coming from those worrying Moyes simply doesn't know what he's doing. Getting someone A List in might give us more of a sense of direction and purpose.
I just wish Moyes had a little more fighting talk in his press conferences. He does seem to use words sometimes as though he's laying the foundations for the post match press conference after a defeat! Phrases like "we have to believe...." etc are not attacking, confident or assured. They suggest doubt. Anyway...I suppose it's all semantics, it's just Fergie would always use fighting talk...
having said that, Moyes is certainly coining one of Fergie's phrases almost as much as the later did.... "there's no doubt about that...". It's just that when Moyes says it....you just get the feeling that there really is doubt about it...
having said that, Moyes is certainly coining one of Fergie's phrases almost as much as the later did.... "there's no doubt about that...". It's just that when Moyes says it....you just get the feeling that there really is doubt about it...
Quoting it here to not derail the twitter thread.
What's wrong with what he said? 6months of poor play suddenly lessens our appeal? Its an entirely different matter whether we can afford their fee and wages but what's incredible about saying that we are among the clubs that big players want to play for?
What's wrong with what he said? 6months of poor play suddenly lessens our appeal? Its an entirely different matter whether we can afford their fee and wages but what's incredible about saying that we are among the clubs that big players want to play for?
Papers seem to be full of Moyes saying we can still win the league this year?!
My goodness, I love the positive angle, but how on earth? We're 14 off Arsenal if we lose today, and only 11 behind if we win! And we haven't won there in the league in seeming living memory with a full team, let alone the front 2 out.
Top 4 is going to be a real dog fight....it feels a little like when Benitez was adamant Pool would come top 4. And we know how that ended!!
My goodness, I love the positive angle, but how on earth? We're 14 off Arsenal if we lose today, and only 11 behind if we win! And we haven't won there in the league in seeming living memory with a full team, let alone the front 2 out.
Top 4 is going to be a real dog fight....it feels a little like when Benitez was adamant Pool would come top 4. And we know how that ended!!
Eh? It isnt as simple as that at all.
Firstly, we have to be ready to pay top dollar for them in terms of the fee. Secondly, we need to pay them the wages that comes with top players.
Take a Cavani or Falcao as examples of big players moving recently. If we could afford the fee and wages, you think they'd want to play for PSG and Monaco or United?
That's what he's saying. Big players want to play for us. Problem imo is that we dont seem to be accepting how the market is. We want big players without paying top dollar, doesnt happen now.
It just sound really stupid to say that big players queuing up to join when we seem to be struggling to sign any but desperately need one and just came off a summer of transfer hilarity.
What do you think its due to? Or inability to cough up the cash or our lack of appeal as a club?
Tell me, if we were willing to pay, you think the likes of PSG and Monaco are more appealing clubs to play for?
If your opinion is based solely on the summer window troubles, then you're wrong imo.
Nah, United are shite, Moyes is shite. We will now forever be competing for top 4 places instead of the title. We need to spend 200m to turn this squad around and no one wants to join us so we only ever sign sponsors. DOOM!!
It's all in the interpretation of what Moyes considers "big players". From an Everton perspective..yeah..there must be loads of 'big players' wanting to join us....but from a united point of vew.....pah!
Moyes is just spouting out the same outdated views the club holds.
Well they'll have to put up or shut up. Well established players will demand high wages, if we can guarantee them just that then they may join. Not that I blame folk, money does talk.
I generally agree... but we won there last year.
I think it's due to being stingy as feck in the transfer market and, at times, acting a bit small time. But if I am that way I don't get to say "oh look everyone wants to join us" without showing the results of that. It's a bit lame really. Bayern can say it all they want given the players they've been signing. This just comes across as empty words really.
Empty words yes, considering our record in the transfer market. But what he said wasnt wrong which was my initial point.
Thing is, he just cant win with some here. He's going to be blamed regardless.
I'd actually forgotten we beat Chelsea away last year.
Probably because they had 2 players sent off, and we had a really unusual run of terrific away wins In hard places, almost like a dream.
Probably because they had 2 players sent off, and we had a really unusual run of terrific away wins In hard places, almost like a dream.
Yeah, and Hernandez's winning goal was offside as well.
Fully agree. With belief and confidence draining out of fans and players alike, if there ever was a time for a 'name' signing, it's now.
Jesus, his record against top 4 teams really is poor.
Its amazing how quickly confidence/expectation of us supporters has disappated.
Its amazing how quickly confidence/expectation of us supporters has disappated.
Absolutely zero organisation at the back.
Seriously, what the feck do they do during the week?
Seriously, what the feck do they do during the week?
This is going to be a tough one to bounce back from. We are so far off the pace now. No signings in january wont help Moyes' cause. We lack a lot of quality all over the pitch, and the defence is a shambles. No organisation, nothing.
sooo...the game Wednesday then...
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