It's what happens when teams give you time and space to play. Any technically decent side can look utter dogshit when pressed effectively by the opposition.
That said everything did just "click" which I hope isn't just a one-off.
Moyes So Far!
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It's what happens when teams give you time and space to play. Any technically decent side can look utter dogshit when pressed effectively by the opposition.
That said everything did just "click" which I hope isn't just a one-off.
David Moyes- UEFA Champions League specialist.
Think this was our best away performance in the Champions League since we demolished Arsenal in the semi final?
Think this was our best away performance in the Champions League since we demolished Arsenal in the semi final?
Our best CL performance, since Schalke (first leg). Ironic that it was away from home, against a German team.
Since there's been no hesitation to jump on Moyes in his early tenure I am feeling obliged to offer such knee jerk reaction while the goings good. It seems he has a way of combatting European styles, he showed a little of it against Arsenal as you could argue their style is of European nature. In Europe this year we have seemingly found a balance with enough in defence and enough in attack to snuff teams out. How he fairs against some of Europes more technically gifted will obviously answer in more depth but some managers do have a knack of of getting results out of a less gifted group of players against Europes best. Pains me to say but Benitez had a similar way, guiding an inferior Liverpool to a couple of finals and Mourinhos forays into Europe with Porto and Inter indicate that a more defensively balanced side can reep rewards. Definite argument that SAF under performed in Europe silverware wise and yet he always set up attacking sides, Real Madrid are probably the most attacking of all of Europes elite and yet it's teams that pass you to death or play you to death without the ball like Barca and Bayern that have the most success but there is always success to be had from a well balanced defensive unit that's also armed to attack when opportunity knocks.
Have we found this manager in Moyes ? I wonder if we have and you can't argue that his setups totally dismantled Bayers over the two games it also knocked the wheels off Wengers bus in similar fashion. I know this is a badly constructed post as I've bashed it out on my phone, just hope I've got the points across I meant to.
Destroy it as you will.
Have we found this manager in Moyes ? I wonder if we have and you can't argue that his setups totally dismantled Bayers over the two games it also knocked the wheels off Wengers bus in similar fashion. I know this is a badly constructed post as I've bashed it out on my phone, just hope I've got the points across I meant to.
Destroy it as you will.
Statistical comparisons (saw it on RAWK last year), for common games played ie where both teams have played Everton away etc. Any promoted team replaces a relegated team from last year.
v 12/13 Man Utd -10 pts, -7 GD. Last year was an exceptional year.
v Arsenal -2pts
v Chelsea -1pt
v Liverpool 0pts
v Man City +4pts
Games played against Top6
5 Man Utd 3H, 2A
3 Arsenal 2H, 1A & Liverpool 2H, 1A
2 Chelsea 1H, 1A & Man City 1H, 1A
At lot done, more to do.
v 12/13 Man Utd -10 pts, -7 GD. Last year was an exceptional year.
v Arsenal -2pts
v Chelsea -1pt
v Liverpool 0pts
v Man City +4pts
Games played against Top6
5 Man Utd 3H, 2A
3 Arsenal 2H, 1A & Liverpool 2H, 1A
2 Chelsea 1H, 1A & Man City 1H, 1A
At lot done, more to do.
Looking at who we've faced compared to our rivals, I cannot help but be confident about the second half of the season.
It's only really Arsenal who've had easier fixtures, Chelsea and City have had much the same as us. Probably partly explains why Arsenal are breaking away from the pack.
United are top of the PL form table, with only Arsenal the only Top6 form team not 'dropping' a win this weekend.
In baseball, the teams don't look at 162 games and say, "we have to win 82+ games. Their games come in clusters of 2, 3 or 4 against the same opposition and they target each series to achieve at least 50% success rate and if that happens, they will finish above .500 for the season.
If Moyes keeps the hammer down, now that he has qualified for the last 16 in the CL, I do feel he can do well. If he bolsters the squad with, maybe two players, in January and then picks up 3/4 players next Summer, he could start producing what Fergie saw in him.
I've had my doubts, but I would have had them about any manager replacing Fergie. I'm not saying he's achieved yet and RAWK seem to have the same opinion of him as we would have had of, basically, every one of their managers since 1991, but I feel there's a change in the water and United need to drive this home next weekend. Only a win is acceptable....like Sheff Wed in 1993. Keep driving them on now.
In baseball, the teams don't look at 162 games and say, "we have to win 82+ games. Their games come in clusters of 2, 3 or 4 against the same opposition and they target each series to achieve at least 50% success rate and if that happens, they will finish above .500 for the season.
If Moyes keeps the hammer down, now that he has qualified for the last 16 in the CL, I do feel he can do well. If he bolsters the squad with, maybe two players, in January and then picks up 3/4 players next Summer, he could start producing what Fergie saw in him.
I've had my doubts, but I would have had them about any manager replacing Fergie. I'm not saying he's achieved yet and RAWK seem to have the same opinion of him as we would have had of, basically, every one of their managers since 1991, but I feel there's a change in the water and United need to drive this home next weekend. Only a win is acceptable....like Sheff Wed in 1993. Keep driving them on now.
If we top our CL group and are within striking distance of the top of the table by January, I'll be very happy with Moyes' results so far. I suppose you could argue that we're benefiting from the inconsistencies of our rivals but, as the cliche goes, you can only beat what's in front of you.
Evans praising Moyes's tactical nous recently. Says the players are learning a lot by working with him and that it'll take some time before the changes can be implemented properly in matches.
I reckon a lot of these problems that we whine about are things that have gotten quite deep seeded and part of the way we play. So it could take some time to beat it out of our collective system. If that is the case, you do have to wonder whether Fergie did the greatest of jobs in his last 5 years, given handing over of the team to the successor was one of the most crucial things for him.
Oh wait, the last 5 years were the Phelan years. Fergie was in charge before that.
A new manager brings new ideas. How could SAF setup the team to play a certain way to help with succession without knowing who the new manager would be and what his ideas would be?
And the pre Phelan era was Mulensteens. SAF has always been a passenger.
The football we played pre-Phelan was actually more down to Queiroz rather than Rene I'd just like to add.
In any case, Moyes is changing the whole dynamic of the football club, and this takes a lot of time:
1) Our best players have played under Fergie for a number of years, some for their whole careers (or a large part). Suddenly things are different, they have to adapt too.
2) Historically Ferguson wasn't involved in training. Ferguson observed, and then was part of a foundation to discuss selections and tactics with his coaches. Moyes is COMPLETELY different. Moyes is much more hands on in this aspect, so things will change big time, from the way the manager operates and in turn the way the coaches around him operate. The players also have to get used to this too.
3) Moyes is learning. Give him time. If you move job to a different company in the same field, there is still lots of things to learn. People to meet. Systems to get your head around. Different reporting. Different techniques. Different environment. Just because you did the same thing somewhere else doesn't mean you perform to your peak instantly.
I also agree that a lot of the issues we complain about, such as crossing too much and focusing down the wings with a very direct play, ARE long term traits built into our players. That is also how Fergie played. Quick counter attacks, with a lot of focus on stretching the game, creating the space on the wings.
Incorrect. Phelan was always in charge, Fergie was only the puppet.
He looks excited with the point.
He's a negative manager, get used to it.
It's hard to find positives in today.
Inherently defensive, results are showing it.
fecked up subs today, Kagawa should have been off long time ago, he needed 85 minutes to realise he is invisible.
Top 4 seems a hard fight.
I thought with better players he would slip out of his drawing mentality.
I thought he messed up with the Hernandez sub. We were easily the better team and with 70% possession at the time we had a chance to get a goal but he basically went into a flat 4-4-2 leaving the midfield wide open, he should have brought Nani on for Welbeck and kept the same system.
I think a point at WHL is a very good one if you are complimenting it by beating the bottom 13. When you drop points against Cardiff then the result looks worse than it actually is.
He took an age taking Wellbeck off...
Don't know what to say really. I have a feeling weekends like these will be occuring quite a bit - so best just get used to it.
I dont want to criticise him but he really needs to be more proactive. Doesnt want to take risks.
His negative approach to games is killing us right now.
Too cautious today. A point at Spurs isn't a bad result in itself, but looking at our current position it's becoming slightly desperate. 9 points behind Arsenal now. If we're not significantly closer to the top within a month we're playing for CL places at best.
Yeh, he's not going anywhere any time soon, so we'll just have to suck it up. Maybe he'll improve over the next few years, maybe he won't, but in the meantime there will be a heck of a lot more weekends like this.
Changed the team to put Welbeck in, who hasn't started in two months.
Why not go with same attack that scored 5? Just don't get that.
Why not go with same attack that scored 5? Just don't get that.
All the hard work beating the Arse has now gone down the drain.
Too negative today.
If he was trying to kill the game, surely he would have put on another c midfielder, not replaced like with like?
When he gets the players he wants in I'm sure we'll be fine. He is stuck with a bang average bunch of midfielders. We have to get behind him, there's not point in complaining.
He is too negative and not good enough. Just like Berbatov so many hoped beyond hope he would coe goo but he never and stayed too long for the good of his game and the club due to Fergie stubbornness and once again so many are now starting to find excuses for Moyes - blaming the squad and the players.
First it was a hard start, then it was settling in, then when we had a run of easier games nothing changed. Moyes isn't good enough - but United will persist at great expense.
First it was a hard start, then it was settling in, then when we had a run of easier games nothing changed. Moyes isn't good enough - but United will persist at great expense.
His team selection was odd today. Nani should have started, not sure why he played Welbeck, as for Cleverley, he should be nowhere near the first 11.
He still seems a bit confused with this rotation policy, and is struggling to find his best formations for his best players, if that makes sense. We need to get back to an attacking style, it doesn't matter who we play.
Usually a point at WHL would be a good result, however we really needed the win today, that's what happens when you don't take all the points against the so called smaller teams.
He still seems a bit confused with this rotation policy, and is struggling to find his best formations for his best players, if that makes sense. We need to get back to an attacking style, it doesn't matter who we play.
Usually a point at WHL would be a good result, however we really needed the win today, that's what happens when you don't take all the points against the so called smaller teams.
Too negative yet again. I defended him a lot, thought we turned the corner after Arsenal, but he has just been gutless so far in his Manchester United career. We're 8th in the table and 9 points behind Arsenal, despite beating them. That's how crap we are.
His substitutions and line-ups are infuriating, and the mentality he instils into our players is just negative.
His substitutions and line-ups are infuriating, and the mentality he instils into our players is just negative.
Well the one guy he paid 27m for cant even break into this pack of average midfielders, considering Carrick is out and we are playing a CB ahead of him shows how fecking shit Fellaini must be performing in both training and PL games for us. 27m...fecking hell.
He's a negative coach but we still ship goals.
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