props for your username dude - not many will get the reference but I do cos I'm cool AF
I could say the same to you, I love everything by Moz and Marr
Mourinho tells Paul Pogba he'll never captain Manchester United again
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I could say the same to you, I love everything by Moz and Marr
By then, can she take the strain, capt'n Dwazza?
Pogba is still a young player. Telling him that he will never be captain after visibly leading France to World Cup glory is weird but I guess it's another way of Mourinho motivating players to hate him more.
If player is smart he'll accept the challenge and prove the old geezer's wrong.
If player is smart he'll accept the challenge and prove the old geezer's wrong.
It honestly reminds me of Moyes' era, like almost all of other club's fans are laughing at us week in week out
I think that it's quite possible that misunderstandings have occurred to get them to this point. But, I'd like to know what caused that initial disquiet. They obviously had mutual respect and appreciation up until January 2018, what happened?
I'm so disappointed in both of these men. They are obviously talented in their own right but it appears that their relationship has broken and that they cannot work together. Good luck to the board in making the best decision for the club.
I'm so disappointed in both of these men. They are obviously talented in their own right but it appears that their relationship has broken and that they cannot work together. Good luck to the board in making the best decision for the club.
Cause you think Mourinho and Sir Alex are not winners? And for the players, what's the excuse for them when they miss a chance? Oh we just gonna create another one? But you're not good enough to create chances, so don't miss them.
I'll just stop there, the team has lost its spirit and putting everything on the manager and nothing on the people on the ground, the players, is irresponsible. There is no magic in success, changing the manager won't solve all the players you mentioned not playing well.
It all went downhill in that Spurs game at Wembley. Since then they both had such poisonous relationship even when they tried to hide it. We're at the breaking point currently.
Mourinho is ultimately the human equivalent of a disease. You can ignore the symptoms for a while, and he can hide it for a bit during the honeymoon period. Then eventually everyone figures out how detestable he is, and he tips you over the edge.
Why bother making the comment if you are not going to say why it's a bad post?
Just wanted to let you know
Thats ott. And you didn't answer that question. Your hate of Mourinho is clouding your judgment. Pogba is not blameless in all of this.
I think it all started when he was dropped the 1st time. Wasn't it then that he was apparently offered to City?
I think Jose really did try to support Pogba for about a year or so, hoping that he could smooth the rough edges of his game and turn him into a more disciplined player but it didn't work. Anyone remember Jose saying how Pogba was man of the match against Chelsea when we lost to them in the FA cup in Jose's first season (a game where everyone else said Kante had had Pogba in his pocket). I can recall lots of times where Jose has stood by him over criticisms made by Souness and Scholes and it even seemed as if he was holding out an olive branch at the beginning of this season. Maybe Pogba still holds a grudge over that Spurs game last season but I think it's more likely that they're just two very different people and they can't put aside their egos to work together.
So, you hate him and it's all his fault?
Neither Pogba or Mourinho comes away from this smelling of roses. Worst, the board looks impotent and incompetent.
SAF is something completely different, just cause Mourinho has won a few things doesn't suddenly make him comparable to the great man.
You think players at other clubs don't miss chances at all? Just watch City and Liverpool, look at how many chances the likes of Aguero, Salah and Sterling miss, their misses don't get magnified because their managers have trained them to keep creating chance after chance that they eventually score. This is what we are not doing, we create about one clear cut chance per game against a fecking championship team.
Insulting another member
You are a moron. Just wanted to let you know.
Mourinho is a magician. I have no idea how he does it really.
Someone responsible if there is any has to fecking stop this circus. And tell both whether to act like professionals or to feck the feck off. This is Manchester United ffs. Let your issues aside and focus on your god damn job. My God.
I get the feeling we lost Jose the moment the transfer window closed and we didn’t buy anyone else outside of Fred, Dalot and Grant. He probably checked out mentally when they realised he wasn’t getting the transfers he wanted despite the board proclaiming they make a boatload of money on a regular basis and that they could afford them.
I just hope the board are following through with this rumoured notion they’re going to follow the continental model of a first team head coach with football directors and technical directors above them. It kinda seems like a shitty thing to do to Jose and an ill timed plan though. Probably should have just parted ways with Jose in May/June and not mess around with only getting part of what he wants.
I’m placing a large portion of the blame for the state we’re in on the board to be honest. They don’t seem to know whether they’re coming or going football wise since Woodward took the reins.
I just hope the board are following through with this rumoured notion they’re going to follow the continental model of a first team head coach with football directors and technical directors above them. It kinda seems like a shitty thing to do to Jose and an ill timed plan though. Probably should have just parted ways with Jose in May/June and not mess around with only getting part of what he wants.
I’m placing a large portion of the blame for the state we’re in on the board to be honest. They don’t seem to know whether they’re coming or going football wise since Woodward took the reins.
Pogba is a part of what solution?
Whatever is going on, Woodward needs to knock their heads together and inform the whole squad that this nonsense has to stop. Drop the egos and act professionally. It has to be nipped in the bud now. Time to enforce some discipline and laying down the law. We can't have this carry on from very highly paid people who are meant to be adults.
Precisely what I'm thinking. They're both paid millions a year to do their job and live a life of relative luxury, but instead act like a pair of little bitches. He said she said etc.
In any other profession both would be severely reprimanded and told to buck up or do one.
You can be sure that Ed will continue to be responsible for making football decisions and that he won't hire a DoF.
So what makes Mane, Salah, Firmino, Milner perform? Wow just typing those names out against those you mentioned is funny. Yes, definitely the players I can see it now. How dare I expect better from Alexis Sanchez. I mean he’s arguably the best player in the league with Hazard when trying.
Yes. One or both might go. Probably Mourinho because, he isn't winning and we are not* playing well and that's ultimately on the manager's head. I'm aware of all the possible reasons for the way things are but I'd say that he is more vulnerable than Pogba.
Their egos seem too big to share Carrighton and Old Trafford. I thought that Mourinho at the start of the season (suprisingly!) was backing down and trying to bring ceasefire but it seems that for Pogba it was a little too late. The board must act swiftly instead of allowing things fester. We don't want to be out of everything by December.
It's looking like things can't be fixed at this stage. So, it just for the board to decide who's worth more in the long run.
I keep bringing the board in because they obviously can't or won't fix their issues. So, Woodward and co will have to.
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I don't expect less from Sanchez but the reality is that our players miss chances and it penalizes us. One of the consequences of that is that the opposition teams are no more afraid to attack us because even if they make a defensive mistake, we cannot exploit it properly. Any mistake done by the opposition should be paid by a goal, that's the only way to ensure they think twice before attacking us.
But yeah you're right, it's because the players are great but the manager is telling them to miss chances. Why did I not think about that before? Thank you for opening my eyes.
Interesting theory:
“After he put it on Snapchat boss”
So much drama. 
Manchester City United. Jose and Pep together. Now that would be lit.
Then we could go ahead and start a reality show about all this.
Shame we don't have a player who could stand up to both of those pricks and tell them they've turned the club into a circus.
Yes it's just a circus, the current situation will keep the media in stories for some time yet.So much drama.
OH what a load of hogwash. As if the captaincy at UTD stands for anything these days with Valencia as our captain and then Young and Smalling or whoever is closest to have it passed onto. Jose doesn't put any value to who is captain, his own words. He believes he is the most important figure at UTD and doesn't want no competition that is why Valencia is captain to insure his captain won't beasked to do interviews to the press.
Sorry that is just wrong.
The manager should be a leader. He should lead his troops into battle. If half the team think he's a twat then he's never going to be able to do that with any sort of authority.
Although the analogy isn't great we must all have had bosses at work who we thought were leading us in the wrong direction. Be honest, were you giving 100% in your role to that person? No you weren't because you disagreed with the direction from the top.
This is a classic case of people not trusting the boss and if that happens, its rarely the fault of the people on the ground. Its the boss' shitty direction/leadership.
Solution - get a new boss asap.
There are numerous occasions in the football arena where players previously stifled by a shit manager go on to do great things. Only have to look at Conte at Chelsea for confirmation of that fact. We don't have shit players. We have a shit manager. End Of. We need to get rid now.
Probably not my place to speak as a rival fan but seriously! You really believe this ?! I have hated both for all my footballing life but it is a travesty to compare them with regards to understanding what Manchester United stands for!
Pally's analogy comes to mind. Look players aren't the brightest people on earth and what Pogba said is consistent to what we say on redcafe. Ruining a player's ambition of captaining United forever based on one comment is not only OTT but childish and counterproductive.
a- we hardly have the squad to start kicking top quality players out.
b- there's nothing to stop Pogba from asking for a transfer or worse still start/join a coup d'etat against the manager. Mou from all people knows that United can't hardly afford the former without sounding like quitting up winning the title for good and certainly he won't survive the latter.
If you ask me Mou is not special anymore. He is still a great manager but his tactics don't dazzle opponents as they once did. Which means its time for him to reinvent himself, improve on his man management and let others from players to coaching to cover up his weaknesses. Even SAF had to change through time and he did so by mellowing and let guys like Rene and Queroz taking certain tactical aspects of the game. Turning top players against him is madness, as he's reliant on them bleeding on the pitch to make him win. If Mou is sacked after losing the dressing room again then he really risks to be considered in football as the more expensive version of Roy Keane ie a man who keep saying stuff to sound tough while other giggle at his back.
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Heard on the radio that Pogba and Mourinho had a spat in training, has anyone got a link to anything about it?
Search back a few pages - its there. Its pretty damning for Mourinho.