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Lukaku - 33
Rashford - 18
Martial - 8
Pogba - 16
Mata - 8
Mkhitaryan - 15
Lukaku - 33
Rashford - 18
Martial - 8
Pogba - 16
Mata - 8
Mkhitaryan - 15
Mourinho not happy with transfer window - Exclusive interview with Ogden
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With better finishing, Pogba hits 15 goals and assists last season. He's unquestionably capable.
Lukaku 26
Rashford 12
Pogba 6
Martial 6
Mikhi 12
Mata 10
Rashford 12
Pogba 6
Martial 6
Mikhi 12
Mata 10
Lukaku 28
Rashford 13
Pogba 12
Martial 12
Mikhi 9
Mata 7
Rashford 13
Pogba 12
Martial 12
Mikhi 9
Mata 7
Both are very unlikely to obtain, and that seems to be the issue. We seem to be stuck with some targets were we dont progress, i.e. Matic, Dier or Perisic. I dont doubt that there are not people trying to make something happen but we should have done more by now and if we see there is no willingness to sell, move on
Given how our main title challengers (if we're one that is) are getting business done early and are not mucking around - then you could say my left bum cheek has started to get twitches! CIty are addressing their defensive issues, Chelsea enforcing their already strong defence and bought in one of our main targets etc.
We lost our main striker and replaced him with Rom - great business too imo. But we still needed a 3rd striker so still short there. Like Lindelof and don't buy all this "he's crap" stuff. He'll come good. But am not liking how quickly others are getting business done for sure.
If Jul ended without at least a third signing before super cup, it's completely and really unacceptable from Ed from every aspects.
So it's best we sign just anyone rather than get the right deal for the right player. Because of the super cup.
I don't know where this sudden idea that all signings must be wrapped up before Early July and now August come from. The transfer window has always gone right through August and we've probably signed the majority of our players in that period.
No, we should wait till late Aug to save extra 10m then spend the first 2 months of the season trying to figure out how to use these new players we get before the market just closed, all because those 10 or 20m will really damage the club, yes, and we may even not succeed at getting them for cheaper price at the end and we end up just waiting in vain.
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17-18 prediction / 16-17 stats
Lukaku - 24 / 25
Rashford - 12 / 5
Martial - 9 / 4
Mikhi - 6 / 4
Mata - 4 / 6
Pogba - 8 / 5
Zlatan - ? / 17
Rooney - X / 6
That adds up to 63. I think we'll be challenging for the title, but come short. I see us mostly grind out results like 2:1 and 1:0, but collect more points at home than last season.
Unless we trash some low opposition with 4-5 goals, I doubt we'll score much more than what I predicted from those 6 guys.
If defensive players and the likes of Fellaini, Herrera, Lingard chip in with a goal or two per person, the total should add to 75 the most, which I don't believe would be enough.
17-18 prediction / 16-17 stats
Lukaku - 24 / 25
Rashford - 12 / 5
Martial - 9 / 4
Mikhi - 6 / 4
Mata - 4 / 6
Pogba - 8 / 5
Zlatan - ? / 17
Rooney - X / 6
That adds up to 63. I think we'll be challenging for the title, but come short. I see us mostly grind out results like 2:1 and 1:0, but collect more points at home than last season.
Unless we trash some low opposition with 4-5 goals, I doubt we'll score much more than what I predicted from those 6 guys.
If defensive players and the likes of Fellaini, Herrera, Lingard chip in with a goal or two per person, the total should add to 75 the most, which I don't believe would be enough.
And Mila Kunis to go home to I presume?
Fellaini is good for more than a goal or two, I reckon he should get four or five for the season - Lingard too. (Assuming they play a reasonable amount of games, of course, which I expect them to.)
Put the crack pipe down.
We will sign third for sure. Whether it's a #6 or a winger. Any of those two positions would improve us. If a #6, that would give Pogba more freedom whenever we play 3 in the middle or a winger that would give more attacking options.
I can't come to decision, which position is more vital for the squad - may be a winger, as attack was our weak unit and we have to insure ourselves against dropping points at home vs the likes of Bournemouth, Swansea, Burnley, Stoke and whoever else frustrated us last season.
We haven't been linked with anyone new, but I am sure Woody is working on multiple targets. I read an article on GivemeSport an out Lukaku's situation - he received one offer from Chelsea and four from us - our insistence is what swayed his head. So if we made 4 approaches and media had no clue, while trumpeting the Morata situation, we could find a similar situation - everyone talking of Perisic and someone else comes in out of the dark.
Fellaini and Lingard scored only a goal each in the league. I hope they at least double up on that tally.
Let's say:
Lingard - 3 (although he's been very bright during pre-season and I expect him to start more games and be more potent in our attack)
Fellaini - 2
Herrera - 2
Lindelof - 1
Smalling - 1
Valencia - 1
That's 10 goals on top of the 63 I mentioned earlier = 73. If we get a winger to chip in with 5 more goals, then we could well be challenging for the title.
Does anyone know the number of goals scored by the Top 4 over the last few years so it gives people an idea the total goals needed in the PL? I know the defence counts as well, but we should be tonking some sides just to get that fear factor back. If you just score one goal the other side always think they have a chance.
I think theyll do markedly better than they did last year. I dont think last year was "normal", it was a really low scoring season where the team as a whole struggled to score goals. Pretty much everyone will do better. Of course that may be merely wishful thinking on my part but I am pretty confident in making that prediction. Fellaini in particular has shown he has goals in his locker. Same with Martial, Miki etc.
Need to up their games ref end product, big time.
I think 75-90 is the benchmark. "Free scoring" Liverpool had 78 last season. Chelsea and Tottenham 85 and 86. Mourinho's Real had a season where they scored over a 100 and they were highly praised.
But yeah, our inability to kill games is what cost us last season - Stoke, Everton, Arsenal from the top of my head.
I think Mikhi will. I have a gut feeling.
But Martial? Thinking of him delivering runs like the one in the Real game seems so surreal - like a pipe dream.
Nothing wrong in trying to strike the best deal for the club. Unlike City, United don't have Oil rich owners who are willing to inject mad money from their own accounts. We are run as a buisness and everything we spend comes from the clubs accounts. We have a massive debt too incase you don't know.
Chelsea - Won 30 - Scored 85 - Points 93
Spurs - Won 26 - Scored 86 - Points 86
City - Won 23 - Scored 80 - Points 78
Liverpool - Won 22 - Scored 78 - Points 76
United - Won 18 - Scored 54 - Points 69
Leicester - Won 23 - Scored 68 - Points 81
Arsenal - Won 20 - Scored 65 - Points 71
Spurs - Won 19 - Scored 69 - Points 70
City - Won 19 - Scored 71 - Points 66
United - Won 19 - Scored 49 - Points 66
Chelsea - Won 26 - Scored 73 - Points 87
City - Won 24 - Scored 83 - Points 79
Arsenal - Won 22 - Scored 71 - Points 75
United - Won 20 - Scored 62 - Points 70
City - Won 27 - Scored 102 - Points 86
Liverpool - Won 26 - Scored 101 - Points 84
Chelsea - Won 25 - Scored 71 - Points 82
Arsenal - Won 24 - Scored 68 - Points 79
United - Won 19 - Scored 64 - Points 64
We're not talking about signing new 4 players each one is 50m. We're only talking about 2 more players whom we don't want to pay extra 5 or 10 m only, thus you're making a problem for us out of nothing, sorry.
So unless we get another year like that, we need at least 20 more goals. Ignore Lukaku's goals as his are counted in the amount as a replacement for Zlatan. We need 20 more on top of what the others players in our team scored.
If we get another year like last year we need 30 more goals, because you would imagine Chelsea/City/Liverpool will score for fun again, as will Spurs. Don't even want to think about someone scoring over 100 goals. That is why I actually wanted two strikers because I cannot see that sort of production, even if we become a bit more clinical.
Thanks for finding the information out.
Firstly, we don't know if it's just 10m. Secondly, even if it was, 10m for 2 players is 20m which is a hefty sum even for us. Our annual net profit is usually less than that.
Alright, I'll go on with your logic. Now give one reason waiting till mid/late Aug will lead to us not spending these extra 20m.
Juve is interested in Matic and can pay for him easily, Spurs and Inter aren't willing to sell Dier and Perisic and they'll be really happy if we don't buy the price and these players stayed.
If you don't realize, we're the weak side in all the players we're linked to.
It's been a poor window so far and everything seems to have gone quiet. The squad hasn't been improved, we lost Zlatan and got Lukaku while adding a defender who will need time to settle. We're almost in exactly the same state as last season.
As far as I know Juve have dropped interest because they thought £35m was too much for a DM that will turn 29 in a month. We're reportedly being quoted £50m for him which is a world record fee for a DM and absurd at the same time. There are are a multitude of DMs on the market, we can easily look else where.
Lukaku - 22
Rashford - 12
Martial - 8
Pogba - 6
Mata - 9
Mkhitaryan - 7
Rashford - 12
Martial - 8
Pogba - 6
Mata - 9
Mkhitaryan - 7
Probably worse as we have a defender who needs to settle and Rojo and Shaw are out. We will get the usual injuries at the back. I hope there is something going on in the background.
So we need 21 goals from elsewhere to just compete with the goals of Chelsea last season. That's not counting City/Spurs and Liverpool. Just cannot see their goal scoring reducing. At that rate Lukaku needs a Ronaldo season.
It has all gone awfully quiet on transfers for United, I'm starting to believe Jose's comments that we'd be lucky to get one more player in. We have been really lack lustre in this window and whilst Chelsea won the league they have brought 3 players in and apparently want 4 more.
We need to show far more intent to improve out squad because we will simply get over run by the likes of Chelsea and City. Our first XI is decent, our squad is actually below par, really do not want to see us playing like an underdog against the top teams, with the likes of fellaini, young and lingard starting which is not at all unrealistic at this point.
We need to show far more intent to improve out squad because we will simply get over run by the likes of Chelsea and City. Our first XI is decent, our squad is actually below par, really do not want to see us playing like an underdog against the top teams, with the likes of fellaini, young and lingard starting which is not at all unrealistic at this point.
I think those are realistic projections, obviously I'm hoping to be proven wrong but can't help but feel we will be well short.
I don't see either Rashford or Martial hitting the numbers some seem to think they will from the left wing which is where I presume they will play. 15 goals combined for the pair of them and that's assuming they are regulars.
What we really need to is for mkhi and Mata to step up. Unlike the Martial and Rashford, they are 2 experienced players in their prime. Both should be hitting 10 goals each if they're regulars in the team. Same for Pogba.
What we really need to is for mkhi and Mata to step up. Unlike the Martial and Rashford, they are 2 experienced players in their prime. Both should be hitting 10 goals each if they're regulars in the team. Same for Pogba.
The problem there is that I cannot see Mkhi and Mata both playing. I think it will be one or the other. I could see Lingard playing more on that right side for his pace.
Of course they do. But its in them to do it. They might not do it, if they dont, we probably wont challenge for the league, let alone win it. But they have the quality to do it and if they do we have every chance.
People keep saying we need to go shopping because "there are no guarantees" the likes of Martial and Miki are going to step up. Id say our experiences in the transfer market in recent years, with the likes of Miki show there are no guarantees there either. I mean its an obvious point in a way but the lack of guarantees in any circumstances is what makes football interesting.
Im repeating myself but i hope we do sign a midfielder, I hope we sign a winger as well, but I have faith in the players we already have, I am not using last season as a benchmark for anything other than a way to measure our improvement, I am not expecting Miki to get the same number of goals he did last season, or Martial or Rashford or even Fellaini, because I think all of them are capable of scoring a lot more and I think they will score a lot more. They are good players (some more than others), that's why we signed them. Last year was underwhelming, not a true indication of what this lot can do. Theyve been together another year, they know what Mourinho is about now, theyve had a pre season unlike last year, I think we are going to look much better. So will others of course, and we definitely arent going to run away with it, but we are going to score more goals and we are going to turn a lot of those draws into wins.
Premier League goals 2017/18
Lukaku - 27
Rashford - 6
Martial - 13
Pogba - 8
Mata - 4
Mikhitatyan - 11
Ibrahimovic - 7
Lukaku - 27
Rashford - 6
Martial - 13
Pogba - 8
Mata - 4
Mikhitatyan - 11
Ibrahimovic - 7
Watching City splash the cash is making me feel like whatever Glaston was talking about with that 'DADDY I WANT I WANT' post. What is making it so difficult with us please. And to think all we have as wingbacks is Darmian, Blind,Shaw and Valencia I'm very shocked at how casual we are this summer. Teams that finished above us are strengthening more than us ffs
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