Mourinho at full time: "Pogba a virus. You don't play. You don't respect players/fans" [Castles]
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A lot of the Pogba criticism IS rooted in racism. We've seen it with Depay, Martial, Alli, Raheem Sterling as well. The "flashy" black players get a ton of unwarranted criticism from fans and the press. It's not a secret, it's not imaginary. The only black players that seem to avoid this criticism are the ones who are quieter or reserved like Rashford.
It’s almost as if Jose is still on Abramovichs payroll and all this is some kind of corporate espionage
You a flat earther too?
Mentioned this a while back and unsurprisingly had a number of posters jump down my throat. Black players are always tarred with the 'bad attitude' brush, Leroy Sane is another example. Obviously not all criticism of these players is deep rooted in racism but it definitely plays a part. The disdain in some of the posts towards a certain demographic of players on here really shows some posters up.
Maybe it's the lizard people.
Castles is well known to be close to Mourinho and Mendes, there's some pretty damning Castles articles on Pogba lately that portraits him as a player that doesn't really understand football at all, and that he thinks he's far better than he actually is, with Castles referring to sources within the club, there are also articles with reference to Pogba over the summer period, not to mention his criticism of Raiola.
It seems extremely far fetched that Pogba and Raiola will then use him as a concealed way of maybe having someone on an internet forum have a go at Jose, while all the media outlets and public in general is tearing into Pogba.
Thank you.
It is an issue I've noticed on this forum. "Wannabe rapper" gets thrown about with a lot of black players who are labelled as flashy, lazy, easily distracted, unprofessional etc.
It's just deep-rooted in certain folk.
Mods don't seem to care, though.
And just as many are slagging off Pogba. And PP wouldnt even need to leak it to the press, Jose is always bitching in every conference about someone, its just Pogbas turn this week.
So shit result, following on from being adrift in the league, with negative goal difference, but half our fans are still arguing about Pogba and who leaked what rather than focusing on the clown who is supposed to be coaching the team.
Completely agree - it's obvious really.
But disagree that Mods don't care / aren't progressive on here - they can't ban people for making sideways comments about Sterling / Depay / Pogba etc, but most, if not all the Mods on here make informed intelligent posts on these type of issues in the CE forum etc.
Why not? What better way to convince everyone that Jose leaked it than by using "his man" to do it? It certainly makes more sense than jose leaking that he is once again having a go at players in public, when hes been trying so hard to change that. Maybe he did, maybe he didnt. I dont know, but I dont know raiola didnt either and to me it makes sense that he would since he already tried to get pogba out of united by talking a lot of shit. My not point isnt that its not Jose, its that it could be anyone.
The fact that we've had three managers in a row that have played the same overly defensive dross suggests to me that there are other factors at play. Which is not to say they were good managers but that were appointed for a reason and with an agenda.
If you are the Glazers, you want:
1. Names that will sell shirts - Zlatan, Pogba, Sanchez
2. Top 4 and Europe
3. Buy young and sell at a profit
What you really don't want:
4. Expensive transfer fees on old players with no resale value
5. Losing games
6. A long period of structured rebuilding from the ground up
Nice to have but don't want if it interferes with the above:
7. Attractive football
8. Football rather than commercial priorities put first.
Put all that together as a manager's instructions sheet and it doesn't matter who you have running the club, the result is the same. Of course the Glazers will appoint people who agree to that agenda. So yes, Jose isn't what you'd want. But he was appointed for a reason and the next person will have the same sh#tty list to follow.
It is interesting that the only calls of Pogba being unprofessional/having a poor attitude have come while working under Mourinho/from the man himself....
Meanwhile all the other managers and teammates he worked with have always praised him for his attitude and professionality. Something Mourinho himself was doing just a year ago, too...
Meanwhile all the other managers and teammates he worked with have always praised him for his attitude and professionality. Something Mourinho himself was doing just a year ago, too...
Yeah and the worst thing is that you can't even attempt to discuss or enlighten people about the issue as you'll just get a load of hysteric replies about 'the race card'. It's frustrating as the issue can never be eradicated if you can't even have a discussion on the topic.
What a tool you are. They get criticised beacuse they are flashy, not because they are black. Sick of the racism card getting thrown about whenever a black player is criticised.
It runs through football, unfortunately. Whether it's Sol Campbell having to work ten times harder than Joey Barton for a manager's job, or Lukaku being endlessly called lazy by the BT Sport commentators, it's always bubbling under the surface. People just don't like to acknowledge it is all.
That said, Pogba was atrocious on Saturday. Who can say why.
But the "race card" was pulled. Everyone else is talking about his performance and his attitude, and the newb pulled the race card out of nowhere.
Maybe Im being thick, please. Educate me as to the "sideways" racism in this post?
Cue Ali G "Is it cause I am Black "
You don't see Ramos get slated for being 'flashy' though, or Beckham, or Ronaldo...
All of which are FAR more 'Flashy' than Sterling for example.
People expect Pogba to walk on water and move mountains. He is clearly our best outfield player but, the knives are back out again after a performance where the whole side struggled.
Yeah I think people here pretty much attack everyone. The reason is we are doing terrible and people are frustraded. This turn mainly against Mourinho and against the majority of players.
I guess the only safe one might be De Gea and even him hasn't been great this season.
None of that fits. All these managers have one thing in common, experience, these managers have been appointed because they had readable CVs, it's a lot harder to appoint Favre, Sarri or Di Francesco because you have to look at tapes, understand how they work, what can make them successful and what will prevent them from being successful. You can't simply go on wikipedia and count the amount of trophies or games that they have managed in the PL or CL.
On your three point, most of United signings aren't particularly marketable and United don't sell players for a profit. The players that you mentioned were either loved by Mourinho, highly rated and on paper filled a need.
Yeah agreed and the mocking comments when Sol Campbell got a job the other day made me a bit uncomfortable, I know he talks nonsense at times but a lot of people seem to dislike him simply for having the temerity to discuss something that's a real issue in football and life in general.
? Ronaldo get the piss taken out of him all the time, just as beckham did. Ramos is constantly called a thug.
why is Jose playing a virus week in week out? surely we can turn Rojo into a DM and play him there
As much as I agree to a certain extent, it'll be exactly the same if he played for Barca or Real. Their players are under the same amount of scrutiny, if not more.
A performance like Saturday's is not acceptable for a 90m pound player, irrespective of what's going on behind closed doors.
Maybe you were too young to remember the abuse Becks got, he got a laughable amount, it was never ending. Ronaldo similarly. Ramos isn't flashy, he's a thug.
No case at all. Sterling gets criticised because he misses a boat load of easy chances he should put away. Depay because he is flashy, Alli because he is a little wannabe hardman c**t. Beckham used to get slated for being flashy, being a celebrity more focused on fashion and haircuts than football. Wilshire gets loads of stick for similar reasons to Alli, having a hardman attutude. Are they black?? Absolute joke of an argument to say its racist.
Players not wanting to / being able to play for Mourinho is a theme of all his recent job. Falling out with players whose performances drastically decline, then they recover when he leaves, at Real Madrid, with us (Chelsea) and now at Utd. Hazard went 31 games without a goal due to Mourinho...
I could've sworn Januzaj got slaughtered here for being wasteful/flashy? Ronaldo at the start before he became the great he was certainly was too. Beckham flashy? Certainly questionable fashion but I don't recall that on the pitch tbh. Sanchez gets stick for us. Look at Isco at Madrid currently, getting slaughtered by Solari. The guys are right, it's nothing to do with race, it is literally the overuse/unnecessary use of skill that people have a problem with.
A big difference between Pogba and the players you've picked out is they were all in successful teams, we aren't currently.
What I will say about Pogba is like I said in the Mourinho Explained thread, the football is so passive, so dour, that Pogba more often than not finds himself in our own half when attempting the skills and tricks. That's why he gets such stick, especially due to it causing attempts at or even goals. If we were playing expansive football getting into the attacking half, you'd see a lot less stick of Pogba because these flicks and tricks would be happening near the opponent's goal, or when we are 2 or 3 nil up.
He gets stick for being flashy at the wrong times. The trouble ATM is with Mourinho that is all the time because we rarely find ourselves leading by several goals, or even in the opposition half. If we were attacking he would himself near the other penalty area and the flicks wouldn't cause us trouble.
The problem is that Pogba himself isn't able to use his head and remember how close he is to his own goal. Mourinho can't force Pogba to use his head and realise when he should and should not be trying tricks and flashy nonsense. That part is certainly on Pogba.
A big difference between Pogba and the players you've picked out is they were all in successful teams, we aren't currently.
What I will say about Pogba is like I said in the Mourinho Explained thread, the football is so passive, so dour, that Pogba more often than not finds himself in our own half when attempting the skills and tricks. That's why he gets such stick, especially due to it causing attempts at or even goals. If we were playing expansive football getting into the attacking half, you'd see a lot less stick of Pogba because these flicks and tricks would be happening near the opponent's goal, or when we are 2 or 3 nil up.
He gets stick for being flashy at the wrong times. The trouble ATM is with Mourinho that is all the time because we rarely find ourselves leading by several goals, or even in the opposition half. If we were attacking he would himself near the other penalty area and the flicks wouldn't cause us trouble.
The problem is that Pogba himself isn't able to use his head and remember how close he is to his own goal. Mourinho can't force Pogba to use his head and realise when he should and should not be trying tricks and flashy nonsense. That part is certainly on Pogba.
I've no doubt Pogba will look much the better player under the next manager.
You've obviously missed the constant articles about where he shops, his personal life etc. If you think the levels of criticism are proportionate then fair enough but there's a number of players that get singled out imo and there's always one common denominator. And it happens in real life too, this isn't exclusive to football. These are everyday experiences.
With the amount of criticism Matic gets on here I guess he must have some black Ancestry we're unaware of? Talking absolute bollocks you clown.
It is very odd, and I'd imagine has a lot to do with Pogba's perceived personality. He has been carrying the team for most of this season, but a couple of bad (awful) performances and suddenly he's back to being a useless primadonna who doesn't care about the club.
I didn't say there was anything racist in that post?
Not going to bother engaging with you. Grow up.
You don't know what Fergie would do. He didn't sell Rooney even after he TWICE made it known that the brat asked for a transfer. I hope you don't respond with something about how more important Rooney was to the club than Pogba or anything like that, his performances were already starting to dip at that time. This is what Fergie said in October 2010 when Rooney asked for a transfer:
'Well just remember one thing, respect this club. I don't want any nonsense from you, just respect the club, be a proper professional'.
Does this sound familiar to you?
"I don't know if he has done that. I have my doubts about that because, having read all these things about him falling out with me and all that nonsense, it's disappointing because we have done everything we possibly can to help Wayne Rooney.
"Since the minute he came to the club, we've always been a harbour for him – any time he has been in trouble, the advice we have given him, we have done nothing but help him.
"I don't know how many times we have helped him in terms of his private life and other matters.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...wing-Manchester-United-a-lack-of-respect.html
Yes, he would've absolutely sold Pogba instantly!
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