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2015-16 Performances


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5.7 Season Average Rating
Appearances
38
Goals
1
Assists
1
Yellow cards
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While he's getting praise (rightfully so) for helping us put out one of our better midfield performances, is the fact that he was a big reason for the two goals conceded being ignored? His marking of welbeck was terrible, as was his pass straight to an arsenal player that left us exposed and disorganised for the second goal.

So while the overall play was much improved the mistakes ruined his overall performance and nearly cost us 2 points.
 
Had we drawn or lost people would be furious with him.

You can be Bryan Robson and Roy Keane rolled into one for 88 minutes but if you are at fault for two goals you did not do your job well no matter what position you play, never mind a defensive midfielder.

Laughable to see a consensus forming that "he was at fault for both goals but was great if you know wut I mean. Lolz."
Agree.
 
Had we drawn or lost people would be furious with him.

You can be Bryan Robson and Roy Keane rolled into one for 88 minutes but if you are at fault for two goals you did not do your job well no matter what position you play, never mind a defensive midfielder.

Laughable to see a consensus forming that "he was at fault for both goals but was great if you know wut I mean. Lolz."
Well said.
 
So we conceded two goals which were directly his fault and were lucky not to concede on other occasions as well (This against an Arsenal team who have found goals increasingly hard to come by of late) and the conclusion is somehow that he had a great game? Is this for real?

Had we drawn or lost people would be furious with him.

You can be Bryan Robson and Roy Keane rolled into one for 88 minutes but if you are at fault for two goals you did not do your job well no matter what position you play, never mind a defensive midfielder.

Laughable to see a consensus forming that "he was at fault for both goals but was great if you know wut I mean. Lolz."

I personally wouldn't say he had a great game but I think I agree with others, in that we appreciate the work he does for the team and how it's important to see those contributions for what they are separately to other factors; like as ridiculous as it sounds, the fact yes he was at fault for two goals conceded.

I'd go into more tactical stuff but to put it simply if Carrick was playing instead of Morgan, we probably wouldn't have conceded those goals but imo would have lost the game 2-1/3-1 or something. Morgan's energy levels allows the team to be more expansive (by freeing your Herreras/Matas) and with that comes risk. The first goal absolutely was his fault, the second iirc he was defending deep (edge of box) and made a poor pass/clearance straight to an Arsenal player.

Granted it was a toothless Arsenal but they were in the ascendancy and were the better team with the ball with their fluidity; we were scared and bottled a lot of clearances but at the same time Morgan was crucial in being so disciplined.

Anyways the issue here though is people's opinions on player praise/criticism.

Here's something for thought, Martial is no doubt brilliant but bar 5-10 games (all season even), on an individual level he has actually been quite dreadful. Consistently poor end product, although great defensive work, poor attacking positioning and lack of any goal threat for someone, who gets free reign on the ball.

It's not an inaccurate criticism at all and yet, we would have many in the Martial thread disproving that. It's the same with Morgan's display against Arsenal. There's too many intangibles to consider to make simplistic criticisms.
 

Great vid, thanks for the post. He is such a better player when he has a mobile player next to him to assist and counter with his pressing. Although a couple of lapses it was still a very good defensive performance. I mean if you score two goals and win 2-1 but the opposition's goal is from your error you don't just automatically have a deplorable game like people seem to be saying.

Personally, I think this isn't his natural role and he's been a little Herrera'ised in that he's been told to be more disciplined and I think he will definitely grow more as a player when Van Gaal leaves.
 
I personally wouldn't say he had a great game but I think I agree with others, in that we appreciate the work he does for the team and how it's important to see those contributions for what they are separately to other factors; like as ridiculous as it sounds, the fact yes he was at fault for two goals conceded.

I'd go into more tactical stuff but to put it simply if Carrick was playing instead of Morgan, we probably wouldn't have conceded those goals but imo would have lost the game 2-1/3-1 or something. Morgan's energy levels allows the team to be more expansive (by freeing your Herreras/Matas) and with that comes risk. The first goal absolutely was his fault, the second iirc he was defending deep (edge of box) and made a poor pass/clearance straight to an Arsenal player.

Granted it was a toothless Arsenal but they were in the ascendancy and were the better team with the ball with their fluidity; we were scared and bottled a lot of clearances but at the same time Morgan was crucial in being so disciplined.

Anyways the issue here though is people's opinions on player praise/criticism.

Here's something for thought, Martial is no doubt brilliant but bar 5-10 games (all season even), on an individual level he has actually been quite dreadful. Consistently poor end product, although great defensive work, poor attacking positioning and lack of any goal threat for someone, who gets free reign on the ball.

It's not an inaccurate criticism at all and yet, we would have many in the Martial thread disproving that. It's the same with Morgan's display against Arsenal. There's too many intangibles to consider to make simplistic criticisms.
I know your trying to make a point about Schniderlin and I agree he had a good game but this is actually nonsense.
It's the wrong thread so I won't go into detail but having watched every game this year, Martial is consistently the only player that carries any sort of threat, he always has 1-2 moments of brilliance a game even at our worse and if it wasn't for some of the other players around him being so poor early in the season he would have doubled his assists and goals this year.
Honestly I think schneiderlin this season has been poor and very disappointing for the player we bought, that being said in a similar way to Memphis the last two games have been the best in a Utd shirt for me as more important that his tackiling, he's finally found his abilty to move with the ball and pass to Utd players in forward positions.
 
Man Utd 1:0 Watford
Been class this first half.
 
He's ball for Martial was great, and he's been otherwise neat and tidy. Weird game to complain about it imo.

Neat and tidy for you but for me he is one of the culprits of us being pressed so much. Most of the time he got the ball, he made the easiest and least progressive pass. We cant get out of being pressed if we keep making non progressive passes. Not saying Herrera is doing any different mind you.
 
Our best player so far this half, he just seems to win an insane amount of ball.
 
his movement off the ball when we are in possession is beyond pathetic, he just cant play in a possession based team.....
 
Our best player along with Mata tonight.
 
All over the midfield tonight and helped out the CB situation with Blind going AWOL. Got us on the front foot more than once.
 
Motm for me, the sheer amount of ball he overturns is phenomenonal.
 
Very good game, he seems to play well every time he starts with Herrera.
 
MOTM for me. Brilliant performance. At last playing like the Southampton version.

Delighted.
 
Really, really great. Cleared two or three early balls from set pieces to lay down a marker from his mistake in the Arsenal game. Won so many balls, and was decent in building up play as well.
 
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