Terrible 2nd half from him
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He was very sloppy in the second half. I haven't really been impressed with his input for us so far, he has just been decent and nothing more.
His passing in the first 30 minutes was good but he was as poor as I've seen him in 2 years defensively and started to make more mistakes as the game went on.
Unfortunately he had a bit of a 'mare, particularly late in the second-half. He started decently and looked a lot better alongside Bastian. Really needed it to be Carrick who was next to him late in the game rather than Fellaini/Rooney. I think he'll bounce back alright though and this was just a one off.
Must have had about twenty failed tackle attempts in that game. In truth he's disappointed me a little since joining, he's another one of these players who appears to have joined the big club and been overawed by it.
The reason he suddenly got worse is because he was forced to play like a proper midfielder when Schweinsteiger went off, and he failed. Schweinsteiger still plays like a proper midfielder even when he's playing poorly. Schneiderlin struggles to even when he's playing well.
He looked like he was carrying an injury.
I was genuinely shocked by just how bad he became when Schweinsteiger came off. I've criticised him off this season for deferring to/hiding from either Carrick or Schweinsteiger too much, but I didn't envisage it would be THAT bad without them.
I was already pretty annoyed by just how laboured he was on the ball in the first half (and the fact that at times he was hitting some very nice long passes just infuriated me more - because he's capable/has the skill to do it... he just either a) doesn't have the confidence to do it regularly and b) takes an absolute age to decide where he's going to pass the ball)... The second half took it to new levels though.
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what a nonsense, sweinsteigger was the worst player on the pitch in the first half and should have been subbed off after half time..Schneiderlin ws on the other hnd our best player with lingard, exellent positionally, missed timed just one tackle but was literlly everywhere.. something went wrong when fellaini nd rooney when to midfield nd tried to interchange places, its not only schneiderlins fult how we plyed but his second hlf performnce was going from bad to worse while as I said belonged to our best players in the first half but people like you have short memories or lack footbll knowledge to judge players objectively not based on one half of game but again its you
I wonder if a less risk-averse or more Bielsa/Guardiola type manager would have taken Smalling off, played Schneiderlin at CB and given us better passing from deep to better pick apart and pin back PSV.
As for his performance, he started very well then got worse over the course of the game. Still, promising stuff. Looks better than he did most of October and I'm mostly over the fears I was starting to develop that he might just not be good enough on the ball to be a starter here.
As for his performance, he started very well then got worse over the course of the game. Still, promising stuff. Looks better than he did most of October and I'm mostly over the fears I was starting to develop that he might just not be good enough on the ball to be a starter here.
His performance suddenly dropped, not sure what really happened there
Schneiderlin was absolutely knackered, if anything, we should have moved Blind further and subbed Darmian off way earlier.
He was terrible in both halves. It became more noticable when Van Gaal decided it would be a good idea to replace Schweinsteiger with Fellaini...a top midfielder playing well would struggle with Fellaini as a midfield partner in a CL game. Schneiderlin was struggling to play simple passes even vaguely near their intended target and arriving about 3 seconds late to every loose ball.
To be honest he was so bad the blame actually lies 90% with the manager for not doing anything at all about it...and then 100% with the manager for making a change that would very obviously make the problem a lot worse.
To be honest he was so bad the blame actually lies 90% with the manager for not doing anything at all about it...and then 100% with the manager for making a change that would very obviously make the problem a lot worse.
Shocking 2nd half last night. Didn't look on it at all and repeatedly looked flat footed and unsure of what he was at.
Yeah, his second half performance was undoubtedly a lot worse than his first half one, but I didn't think he did all that much in the opening stages of the game either, which he seemed to be getting a bit of praise for. Even if anyone would struggle beside Fellaini though, I'd have still expected some more creative passing from Schneiderlin who only looked remotely comfortable when making simple passes back to Smalling or Blind.
Yeah. He had a terrible game. Looks like half the player he was at Southampton (hmmm... i wonder if he told a journalist something similar?)
If he did, he probably mulled over it for ages... weighed up all the options available, thought about not saying anything... but then eventually, when he decided he'd tell the journalist, give him a really watered down version of what he thinks.
Even in the first half I thought he looked noticably off the pace...he definitely got worse but his passing was really bad all night and he kept selling himself in the middle. He's had some decent games and some terrible ones so far. Last night was the first time he just looked plainly out of his depth.
I'd have thought he was one of the few players who LVG's methods would suit, but it is probably hard for any player when the team as a whole isn't comfortable with what it is being asked to do.
It's the same this season as last, if you go through our squad, the number of players LVG seems to hinder vastly outweighs the number who seem to benefit...which is particularly annoying since he bought about two thirds of them.
Heh. I hear you. Makes me sad though. He was nothing like this under that other Dutch manager
He's been bang average so far in his United career despite the best attempts to either make out like he's been very good or deflect attention by blaming either Carrick or Schweinstiger or our attack for him being shit defensively and getting caught out of position. Very very disappointing so far given how hyped up he was.
feck knows how we're 2nd in the table with 90% of our team being either bang average or outright dogshite.
feck knows how we're 2nd in the table with 90% of our team being either bang average or outright dogshite.
Another very weak PL season but you're giving United too little credit. Points still should be grinded out and United has been effective in that so far in the PL.
You're spot on. I remember you were critical of him after the Watford game but got laid into on here.
He's not overly keen to request the ball and spends too much time in line with our centrebacks for no apparent reason, which means one less option to pass forwards for them. Theres no incision to his passes, they're are either short sideways passes or long passes. He's also started to ruin our midfield overloads when our CBs steps up, by running back to fill their position.
Last night reminded me a lot of his Wolfsburg at home performance. Deferred to Schweinsteiger all game, hid from the pass and then when Schweinsteiger went off, our midfield fell apart. It was overlooked on here but I think it played a big part in LvG opting not to play Schneiderlin in the following game against Arsenal. Sure it was a bad call in hindsight but I understood the reasoning behind dropping him.
He's good defensively, largely due to him being strong and mobile but he really needs smarten up and assert himself when we have the ball too.
His worst game for us so far. I'm a big fan of him, but he looked soft last night, when he's normally rock solid. So many times, the opposition just stepped through him with the ball. There was one instance in the 2nd half where he just did some sort of back-flick with the ball when he had all the time in the world to bring it under control, but he just sliced it back to the opposition, and we didn't get the ball back for ages.
It was playground stuff. Really lazy. It looked like he'd had enough by the hour mark and was already on the bus home.
To give him a little bit of the benefit of the doubt, the midfield as a mess last night. The worst it has been this season. Rooney didn't seem interested in linking midfield to attack. Schweinsteiger was pushing on to try and make things happen, but it gave Schneiderlin very little option when he had the ball. In the 2nd half when he had Rooney and Fellaini around him, Schneiderlin was almost a 1 man midfield, and he looked totally shot. But it doesn't explain why even early in the game the opposition just walked through him at times.
It was playground stuff. Really lazy. It looked like he'd had enough by the hour mark and was already on the bus home.
To give him a little bit of the benefit of the doubt, the midfield as a mess last night. The worst it has been this season. Rooney didn't seem interested in linking midfield to attack. Schweinsteiger was pushing on to try and make things happen, but it gave Schneiderlin very little option when he had the ball. In the 2nd half when he had Rooney and Fellaini around him, Schneiderlin was almost a 1 man midfield, and he looked totally shot. But it doesn't explain why even early in the game the opposition just walked through him at times.
He looked absolutely knackered too me, some of the under hit and loose passes showed that.
lack of rotation can't be used as an excuse for him. He has played 15 out of 21 games. It's pretty reasonable to expect him to cope with that.
He's been our best midfielder ever since the Arsenal game.
He had a shocker yesterday though, he just didn't look at the races. Was second best to everything, and his passing was terrible. Not really sure what happened. Saying that, I doubt its much fun being a midfielder in LVG's system, just ask Herrera.
I don't think it's an excuse, of course their fitness should be up too it but the whole team looked the same way. I think his concentration levels took a dive and looked a yard off the pace, especially in the 2nd half. That came from tiredness IMO.
Agree with some posters in here, he seems to shrink when the going gets tough. I don't think that he has the mentality to ever kick on and become world class.
Well, given that Herrera for some weird reason never plays CM anymore, Carrick has barely played since Arsenal and Schweinstiger has been shit, it's not saying much. Being slightly better than shit still makes you shit and at least Bastian he does have a couple of good moments per game.
From what I read this summer, he's wasted just holding midfield.
How much fun would it be to watch him and Herrera play box-to-box as a pair?
How much fun would it be to watch him and Herrera play box-to-box as a pair?
I have thought of this. the modern day Keane and Scholes.
Except Morgan is a poor man's Keane. Herrera is about pretty good.
Except Morgan is a poor man's Keane. Herrera is about pretty good.
What's to play like a proper midfielder?
He played quite well in the first half and absolutely collapsed in the second. He wasn't the only one though. It was a shambles in the second half.
He's been better in recent weeks but having watched him so far this season, he doesn't look good enough on the ball to play in midfield for United. He reminds me of Owen Hargreaves but not as good defensively.
He's been better in recent weeks but having watched him so far this season, he doesn't look good enough on the ball to play in midfield for United. He reminds me of Owen Hargreaves but not as good defensively.
Look at who's top and you've got your answer. It's a shit league and it's there for the taking.
'Being slightly better then shit'? What are you on about? He's been in great form up until yesterday.
I don't get it, either. He's a defensive midfielder who's been doing the job of a defensive midfielder very well, but for whatever reason some just think he's shit. They expect him to take on the job as playmaker whenever his partner falters, and if he can't keep that midfield ticking on his own while his partner is having a shocker, then he clearly isn't good enough.
Or because his midfield partner went from Schweinsteger to Rooney with Fellaini as a 10? Hardly surprising we lost control once those changes were made. Schneiderlin is a superb DM but clearly needs to be partnered correctly. He's a defensive MF specialist ala Matic.
When we signed him there was a few 10minute youtube highlight fans who kept claiming he was box to box and that seems to have stuck, there's plenty of top european teams that operate without a "proper" midfielder.
I fecking hope not. If that's Schneiderlin being in great form, that's another 25m down the drain.
I just don't think he's technically that good. The majority of posters on here probably only saw him when he was highlighted in the media and it gave a skewed outlook of what he's actually capable of. His performance against Man City in particular, where he made Yaya Toure look like Kolo Toure, was one that was highlighted as how great a player he was. In truth not only was that probably his best ever game in a So'ton shirt, but he also did things in that game that aren't a normal feature of his play (flicked the ball over a City players head, dribbled round a man and generally drove the ball forward).
He's a destroyer; mobile, good at reading the game and a good tackler; but United have never really had midfielders that are as limited as that until the last decade. For me you need to play him as the sole person sitting in front of the defence, with either two creative midfielders in front of him (Mata, Herrera, Pereira), or you need to play him in a midfield two with a creative box-to-box player like Herrera.
Although if you were going to do this you'd probably just play Carrick or Schweinsteiger as the sole holding midfielder and just use Schneiderlin as a rotation option.
He's a destroyer; mobile, good at reading the game and a good tackler; but United have never really had midfielders that are as limited as that until the last decade. For me you need to play him as the sole person sitting in front of the defence, with either two creative midfielders in front of him (Mata, Herrera, Pereira), or you need to play him in a midfield two with a creative box-to-box player like Herrera.
Although if you were going to do this you'd probably just play Carrick or Schweinsteiger as the sole holding midfielder and just use Schneiderlin as a rotation option.
I like him, think some of the criticism is overblown and some of it ignores the fact he's still settling, but I've been a bit disappointed with how often players seem to run through him, or generally just get break through our midfield without that much resistance. As Carrick fades and Schweinsteiger can't do it physically any more, that's something we need him to improve on.
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