On paper, yes. But there's no escaping the fact that this was a panic buy. This simply has to work for them.
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On paper, yes. But there's no escaping the fact that this was a panic buy. This simply has to work for them.
This thread should be recorded in the annals of Caf history.
The histrionics from some posters are magnificent to behold. Yes he is great, but there are so many variables that it is still a massive gamble, like any transfer. He had a good season riding the crest of a wave in a Brighton team that did very well, but ultimately fell short in a season where a few of the bigger players had a terrible year, and others were decimated with injuries. There are so many intangibles to consider that all these posts handing every title to Liverpool for the next 10yrs are beyond ludicrous. Being in a new team, off the back of a bad season, with a lot more pressure and fans who are only ever 1min from a meltdown isn't going to be easy. The expectation on him and the weight of that fee are not going to make things easy, he will need to be 9/10 in every game, and even that might not be enough.
One thing is for sure, we don't need him right now, and arguably don't until the wheels fall off Cas, which might be 2-3years, probably 2. During that time there will be another superstar DM appear, and it seems we are finally in a position with the manager to recognise this early enough to not need to spend ridiculous money on him.
The histrionics from some posters are magnificent to behold. Yes he is great, but there are so many variables that it is still a massive gamble, like any transfer. He had a good season riding the crest of a wave in a Brighton team that did very well, but ultimately fell short in a season where a few of the bigger players had a terrible year, and others were decimated with injuries. There are so many intangibles to consider that all these posts handing every title to Liverpool for the next 10yrs are beyond ludicrous. Being in a new team, off the back of a bad season, with a lot more pressure and fans who are only ever 1min from a meltdown isn't going to be easy. The expectation on him and the weight of that fee are not going to make things easy, he will need to be 9/10 in every game, and even that might not be enough.
One thing is for sure, we don't need him right now, and arguably don't until the wheels fall off Cas, which might be 2-3years, probably 2. During that time there will be another superstar DM appear, and it seems we are finally in a position with the manager to recognise this early enough to not need to spend ridiculous money on him.
People can get high on copium if they want, but I'm convinced this signing just put them back ahead of us this season.
I guess we'll find out over time who is right.
I guess we'll find out over time who is right.
I second this sentiment. I am admittedly irritated by this signing too but the amount of hysteria here is absolutely nuts.
It will be a completely brand new midfield. Think Caicedo is a top play and has proven he can play with MacAllister but I'm not sold on MacAllister or the other guy.
That said, I would have said the same thing about Henderson and Gini.
£110m sounds a bit state-clubesque but it's probably just reinvesting Coutinho's fee.
Exaggeration here is a sight to behold. Suddenly, thanks to Caicedo they're title contenders. Not to mention Casemiro being portrayed as some a Sunday league player in comparison.
They don't have depth though and we're yet to see if Szoboslai will work out.
Liverpool will struggle to make top 4, let alone a title challenge.
Brighton have absolutely rinsed Liverpool here, £110m valuation is laughable.
Works on FIFA and FM though, sign young players who reaches potential and you don't have sign a player until they reach 30s.
Nobody should underrated casemiro but it's not "suddenly" title contenders. They've been title contenders for 3? of the past 5 seasons. They had a down season but it'd be weird to think that was their normal level rather than the team who got mid-high 90 points 3 times and are the only team proven that can push City. They fell off last season with the old midfield. They've refreshed it fully with a very nice balance, young 20's, and an incredibly energetic trio. Best be prepared for a much stronger Liverpool than be shocked when it happens.
Their defence was a huge problem too. And Mané leaving.
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god this sport is broken. Liverpool paying that for a DM who has one season in the PL really is damaging, irresponsible and desperate.
god this sport is broken. Liverpool paying that for a DM who has one season in the PL really is damaging, irresponsible and desperate.Tony Bloome is the best operator in the league. Over £100 million profit on one player for one very good seasons in the PL is truly remarkable.
Liverpool have been the only team able to go the distance with City over the last 5 seasons.
I think with this signing they will do it again.
I think with this signing they will do it again.
Caicedo has been very good for Brighton and I'd have loved him here, top player but people on here talking like he's been bossing midfields ala Xavi and Iniesta for years. If he steps up under Klopp he'll be some player but he's not for me at that kind of level and Brighton should be laughing on that fee.
Whoever Brighton go after to replace him, we need to be ready to get all over it to save us paying £100million in a couple years!
Whoever Brighton go after to replace him, we need to be ready to get all over it to save us paying £100million in a couple years!
That's Liverpool in the title race if their signings hi lt the ground running.
At their peak their defence was protected by an energetic midfield. They've just re-instated it.
Casemiro, Bruno and mount is better.
110m
His track record is stronger than Enzo Fernandez.
Suddenly as opposed to last year. You're right about them being in the mix being their normal state but we're yet to see if the midfield will click, not to mention not having depth there, and their defense is still a problem. Caicedo will up their level again but I don't think to the point of being close to City and fighting for the title.
If the signings work out, maybe. VVD isn't the player he was back then, Mané was extremely important to the team, their new attacking players haven't clicked.
We are gonna need to get some more top signings in if we want to ensure a good season.
It's a fair point. Buy high sell high. Especially if you include their inflationary EUR100M purchase of Nunez.
This place talks as if Caicedo is some combination of Yaya Toure + Makelele that will boss every midfield he comes across. After 1 good season in EPL without ever playing in Europe.
Even Bellingham will flop massively. We've been here repeated times, they usually fail in more ways than one. From Hazard, Bale etc.. This signings rarely work out.From what I’ve seen of them, Bellingham stands out as the one most likely to fulfill the price tag. The others I’m in the wait and watch camp.
Ill admit thought that I wouldn’t mind us spending on the next big midfield talent. I feel our engine room does need that. Maybe it’ll be Mainoo
At least it's not us on the receiving end of this nightmare. Liverpool have spent 400m in 3 windows they won't win anything.
Chelsea the same, they've spent over 700m in the last year's won nothing,
Arteta has spent 700m he has not won anything.
May ETH not fall in that category, we've been through that with previous managers, we do desereve to be on the good side of things now.
Let others go through that route.
Wonder what he'd say if it was United
What's the opposite of copium? You've been huffing a lot of it in here.
Depth isn't a huge issue when Klopp will just toss out the Europa League and cups whenever they cause issues to depth, like Arsenal did. I'd imagine they'll just address depth in a year and go full focus on the league.
Defence I don't think is a huge issue? Trent is class, he had a wobble but finished the season very strongly. Robertson and Tsimikas are pretty good at left back. Van dijk even still, Konate, Gomez, whoever else they have... It's not quite as good as it was but still a good back 4 IMO. And more importantly for any back 4 is to have a DM who can protect you with the right work rate around him, and they've got that now.
Caicedo and Mac Allister we already know click so I don't see that being a concern for them sadly. My hope is Szoboszlai is a flop, which could happen. Jones is good depth but they don't have any cover for Caicedo mainly.
It is, doesn't stop it being stupid. The Enzo fee was a much bigger joke though, you're fight. Paying that sort of money for a DM is mental.
I bet he will flop. Hope the press go on about his price tag the same way they would if he signed for United for that amount
TBF, Diaz was out for most of the year but he is a quality player when fit. Not sure if he's prone to injuries or just had a big one.
This is really bad news for us, that's now City, Arsenal and Liverpool with better squads than us. If the Casemiro-Bruno-Mount midfield doesn't work out we will be in big trouble considering our major weakness at 9 and that Antony isn't a great attacking contributor.
Good thing it's now top 5 not top 4 that gets into the CL because we have lost the arms race, our summer build now looks pedestrian/half-hearted.
Good thing it's now top 5 not top 4 that gets into the CL because we have lost the arms race, our summer build now looks pedestrian/half-hearted.
Sorry but for the most part one has to spend to get to the top/ stay at the top. Has been true for years. Even Fergie spent when he saw it fit, Rio, Rooney etc. Truer since Chelsea came to the party.
But Klopp said he was different. Guess he is not. When you say you're different, but you are not, expect to be called out on the hypocrisy
Jurgen Klopp on Man Utd signing Pogba for €100m in 2016: "The day that this is football, then I'm not in a job anymore. "Other clubs can spend more money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I had that money."
Fecking hypocrite
Fecking hypocrite
Commiserations to the poor lad on his upcoming asthma diagnosis
Meh, teams are paying big money to be competitive otherwise the might bankrupt their clubs, it's going to be ridiculous
He’s veering fairly close to ‘it doesn’t matter what we pay for Carroll once it’s less than the £50m we got for Torres”, which everyone took the piss out of way back when.
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