Arsenal are actually said to be still interested in Caicedo if Partey leaves
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Arsenal are actually said to be still interested in Caicedo if Partey leaves
De Jong would be perfect for the role Mount will occupy, though. He’s also a lot more like Mount than Caicedo.
I don’t really see where you’re going with the Kane line. He’d play as the striker in any team we’d field, and I don’t think his presence would affect the midfield balance at all. The only thing you need with Kane is pace in and around him, and with Rashford, Antony and Garnacho there’s plenty. He’d affect the remaining budget, granted, which is probably why we’ve agreed to let it go.
If Ten Hag desperately wanted a player like Caicedo in this team then we’d be in for him, or at least somebody like him. He doesn’t, so we aren’t. He wants a player like Mount, and I’m just pleased we appear to have backed him on this front.
He is a good player no doubt highly talented but there is always another one round the corner .
I highly doubt it but we will see .
Exactly, there are very few players you really regret missing out on. Haaland will be one, because he's going to be banging them in for fun for years.
Not signing Rooney way back when probably would have been another, from Utd's POV, especially after what he achieved at the club.
Agreed and not to mention we already have one of the best DM in the world unless you think he needs replacing I don't feel the need to spend big on that position as things stand .
Tuchel wants players who can slot seamlessly between the midfield and defensive lines; DM-cum-CB ala Martinez or Stones in the other direction. It’s a very specific profile, one there is no evidence of Caicedo performing, but something Rice is actually criticised for doing when carrying out what should be pure midfield duties. City, Bayern wanting that profile immediately puts Rice in the frame, not Caicedo. There’s complexities to Rice moving across London that seemed to be ironed out. You also have no idea of Arteta’s intentions towards Rice or how they might have shifted from Caicedo. Being Pep’s mini-me, he might even adapt a system that utilises Rice in a similar between-the-lines manner, or that might be his preference. We shall see.
We don’t need a player between the deep lines as we have Martinez, who does the role in reverse. We need players who can drive from deep midfield and/or utilise the ball from there. Our profile is not one and the same with other clubs and that nuance is paramount.
Yeah, with Casemiro there, you could spend big to buy a young talent like Caicedo to eventually replace him, but if Casemiro is playing every week they aren't really going to have a chance to develop properly.
Best bet is to bring in a reasonably priced experienced player to be his backup and then go for a proper replacement in a year or two. Martín Zubimendi is a player that could be looked at for that role.
He’s in his 30’s, is playing in a terrible, unsupported midfield and we are running the legs off him unnecessarily, which led to evidential fatigue last season. He has no cover and rotation leads to massive drops in performance of the entire midfield. You aid your best players, not take away from them. Make a strong supplemental base and the whole team benefits.
Mount for Eriksen actually helps him a lot, we do need better cover for him than McTominay though
But you seem to ignoring that time and time again yourself because you seem to want Caicedo at all cost it seems when it comes to United .
You are making all the assumptions why other manager may or may not want the player or how they may even want to change the roles of said players but aren't willing to give same leeway to Our own manager where you are fixated on how you have everything figured out and Caicedo seem to be missing piece of the puzzle .
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They are loaded with money, spending shit loads of money. They have made over 200 million including Mount deal. Even if you remove Mount and Havertz, they made around 80 million.
I kind of agree with this but bringing in Caicedo for £80 m isn't the answer not yet atleast and maybe just maybe our midfield would have better balance ond legs which would aid Casemiro I'll wait before passing any judgement and our business in the Market isn't done by any mean .
I would say we definitely need a Caemiro backup because McTominay isn't good enough and that isn't even his best position.
That player will need to be much cheaper than Caicedo though.
That player will need to be much cheaper than Caicedo though.
That would be one way to go about it or we can bring a youngster just breaking through who might not be ready to be regular but still could contribute well .
How good is Zubimendi it seems he is earmarked as Busquets replacement and Arsenal seem to have interest in him as well .
If Brighton get 90-100 million for Caicedo then well done.
A Chelsea midfield duo of Enzo (6 months at Benfica) and Caicedo (1 good season at Brighton) costing 205 million total is truly bonkers haha
Moneyball shows no signs of stopping.
A Chelsea midfield duo of Enzo (6 months at Benfica) and Caicedo (1 good season at Brighton) costing 205 million total is truly bonkers haha
Moneyball shows no signs of stopping.
I've only seen him a handful of times, definitely looks like he could be a really good player, good awareness, tidy on the ball, gets out of trouble with ease at times, just with a little turn or drop of the shoulder. Can see why Barca would want him to replace Busquets.
That’s not an example of moneyball.
Is moneyball even a word? I'm just replacing Foot with Money because that's what football has become...all about money, money money.
Based on the book, originated in baseball - The application of advanced analytics to any domain in order to improve outcomes.
It's a buzzword that basically means using a data-driven approach to recruitment and team decisions in the transfer market. Buy cheap players that show strong underlying stats in a position/role that fits into your team's ethos, then sell high.
So, the opposite of just signing the expensive superstars. What Brighton and Brentford do very well.
Nice! learn something everyday...but they should of called it Stat-ball.
Havertz paid for Nkunku, with a little left over to add to the Mount sale to fund Caicedo… if it happens.
I think both Nkunku and Caicedo suit our needs without needing to belittle Havertz and Mount.
Another classicthe greatest shout was AWB as a DM
Rather, i’m answering queries you’re posing - I couldn’t care less what this teams need X and Y for, but it’s still fairly obvious. Even then. If they have some Pep-like Moment of genius and turn whatever player into something entirely different, that’s fairplay, which few, if any would have seen coming.
Your response amounts to: ‘whatever you say, nothing changes,’ which isn’t really discussing things in good faith, is it?
I’m far from fixated on Caicedo; you should probably take a gander at my posts in midfielder related transfer threads; there’s specific qualities and types of player I feel it’s important to have: Camavinga, Tchouameni, Vidal, De Jong (in acknowledgment of his skilset), Pogba and so on. It’s no one player and it’s literally no coincidence every single one of them went to the best teams, it’s also a time between one of these emerging and another that is viable. Until we sort our midfield out, we should be eyeing them up.
My reserve regarding Mount is absolutely welcome to be changed to the positive and an admittance he was the right guy dished out, but as of now, he isn’t and if he comes up short, it won’t be a surprise.
Unless our uniform pressing becomes watertight, it’ll make more work for the poor guy, not less, with acres of space for teams who break through to attack into. The same way Enzo has been slaughtered for not being a one-man army, Casemiro will be too.
We have an eye-watering amount of work to do to become an elite and cohesive high pressing team, especially so when we have flankers who support it intermittently at the moment.
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Americans, what can you do?
Mount is more defensively capable than Eriksen and also a much better presser (Eriksen didn't really want to press)
Signing one of the better pressing midfielders in the league to replace Eriksen is obviously going to help not make things worse, especially when their defensive contribution is lightyears ahead of said player
Signing a keeper who can play well as a sweeper will also help too
Not saying we solve all the issues but it will be an improvement on the side last season
So you honestly think Eriksen adds more defensive cover for Casemiro than Mount will?
De Jong and Mount are as removed as De Jong and Caicedo; you’ve the consummate deep-lying, ball carrier in the game in De Jong. It’s as effortless for him as anything, there’s barely any crossover with him and the others except occupying the same spaces nominally for a few moments, but once he’s on the ball l he’s in his own world.
Kane doesn’t press, he barely runs, he leaves holes to be exploited defensively all around him. All of that immediately has to be catered for and it would be as we’d do everything to facilitate his game, as you’d expect of a probable £100m player. He also needs different components in attack, which again, I’m sure we’d cater for. ten Hag surely isn’t inflexible in the sense of cutting off his nose to spite his face.
If we have financial constraints, there’s no guarantee we’ll be in for anyone over a certain price point. And the somebody like him enters a territory of taking a gamble rather than moving on what might be a sure thing - there’s a 21-year old who could go on to be a great in his position; I don’t think you about shift on that easily, indeed, Arsenal went from he to Rice, another tipped for similar. There’s more than one way to skin a cat - I don’t think going for a specific player suggests overall you want an exact profile where you’ll just move on to the next one of a similar profile, or if you even can (see De Jong). These Caicedo’s that grow on trees and are there to be plucked one after the other don’t actually exist.
Of course not. What kind of conclusion is that from what I said?
Uniform pressing is operative here. You can be the best presser in the entire world, but if your teammates are poor at it, it counts for little and you’re just running blind and out of position. We have a tonne of work to do if double #8’s is what we’re going with.
Because that’s what you said?
Unless our uniform pressing becomes watertight, it’ll make more work for the poor guy, not less, with acres of space for teams who break through to attack into
So basically the manager has to do his job?
Also double 8s is necessarily what will happen, drop Mount into where Eriksen is playing today and we'll be better.
What about the gas on offshore of Qatar?
We haven’t even started the incoming transfers yet. And regardless I don’t think our team looks “absolutely terrible.” Just a few key positions that need to be addressed in midfield and at striker. Both of which should start to happen next week.
If you’re of the ‘United funded Caicedo for Chelsea’ persuasion, look away now 
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That may or may not happen and no one knows when. By the time it happens Caicedo will be wearing a new jersey already.
The system being talked is about going after the opposition extremely high up the pitch in swarms where everyone pressing has a specific job to do and it’s absolutely imperative that nobody makes a mistake or slacks off. If done correctly, it strangles the life out of the opposition and gives your teams’ DM less work to do as all he has to keep eye on then is positional exploits and sweeping up loose balls. The ball constantly gets recycled up the pitch and eventually the pressure will tell.
If, you do not press uniformly or have all players on the same page, that same principle backfires and the DM’s workload is unmanageable and he will be overrun, hence we have to be water tight, no ifs or buts.
We did not engage in the kind of pressing envisioned, last season, but the little pressing we attempted we were not good at with players switching off from menial tasks left right and centre.
If we go for this and get it wrong, Casemiro will be the biggest casualty and we’ll compromise the one universally agreed upon world class midfielder we have.
Even as it looks like my club may be buying him I’m not exactly jumping for joy. I see Caicedo as a really solid but not yet top class player right now. And yet we could be spending the sort of money on him that an already world class player commands.
Think I’ll feel much better about the move if the rumors of us buying a second CM are true and Poch uses 3 in midfield.
Think I’ll feel much better about the move if the rumors of us buying a second CM are true and Poch uses 3 in midfield.
If we press higher up then the team moves up. It doesn’t leave Casemiro needing to work harder, if anything the condensed space that we will operate in would help him.
I can’t see how that’s worse than sitting deep meaning Casemiro has more ground to cover as he has further to travel up and down the pitch.
It just doesn’t add up in any way. Teams press high to cut off space, it doesn’t leave the opposition more to operate in.
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