I rated Modric really highly when he first burst on the scene. Thought he was one special talent. I don't think he's fulfilling his potential. He drifts in and out of the game. He doesn't pull the strings as much as I thought he would. Yes, he's classy on the ball and does fantastic things, but he doesn't dominate games like I think he can.
Modric vs Bale
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I rated Modric really highly when he first burst on the scene. Thought he was one special talent. I don't think he's fulfilling his potential. He drifts in and out of the game. He doesn't pull the strings as much as I thought he would. Yes, he's classy on the ball and does fantastic things, but he doesn't dominate games like I think he can.
I agree 100%, i wound't underrate Bale though.
Rothen was great at one point and was it not for some stupid career move he'd have been an outstanding player
Aha. It was a completely pointless question that had nothing do to do with the development of either Welbeck or Bale. Gotcha.
Fair enough. Just thought you might have something interesting to add to a discussion about football. My bad.
No big name striker in England has scored more goals in all compets than Bale except for Anelka.
If the vote were today, Bale would win PFA player of the season. Fantastic start to the season, remains to be seen whether he is consistent enough.
If the vote were today, Bale would win PFA player of the season. Fantastic start to the season, remains to be seen whether he is consistent enough.
I'll happily bet you that in 2 years Bale is still regarded as better than Welbeck if you like?
My point was more your penchant for making deliberately "anti-what's considered the current opinon"-statements..i.e Arsenal > Chelsea, Modric > Bale.
I think it's a bit OTT that you took Modric, a player who was just as anonymous and more at fault (being a central player) than Bale in Spurs' first half rubbishness, and decided to signal him out for praise above Bale when he eventually started playing well, after Bale had gotten them back into the match...and ignoring the fact that Van der Vaart was the main contributor, with hand in all goals, setting up 2 and scoring 1. But then saying Van der Vaart > Bale isn't quite as controversial. And you quite like that.
Hence why I thought you'd fail to acknowledge any gap in quality between Bale and Welbeck. It almost offends you when people get excited about players that aren't United ones...Not that I mind that. Just find the Bale-lash is starting to get almost as silly as Balemania.
Modric probably. Though I'm not convinced about him in a 442...he doesn't do enough work to carry himself. Same goes for VDV, and Bale would be a ridiculously overpriced luxury.
So no one really.
Yeah, I'm boring like that.
So no one really.
Yeah, I'm boring like that.
Modric > Bale isn't a particularly controversial opinion going off the fact loads of people in here have said they would prefer Modric too, and it's been said here and there plenty of times...
If y'all rate Modric so highly why does Scholsey suffer so much abuse?
Because he's a spastic?
please. it would be one big girly slap-fight, probably with some tears.
It's the way he goes about it.As if he's Modric's agent or something
Understand there's a Bale wankest happening at the moment though IMO modric is class, but Bale has potential to be worldclass. Boy showed at the weekend he's none to bad in the air and he's a game changer.
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Bale-------Nani--------Val
------Rodwel--Fletcher
Evra-----Vid---Small---Raf
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If only we had money
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Bale-------Nani--------Val
------Rodwel--Fletcher
Evra-----Vid---Small---Raf
---------De Gea
If only we had money
Because no one rates Modric over Fabregas other than Scholesy
We need Modric and Bale and we would be very close to complete. Ideally I would have preferred Ozil over Modric.
Bale. He's not Ronaldo but he's the nearest thing to it in the prem. Also left footed, good passer, an excellent finisher and good with set pieces. And 4 years younger than Modric. Just what we need. I'd take him over Modric if the prices were similar.
What is it with you and Welbeck?
It wasn't long ago that you claimed Welbeck was a better player than Ronaldo was at the same age, which was of course simply not true. It seems as though you have some sort of irrational view of his abilities.
He's nothing like Ronaldo. Nani is more similar in style, with the ability to cut inside and also to use his weaker foot. Bale's more of a Valencia type winger.
I do think Welbeck will turn into a good player though
Welbeck is a bit of an odd one, imo some of Pogue's sentiment is bang on, particularly RE his potential.
For all the money in the world he looked the better forward out of him and Macheda when playing through the reserve set up. Welbeck really did look special.
I've been disappointed with the way he's been used in the rare occasion he's had first team action for us thus far (often stuck out of the wing, usually left), maybe a victim of his own talent. But still plenty of time for him to turn out a star, hopefully he'll come back from Sunderland as a player capable of stepping up to our forward line.
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RE Modric v Bale. I'd take Bale every day of the week. Very few left sided players out there better than him, and he's still got bags of potential left in him.
Modric is class, but I’d reckon the Caf could put together a list of 10 credible alternatives to his position. The same couldn’t be done for Bale.
For all the money in the world he looked the better forward out of him and Macheda when playing through the reserve set up. Welbeck really did look special.
I've been disappointed with the way he's been used in the rare occasion he's had first team action for us thus far (often stuck out of the wing, usually left), maybe a victim of his own talent. But still plenty of time for him to turn out a star, hopefully he'll come back from Sunderland as a player capable of stepping up to our forward line.
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RE Modric v Bale. I'd take Bale every day of the week. Very few left sided players out there better than him, and he's still got bags of potential left in him.
Modric is class, but I’d reckon the Caf could put together a list of 10 credible alternatives to his position. The same couldn’t be done for Bale.
There's not many good young available CMs around.
When did Modric become available? and does 25 still count as young?
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He's more available than Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Alonso etc, that's for sure. You name me 10 better midfielders than Modric that we're more likely to get.
Welbeck's got fantastic ability and the potential to be a top class player. This has been obvious ever since he started appearing regularly for our youth setup. There's not really anything irrational about recognising it. It just remains to be seen how he'll develop.
Bale was fecking shite when he was Welbeck's age, and there are people in here now claiming that he can effectively replace Cristiano Ronaldo. That's irrational.
He wasn't fecking shit though was he noodle? That's fecking shite itself. He was actually pretty good. There of course was that period where Spurs didn't win but he wasn't scoring an own goal a game actively enforcing that stat though was he?.. He's also only 16 months older than Welbeck, so the whole "when he was his age" bollocks is bollocks. Bale was the best young player in the League for the latter half of last season and probably would've won the PFAs if it hadn't been voted for in March. So Welbeck has to be a contender for Young Player of the League by then end of the season to even match him "when he was his age"...
There is very much a view to try and slam down Bale just because it's in vogue to say he's quality now...thus making it in vogue for the special snowflake fans to claim he's actually shit and Modric/Welbeck/Tom Cleverly are all actually better players than him really if you only knew what you were talking about blah blah blah.
There is very much a view to try and slam down Bale just because it's in vogue to say he's quality now...thus making it in vogue for the special snowflake fans to claim he's actually shit and Modric/Welbeck/Tom Cleverly are all actually better players than him really if you only knew what you were talking about blah blah blah.
16 months is more than a year Mockney, you gimp.
and yes, he was shite at that point. He was playing mostly as a fullback, and was rubbish at it - as he still is when he plays there.
It also wouldn't be that surprising if Welbeck ends up as a contender for young player of the year. He's more than enough ability to be up there.
Football fans have very selective memories
and yes, he was shite at that point. He was playing mostly as a fullback, and was rubbish at it - as he still is when he plays there.
It also wouldn't be that surprising if Welbeck ends up as a contender for young player of the year. He's more than enough ability to be up there.
Football fans have very selective memories
And it's been a year since Bale started performing hasn't it you spastic?
This time last year Bale started to be one of the best performing young players in the League (bit later actually, after the new year), so Welbeck has another 4 + months to start being one of or the best young player in the League or the whole "when he was his age" rubbish will be just that.
I'm not hoping he won't be or anything, I hope he's fecking awesome, but some of the assertions in here are knee-jerk and a bit mongish. Welbeck's done very little in first team football yet, Bale has done comparably a lot and there's only a year and a bit between them. It's not hard to see why playing down one whilst building up the other is a bit spazzy.
I hope he is.
Indeed they do. Because the Bale-lash brigade seem to believe all the hype is off 2 games.
I don't recall Bale being all that last season. Unless last season means Inter Milan home and away.
Bale's debut season at Southampton was pretty handy too, didn't he knock in a few freekicks?
Case in point...
So you don't remember winners against Chelsea and Arsenal then?
Fair enough, he's obviously not a patch on Danny Welbeck then, I wonder why we ever tried to sign him.
No, I've only watched him play a handful of times - mainly at left back, which is why I asked this few weeks ago 'errr....cuntos, is Bale a LB or LW??'. The general consensus was that he's a LB - a position he's always looked a bit naff at. And stop this stupid gay Balelash thing, you melon. He's good but he's clearly been overhyped over the last couple of weeks. Is he better than Wellbeck? forget Wellbeck is he better than Dong Fanzhou...
Well, more like about three quarters of a year actually. Before that he was inconsistent at best and spent most of his time being an error prone fullback with little or no end product. He certainly wasn't performing as the best young player in the country at this time last year. It was only the last month or so of the season he showed up.
Only by your calculations, and in anycase, Welbeck's been playing very well for Sunderland this season, and is begining to find some consistency. He might not turn out to be good enough, but potential wise he's not exactly lagging behind where Gareth Bale was at the same age. Welbeck probably has more natural ability and as Fergie said, is still developing physically. He's the best young prospect United have on their books, aside from maybe Rafael.
To be fair, the Bale lash brigade doesn't really exist. There's just a debate about whether he'd be a worthwhile signing for United, based on the fact we need a central midfield player, which Bale isn't.
'Balehaters, Balehate', in the tune of Regulate by Warren G.
Not really my place to butt in during a discussion that I find pointless and dull, but he was one of (if not the) best left backs in the Championship for a while.
Yeah, and Tom Cleverly looked like one of the best midfielders in the business in the Championship last season...now he barely gets a game for Wigan Athletic.
If I remember rightly, it took Bale over a year before he played in a Premiership game which Spurs managed to win. So basically was either the world's most unlucky man or a complete liability.
But it does though noodle. I'd contend that the Bale-mania brigade don't really exist. Some journo's said some very stupid things after Inter and everyone said it was ridiculous to call him one of the best in the world. Anyone who knows anything about football knows he's not one of the best in the world but even suggesting you think he's fantastic at the moment is looked on as a bit muppetty. But hey, this youth prospect of ours who's never shone in first team football and has only just scored a couple of goals for Sunderland, he's got the potential to be World Class..."Bale? Pah, only idiots think he's great". That's an exaggeration obviously, but it's the general impression I get from some on here. It's silly
Both you and Spoony have completely undermined his progress in the last year (and his career before it) with vague sweeping statements about how he was actually shite or only good in 2 games when both are nonsense. I'm just a bit tired of it is all.
He looked like one of the best young midfielders. Which he is.
Yeah, every single game was his fault
Not quite sure what your point is, or how you can relate that unlucky run to Bale himself.
Sorry, but that's simply nonsense. At 17 Bale was one of the brightest prospects in football. Just because his first couple of seasons at Spurs were difficult for him, it does not mean he was shite. The problem was he was playing in the wrong position.
And as for Welbeck, of course he has potential to be a top class player, but so do many young players in the Premier League. Until he actually strings together more half a dozen games of good performances, then he's still just one of many prospects in the game.
Bale was exceptional for the latter part of last season.