Hindsight. That said, if Mane was here, he'd probably be sitting in the north stand.
Missing out on / ignoring Mane and Kante was a big mistake
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Signing Kante whils having an instant impact may have very well consigned Fosu Mensah to the reserves till he becomes disillusioned and moves on
That kid is gonna be a star soon
That kid is gonna be a star soon
Kante was a stupidly obvious signing. Energy and legs, plus a real desire to win.
Mane was another obvious signing. Mkhitaryan clearly isn't fancied, for whatever reason. Is he a better player than Mane? Doesn't look it at the moment.
It'd of been superb. Full of movement and energy.
Mane was another obvious signing. Mkhitaryan clearly isn't fancied, for whatever reason. Is he a better player than Mane? Doesn't look it at the moment.
Zlatan
Martial - Mata - Mane
Pogba - Kante
Martial - Mata - Mane
Pogba - Kante
It'd of been superb. Full of movement and energy.
Nonsense. Kante and Mane are not proven winners time after time. the reason we got Pogba and Ibra as well as Mikhi was the experience they have had in winning teams and their ability to lift the teams they are in. admittedly Mihki hasnt been a success but the other two will prove to he essential players before the end.
We hardly ignored Kante whose already stated Mourinho wanted to sign him. No one would have taken Mane before Miki in the summer, this thread reeks of recency bias.
You could literally say the same thing about 90% of our signings over the past 3 summers. The problem is that we have no cohesion or style to speak of where the players can perform at due to a lack of continuity or poor coaching or both. Our players basically do not have the platform to perform and we won't know what they can do for sure until that changes.
Disagree with both. Happy with the transfers we made. Team is blowing hot & cold but signs are there. 3/4 of the signings we made have to be classed as good business so far. Mkhi will come good in the long run I feel.
On paper Miki is a better signing than Mane. We just have to actually start playing him and hope it's not too late.
Kante would be ok but not at the expense of Pogba, and there are players out there who better fit that role.
You can't judge players by how they look when the whole team is in form.
Kante would be ok but not at the expense of Pogba, and there are players out there who better fit that role.
You can't judge players by how they look when the whole team is in form.
Didnt see Arsenal fans rue over missing Ronaldo, Leo Messi, Didier Drogba, Yaya Toure.
How is Pogba a better player than Kante? How in the world is that conclusion even possible by looking at direct evidence so far? More potential maybe, but that does not mean squat when you`re not delivering. Kante is a better player.
In football, you have to live in the present, not in the possible future, what is is better than will possibly happen.
In football, you have to live in the present, not in the possible future, what is is better than will possibly happen.
Possibly to please the Chelsea fans by saying that he chose them over United.
No, my point is that, Jose wanted to sign Kante. But before signing him, wanted to ship someone out to make space for him. But club failed to sell most of our dead woods, possibly because of their high salaries. So, it's possible that Kante waited for us till the end and finally decided to accept Chelsea offer as we were not making any concrete move for him.
His words, it could be to please the Chelsea fans by saying that he chose them over United. New signings usually talk such things to win over the fans.
How many league titles does Kante have??.. Also were people not slaughtering him after that Ozil goal against them....
Because a midfield 3 of Kante, Herrara and Pogba would have been the best in the league and would compete with any elite team in the world. For France in Euro's, Pogba played mostly as a defensive mid which won't suit him, and that affected the team performance as well.
I don't think a known sulker like Mane would have taken well to the treatment that Mkhi is being handed out right now.
As for Kante, hasn't Carrick shown exactly the kind of midfielder that we need for Pogba to excel? Don't think he would have been the answer.
For a moment let's assume we signed both of them in a hypothetical scenario: will that make Smalling and Shaw warriors who can play through injuries? The answer is no.
As for Kante, hasn't Carrick shown exactly the kind of midfielder that we need for Pogba to excel? Don't think he would have been the answer.
For a moment let's assume we signed both of them in a hypothetical scenario: will that make Smalling and Shaw warriors who can play through injuries? The answer is no.
Mane a known sulker?? Since when?
When he got dropped from the Southampton side for a month over xmas (while there was all sorts of speculation) he simply kept training and worked his way back into the starting lineup. No press outbursts, no tantrums, just got on with it.
Didn't he thrown strops at both Red Bull and Southampton when things didn't go his way or he wanted to move? I am not sure that kind of player who have taken too well to finding himself sat in the stands too often.
You know you are at redcafe when they feel sorry for themselves and think players from other clubs are better than theirs.Yea everyone who goes on to look half decent for another team we missed out on and should have signed.If people were ever to actually manage a club even on FM they probably have 30 man squads where no one gets to play just so they don't miss out on someone.
Ftr people wanted Schneiderlin badly too and thought he would solve all our midfield issues, at his best for Soton I don't think he's a worse player than kante.
Ftr people wanted Schneiderlin badly too and thought he would solve all our midfield issues, at his best for Soton I don't think he's a worse player than kante.Sounds rosy in hindsight. But we already had Rashford and Martial with Lingard as a capble backup. We then signed Mkhitaryan, who at that time was deemed to be a better signing than Mane and i believe in the long run he will eventually come good and meet all expectations.
Herrera does almost the same thing as Kante for us. He's also slightly better while going forward. Can be argued that signing Kante and playing him alongside Pogba and Herrera would've resembled the French set up in the Euros (Kante playing deep with Matuidi & Pogba ahead), and that didn't exactly work as planned.
Herrera does almost the same thing as Kante for us. He's also slightly better while going forward. Can be argued that signing Kante and playing him alongside Pogba and Herrera would've resembled the French set up in the Euros (Kante playing deep with Matuidi & Pogba ahead), and that didn't exactly work as planned.
still vaguely remember that some here were saying Man is not "ManUtd material", probably he doesn't have a fanciful latin name.
Wanted mane and the lad at Leicester. I think they'd have been great. You look at liverpool and they have a lot of similar players who can score goals. That is what we lack. People talked about Manes form but he'd shown enough to suggest he could be a good signing.
I made a fuss about it. I still think Kante would have been an ideal Jose signing.
He was never in the same league as kante.
Schneiderlin looked like he might make it at a top four club. Kante was far and away the leagues best midfielder and one of the three outstanding players in an impossible title win. They are miles apart and always were.
Christ, both playing well so we've missed out? Ridiculous post.
Maybe so. But if we got Kante and he would be benched we would all soon be singing the same song, "not good enough". Just like Schneiderlin, he is a player who needs to play all the time and find his place in the team. Not a squad player at all. He wouldn't be able to come in every once in a while and immediately convince everyone.
I also consider him to be a lot better than Schneiderlin tbh. I'm just repeating what I said in the Schneiderlin thread. We don't know how good he could be for us because he hardly ever gets a chance. In Soton he was very, very good.
I don't know. I was certainly happy with Mkhi ahead of Mane in the summer, and while I believe Kante is a tidy player, I think someone more similar to Carrick, especially with regards to his passing game, should be prioritized when we next bolster our midfield again.
If it was to play the formation same as the latest match, vs Swansea, then a Kante will be useful. But, if insist on 4231 in current set up, Kante can only do very little for us.
Nope.
I disagree, this is just revisionism and the fact that Kante had a good season with Leicester last year has a lot to do with this. Schneiderlin's stock was pretty high when we bought him. It's entirely possible had he gone to a more settled team and kante joined us that the shoe would have been on the other foot where opinions are concerned. I still back him to make it big here.
Kante I agree, but I think Mane fits Liverpool perfectly. Not sure he'd play as well for us. Based on playing style, Micky would suit us better but only god knows why he doesnt play
Of course kante's last season with leicester has a lot to do with it, ffs. he hit heights there that Schneiderlin couldn't even dream of.
It's like comparing Ljunbgjerg to Pires. Both goalscoring wingers good enough to make an impact for a top side. One of them is clearly a level higher than the other.
How the hell could anyone have predicted how it's turned out with Mkhi
Yeah, and the feckin shite management for not noticing that Messi guy when he was a kid. Some scout network we have. Feckers.
What makes you think a Jose didn't want him at the same time Chelsea did? Going by his own words, that's what looked like what happened.
Yes,Kante/Pogba/Herrera would've been one hell of the MF,not sure on between Mane or Mkhi with former being PL proven.
Plus Jose should have considered the height advantage while choosing his players.
Plus Jose should have considered the height advantage while choosing his players.
It was only 1 season though and Morgan had been a very good player for Soton for a while longer, at worst he was comparable to Matic the season Chelsea won the league when all and sundry were creaming themselves over him and this was before we even signed him so the question of bias doesn't exist. That is hardly light years away from what Kante did at Leicester, just because he won the league with them doesn't mean he is already one of the best water carriers in Europe. I'm reminded of the cows analogy from Fergie here.
Firminho v depay
Kante v pogba
Mane v MKH
On paper and at time of buying each one they were few complaints. it really makes you think whether coming to United and being under such a negative cloud has effected there confidence. I don't think we signed bad players, they just are not performing.
Then again, kante for me was a steel. he was the only guy I wanted over the summer and jist imagine if he and pogba had both come. Carrick could sit back and dictate whilst kante picks up the loose balls and pogba has the freedom to go forward behind the 2 wingers and ibra.
Kante v pogba
Mane v MKH
On paper and at time of buying each one they were few complaints. it really makes you think whether coming to United and being under such a negative cloud has effected there confidence. I don't think we signed bad players, they just are not performing.
Then again, kante for me was a steel. he was the only guy I wanted over the summer and jist imagine if he and pogba had both come. Carrick could sit back and dictate whilst kante picks up the loose balls and pogba has the freedom to go forward behind the 2 wingers and ibra.
Would rather we signed Xhaka to replace Carrick instead of Kante to be honest, Kante does the defensive side of things great but he dont offer much going forward for me, always beleive if you play for the top teams you should be able to do everything as CM player.
My view is that, Chelsea and us contacted Kante at the same time. But Chelsea made a concrete offer right away while we were only having informal talks with him. It was reported that even though Chelsea made their offer before Euros, Kante was not willing to sign at that time and was holding on the deal. I think he was buying time and weighing his options. So, i'm guessing that he waited for us, but we never made a formal offer to him, possibly because we were not able to make space for him.