Miranda for 30m Euros?

I'd be a bit worried that, like a number of Atletico players, he's much better as part of that unit than he would be in a different team.

If you're going to buy someone like Hummels in, then great. But I'd rather just trust Evans and Jones than spend £25m on a 29-year-old who may not even be that great like Miranda.
 
So we spent years and years linked with a bloke called Garay and within an hour we are signing someone called Miranda.

30m is a lot for a defender. Given the Luiz fee it appears that there's a premium on them at the moment.

Express article makes me laugh. Claims Miranda has been seen in Manchester over the last few weeks. Not seen any posts from any local United fans on the net about it.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...o-sign-24m-rated-Atletico-Madrid-star-Miranda
 
NinjaFletch said:
That they're very clearly not better.
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You are overrating Miranda and underrating the others, Miranda is having a fantastic season for sure but he is not a lot better than Alex (who has been better than Silva this season with PSG), Piqué, Subotic (who was as good as Miranda last season in CL) or vertonghen.
 
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Not sure I'd pay 30m
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defiantly a fetish market lol
 
Varun said:
Benatia who's as good and would be much cheaper and Marquinhos who's a superb talent. Maybe even Garay but that's more from what I hear about him than having seen a lot of him.

Again, as I said, it not about whether or not we can get someone better for cheaper as it is about it being stupid to pay 30mil for a 29yr old CB when he isnt among the best around. That kind of money specially at that age should be reserved for the top CBs.
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Benatia wouldn't be cheaper than €30, AS Roma are determined to keep him and Barcelona and City really want him aswell. If we could get Benatia for that price he would certainly be preferred but the reality is he probably completley out of our league, he might not even leave Roma at all and if he does, he'll have Barcelona or City written all over him.

Marquinhos would cost an arm and a leg, PSG paid more for him than €30m and they wouldn't sell him without a profit, and again this guy is heavily linked with Barcelona to the point that alot of media suggest a deal has already been made for Alves and €20m (not saying those media are true, but it is an indication, that we aren't just going to come in and snap him up, definitley not for €30m). On top of that marquinhos is 20 years old, doesn't speak a word of english, he may be a great talent, but we have talented centrebacks with the loss of Vidic and Rio we should rather be aiming for experience.

Considering Garay I'd say he is not the type of centreback LVG needs to play his kind of football, he needs a playmaking centreback and I don't think Garay would suit that role. On top of that is widely reported his move to Zenit is already a done deal. I don't think Garay is even available anymore.

We can also all talk about somebody like Hummels but I simply don't think we make kind of chance to sign these players. Mangala possibly, but Chelsea are after him and even City found that his price tag was to expensive, so I doubt we could afford him (wouldn't make more sense than Mirranda).

I'am not saying we should sign Mirranda for £24m because I agree it is a bit much for a 29 year old, yet saying many other (better) players are available for less is simply not true. If the move would happen, I would be a little fed up about the price tag but beside that I'd think we have ourselves a great centreback for the coming 3 years under Van Gaal. A highly experienced player, the type of centreback we don't have here at the club, playmaking, easilly scoring aswell. He would help LVG to build the kind of system that matches his football vision and he could help Jones and Smalling in their development with his experience because its clear neither of them are really ready to lead back lign just yet. On the short term it would be a good signing, but it would be an expensive one because there is no long term value in it.

But rather Mirranda for £24m than nobody or rather him than BMI thats for sure.
 
Varun said:
Benatia who's as good and would be much cheaper and Marquinhos who's a superb talent. Maybe even Garay but that's more from what I hear about him than having seen a lot of him.

Again, as I said, it not about whether or not we can get someone better for cheaper as it is about it being stupid to pay 30mil for a 29yr old CB when he isnt among the best around. That kind of money specially at that age should be reserved for the top CBs.
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Benatia wouldn't be cheaper considering Roma paid around £12m for him a year ago, he'll cost the same if not more. Marquinhos is off to Barca & Garay's going to Zenit.
 
I'm not too phased by the prospect of us spending money lavishly or extortionately seeing as we need to recruit players and it's likely some will come at a premium, but factoring in Miranda's age and this could be a very bad move. An excellent defender and arguably the best in La Liga this season, but signing him for the immediate short-term might not be a wise move.

Someone like Garay who has vast experience both domestically and in European football would be a better solution for our defence. We need a ball-playing centre back, ideally in his mid-twenties and entering his prime. I think that should be the set criteria for our search for a defender and although adding an immediate injection of quality into the first team is what we will strive for, I think we should side-step Miranda for that fee.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
Benatia wouldn't be cheaper than €30, AS Roma are determined to keep him and Barcelona and City really want him aswell. If we could get Benatia for that price he would certainly be preferred but the reality is he probably completley out of our league, he might not even leave Roma at all and if he does, he'll have Barcelona or City written all over him.

Marquinhos would cost an arm and a leg, PSG paid more for him than €30m and they wouldn't sell him without a profit, and again this guy is heavily linked with Barcelona to the point that alot of media suggest a deal has already been made for Alves and €20m (not saying those media are true, but it is an indication, that we aren't just going to come in and snap him up, definitley not for €30m). On top of that marquinhos is 20 years old, doesn't speak a word of english, he may be a great talent, but we have talented centrebacks with the loss of Vidic and Rio we should rather be aiming for experience.

Considering Garay I'd say he is not the type of centreback LVG needs to play his kind of football, he needs a playmaking centreback and I don't think Garay would suit that role. On top of that is widely reported his move to Zenit is already a done deal. I don't think Garay is even available anymore.

We can also all talk about somebody like Hummels but I simply don't think we make kind of chance to sign these players. Mangala possibly, but Chelsea are after him and even City found that his price tag was to expensive, so I doubt we could afford him (wouldn't make more sense than Mirranda).

I'am not saying we should sign Mirranda for £24m because I agree it is a bit much for a 29 year old, yet saying many other (better) players are available for less is simply not true. If the move would happen, I would be a little fed up about the price tag but beside that I'd think we have ourselves a great centreback for the coming 3 years under Van Gaal. A highly experienced player, the type of centreback we don't have here at the club, playmaking, easilly scoring aswell. He would help LVG to build the kind of system that matches his football vision and he could help Jones and Smalling in their development with his experience because its clear neither of them are really ready to lead back lign just yet. On the short term it would be a good signing, but it would be an expensive one because there is no long term value in it.

But rather Mirranda for £24m than nobody or rather him than BMI thats for sure.
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Santos J said:
Benatia wouldn't be cheaper considering Roma paid around £12m for him a year ago, he'll cost the same if not more. Marquinhos is off to Barca & Garay's going to Zenit.
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I dont consider Benatia out of our league. Barca might ofcourse be the preferred destination but we can offer everything City can and would be the more preferred destination I feel.

Marquinhos's availability is an interesting one. Now with Luiz going there, that's 3 CBs clearly ahead of him. I dont think PSG would mind if good money comes along specially given how much they're paying for Luiz now. But yes, he'd be more of a talent than a ready made top CB which is why I mentioned that in my post. He's a top talent though and if he's the CB we get in, I would be very happy. But again, Barca being interested is again a sign of trouble. That said, considering they're being linked to both benatia and marquinhos and will only take one, the other is definitely gettable.

Agree regarding the likes of hummels, no chance of getting him. Not just about us, any club really atm. That guy is Dortmund through and through.

Also, I didnt say better players were available for less. I actually said its not about me believing better players are available for less but about 30mil being too steep for him. That said, I'm not the one paying for him and people better placed than me would be the ones making the final call so if we get him, I'd be happy even though I'd still believe we'd overpaid.
 
JPRouve said:
You are overrating Miranda and underrating the others, Miranda is having a fantastic season for sure but he is not a lot better than Alex (who has been better than Silva this season with PSG), Piqué, Subotic (who was as good as Miranda last season in CL) or vertonghen.
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Pique is absolute guff. Vertonghen is an appalling centre back, Alex is playing in the French league and Subotic is no great shakes.

Miranda's been the best defender in Spain two seasons in a row. You can't dismiss that because he plays in a convenient 'system'.
 
I've watched a fair bit of him since his time at Sao Paulo and he's not particularly great. He's just been lucky to be part of a great defensive system with a settled back five which has elevated his reputation well above what it should be. For me Godin's clearly the superior player and Atlético bought him for £7m when he was 24. Non-story.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Pique is absolute guff. Vertonghen is an appalling centre back, Alex is playing in the French league and Subotic is no great shakes.

Miranda's been the best defender in Spain two seasons in a row. You can't dismiss that because he plays in a convenient 'system'.
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Yep, everyone is a turd except Miranda.
 
bonusroller said:
So we spent years and years linked with a bloke called Garay and within an hour we are signing someone called Miranda.

30m is a lot for a defender. Given the Luiz fee it appears that there's a premium on them at the moment.

Express article makes me laugh. Claims Miranda has been seen in Manchester over the last few weeks. Not seen any posts from any local United fans on the net about it.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...o-sign-24m-rated-Atletico-Madrid-star-Miranda
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Would they know him if they saw him? I know I wouldn't.
 
Has this transfer story got any legs then? Hopefully not.
 
Varun said:
I dont consider Benatia out of our league. Barca might ofcourse be the preferred destination but we can offer everything City can and would be the more preferred destination I feel.

Marquinhos's availability is an interesting one. Now with Luiz going there, that's 3 CBs clearly ahead of him. I dont think PSG would mind if good money comes along specially given how much they're paying for Luiz now. But yes, he'd be more of a talent than a ready made top CB which is why I mentioned that in my post. He's a top talent though and if he's the CB we get in, I would be very happy. But again, Barca being interested is again a sign of trouble. That said, considering they're being linked to both benatia and marquinhos and will only take one, the other is definitely gettable.

Agree regarding the likes of hummels, no chance of getting him. Not just about us, any club really atm. That guy is Dortmund through and through.

Also, I didnt say better players were available for less. I actually said its not about me believing better players are available for less but about 30mil being too steep for him. That said, I'm not the one paying for him and people better placed than me would be the ones making the final call so if we get him, I'd be happy even though I'd still believe we'd overpaid.
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You do know we finished 7th last season and as a result we have no European football?

We can offer more money than City but they certainly have the upper hand.
 
Manucho the boss said:
You do know we finished 7th last season and as a result we have no European football?

We can offer more money than City but they certainly have the upper hand.
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1yr without CL European football wouldnt be a deal breaker for a club like ours.
 
Benatia would be about the same price. He's a few years younger but has had a slightly less impressive season than Miranda.

Marquinhos would be my ultimate muppet signing, with Varane in 2nd. But Marqy is looking Barca-bound.
 
How would anyone know it's only 1 year? 1 year could very easily turn into many more, especially if we are unable to strengthen the team.

I don't think we know how much of a dealbreaker it is yet. There have been some examples of biggish players going to non-CL clubs that pay a lot of money so it is of course possible, but a player that currently plays for a CL club has to be reluctant to give that up for an indefinite period of time.
 
So any truth in this?

Or is this another story like the Falcao down payment coming from Spain.
 
Browniee said:
Finally someone that's not bothered by how much a players costs, we are in this mess as we don't pay the bloody money.
Spend spend spend
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We are in the mess in the first place by signing not that good players. Spend spend spend won't solve anything if it isn't on the right players.
 
sincher said:
How would anyone know it's only 1 year? 1 year could very easily turn into many more, especially if we are unable to strengthen the team.

I don't think we know how much of a dealbreaker it is yet. There have been some examples of biggish players going to non-CL clubs that pay a lot of money so it is of course possible, but a player that currently plays for a CL club has to be reluctant to give that up for an indefinite period of time.
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There's a difference between United falling out of the top 4 and an actual mid table club. What you said can be said about any of the top 4 in England atm bar City. Just like us, they'l be starting from scratch to get into the top 4 again.
 
Revan said:
We are in the mess in the first place by signing not that good players. Spend spend spend won't solve anything if it isn't on the right players.
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Agreed, there's an opportunity cost to every contract or transfer bid. It's prob the children used to playing Football Manager that think we have unlimited funds to throw around.
 
Varun said:
There's a difference between United falling out of the top 4 and an actual mid table club. What you said can be said about any of the top 4 in England atm bar City. Just like us, they'l be starting from scratch to get into the top 4 again.
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Yeah but I don't think we're on equal footing with City just because we both start the season on 0 points.

A look at odds for top 4 next season will show you that City are 1.05 or 1/20 and we are 1.69 or 4/6.
 
Finally we're signing a player from the Pro Evo base squad.
 
Manucho the boss said:
Yeah but I don't think we're on equal footing with City just because we both start the season on 0 points.

A look at odds for top 4 next season will show you that City are 1.05 or 1/20 and we are 1.69 or 4/6.
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City are definitely ahead of us as I already stated but there are 3 more spots up for grabs. And these odds will change once the season starts based on the transfers that actually happen. I doubt a player will turn us down thinking we arent going to be in the CL long term. If a player doesnt even want to miss out on the CL for a year, then yeah, wont come here.
 
Revan said:
We are in the mess in the first place by signing not that good players. Spend spend spend won't solve anything if it isn't on the right players.
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Yeah obviously the right players but what I meant is if say Barca want £40m for Cesc then just pay the dam money, he'd improve us immensely. I still see us being tight arses this summer.
 
Browniee said:
Yeah obviously the right players but what I meant is if say Barca want £40m for Cesc then just pay the dam money, he'd improve us immensely. I still see us being tight arses this summer.
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Fabregas worth that amount because he is marketable and very good at best level for 8 years now.
 
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