How many players have we been linked with now? 
Miranda for 30m Euros?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Balls dont believe it.
£24 million sounds a lot better than €30 million. Still, I'm taking this with a pinch of salt.
More than Newcastle United and they always get linked with everything moving......including my nan!How many players have we been linked with now?
I'm reserved on Miranda, like Dante they both played in France and failed. I think that individually they are not good enough, i fear that the team they are playing in make them look better then they actually are.
Agreed, he's moved around for £1.5m and £2m now he's €30m? He did have a good season but somehow Simeone got the average players in the squad to perform above their natural level.
Apparently he was good in his time back in Brazil but only 1 international cap in the last 4 years raises questions. If he's the alternative to Hummels or Mangala I'll be disappointed.
He's been good for most of his time at Atletico. Using international caps to compare players, especially with the Brazil squad under Scolari is unfair, considering he rarely picks Filipe and lost out on Costa because of the same reason. Miranda should be going to the world cup.
No thanks. Good player but not worth that fee and is not top class. The way Atletico play makes him look better in my opinion. They defend well as a team and usually have quite a few players behind the ball so he's hardly ever exposed. He isn't worth that fee and will be 30 in September, so not for me.
I'm pretty sure for in or around 30m we could get one of Hummels (25), Subotic (25), Chiellini (29), Benatia (27), Garay (27) or even Marquinhos (20) . All who are better and younger (bar Chiellini but he's one of the worlds best)
Maybe they confusing us with Man City.
I can't imagine why we wouldn't pay €30m for a guy with a couple of good seasons behind him in Europe and who isn't far off 30.
And confusing him with Thiago Silva.
I'd prefer Samantha. A real goer and much more flexible.
Just looked on wiki - he must have been about 20 or so when he played in France? Bit harsh judging him on that.
As Orton said he's been very good for more than one season, and he makes a valid point about international caps for Brazil.
I agree that he's not worth the fee but don't see why people are saying the system makes him look better, it's pretty lazy I think. He's a class defender who has great recovery pace and is great at reading the game - that combination is useful in any system and I'm not sure what weakness he has that would be exposed if he moved from Atlético.
Finally someone that's not bothered by how much a players costs, we are in this mess as we don't pay the bloody money.
Spend spend spend
United have young centre backs already. If we bring in a younger player it will only hold up the progress of Smalling and Jones.
It's an immediate answer that's needed, a player in their prime and full of confidence.
Not many of those are for sale, and I'm betting one more centre back is on the way in anyway.
24 million is a lot, but how much money did failure cost the club under Moyes? How much will a second season outside Champions League football cost? How much will it strengthen the likes of Liverpool?
It's an immediate answer that's needed, a player in their prime and full of confidence.
Not many of those are for sale, and I'm betting one more centre back is on the way in anyway.
24 million is a lot, but how much money did failure cost the club under Moyes? How much will a second season outside Champions League football cost? How much will it strengthen the likes of Liverpool?
He is a good center back but he is not good enough to command a 30m price tag. Like Dante they are not very good, if he was available for a price around 10m okay, but not for 30.
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Especially if you plan to dominate the ball and commit players forward at pace. We lack real pace at centre-half when Smalling isn't picked there and it has meant we have had to defend deep, concede a lot of territorial advantage and are not in a position to pin teams back. Miranda would be a good buy, overpriced yes, but he's just won the Spanish title and played in a European Cup final whereas we finished seventh and aren't even in Europe. We're going to have to overpay for Champions league level players.
Sorry but I just don't think he's top class. Not even the best CB at Atletico. If we bring in I hope I'm wrong.
You say that like it's a damning indication of his quality. The same Atletico that have the best defence in Europe yeah?
Can't see us paying 30 million for a 29 year old CB.
More to do with how they defend as a unit rather than individual players. If we pay 30mil for a 29yr old defender, he has to be top notch. Not one that excels in a particular system.
No doubt they've done well but as I've said I think the system they play in makes it easier for the CB. The whole team from the strikers to the defenders defend brilliantly as a unit.
It's a bit like Chelsea with Cahill and Terry. No doubt they're good centre backs but the system makes them look better. Feel free disagree but it's just my opinion.
I'd question the fee for a 29 year old....but well David Luiz ruins any of that.
He's better than Godín in my view. They compliment each other well but Miranda is definitely the more naturally talented of the two, while Godín is the grittier one who knows all the sly tricks.
@Varun - I agree that his price is too much to pay, but what makes you think Miranda wouldn't be capable in a different system? What does he lack? You could say the "he fits the system" thing for every top centre back around surely?
To be fair I know exactly what you mean. I'm in agreement that he's worth nowhere near the figure reported, but I've been really impressed with him and the Atletico defence as a whole, they have been nothing short of phenomenal. But yes, it would be risky to expect him to take his form this season when in a completely different defensive set up.
Fair enough. I think he's a good centre back just a bit unsure about how he will adapt and he will be 30 soon. If this is true then I hope he's a success. It would still mean Smalling/Evans/Jones should get ample opportunities.
If we are signing him, its a crude and smart move by Woodward. There wont be that much competition and if Barca think hes good enough then he is good enough for us. We desperately need to replace Vidic and Rio with this kind of player, experienced at the highest level and rock solid defensively.
I dont know much about him, except he is a big unit, great at defending set plays. But if you are like me and wondering que? well most of Athletico wins last season that won them the title came from an absolute sterness at the back, many of their wins being 1-0, 2-1 affairs. To me that shows that their defense is as much to praise as their attack in the title win. If we are addressing a hole in defense with a title winning and experienced defender who can dig in when the ebb of a game is against them then 24m seems like an extremely good fee and great value. I hope we are looking at another CB ideally Hummels, the problem I see is that this guy is probably second or third choice behind Hummels and Benatia.
Perhaps we have a problem with how many players we want, Dortmund wont sell Reus AND Hummels to us so weve given up on Hummels and got Miranda instead? Roma wont sell us Benatia AND Strootman so weve decided on Strootman and Miranda?
I dont know much about him, except he is a big unit, great at defending set plays. But if you are like me and wondering que? well most of Athletico wins last season that won them the title came from an absolute sterness at the back, many of their wins being 1-0, 2-1 affairs. To me that shows that their defense is as much to praise as their attack in the title win. If we are addressing a hole in defense with a title winning and experienced defender who can dig in when the ebb of a game is against them then 24m seems like an extremely good fee and great value. I hope we are looking at another CB ideally Hummels, the problem I see is that this guy is probably second or third choice behind Hummels and Benatia.
Perhaps we have a problem with how many players we want, Dortmund wont sell Reus AND Hummels to us so weve given up on Hummels and got Miranda instead? Roma wont sell us Benatia AND Strootman so weve decided on Strootman and Miranda?
I doubt we're going for that age bracket, but he's a top class player and it was surprising that he didn't make into La Liga's team of the season
I'm not saying he definitely wouldnt be good in a different system, its impossible to say. My comment was about you saying he's part of Europe's best defence. That doesnt make him worth 30mil in my book as the system plays a huge role. He definitely looks like a very good CB fwiw but my point was that he isnt worth 30mil. If we could get him cheaper, I'd be all for it. But 30mil for a 29yr old defender only makes sense for the real top CBs. Also, I've only seen him this year, dont really know whether he was this good earlier.
David Luiz just turned 27 though, Miranda will be 30 by the time the league starts.
Anyway I'm hoping it's just more rumours, how many times have we been told a done is deal only to be rejected.
Thankfully the Glazers are slow to part with funds for players that are in their 30's that will have no resale value.
Name a list of better, available and cheaper centre backs please?
I don't think there's really many around.
No problem with that. At his age and quality he's the type of player who I'd be fighting to keep if he was at my club but wouldn't be going out of my way (or paying such a high fee) to get if he wasn't.
30m euros for a 29 year old defender would be stupid.
Since we don't know who is available, this is my list: Garay, Benatia, Bonucci, Subotic, Piqué, Alex and Vertonghen.
And even for 40m they are cheaper since the club who buy them doesn't have to buy a new center back in two years. Except for Alex.
This is a nonsense story.
Pique, Alex, Vertonghen, Subotic? Are you serious?
Barca seemed ready to pay the full price.
I think United supporters have gotten used to buying young players when our starters were doing the job. We just lost Rio and Vidic, so it's time for the fire hose.
Plus we don't have to wait until after the World Cup to bring him in. He'll come rested and ready rather than exhausted from a summer at the World Cup.
I think United supporters have gotten used to buying young players when our starters were doing the job. We just lost Rio and Vidic, so it's time for the fire hose.
Plus we don't have to wait until after the World Cup to bring him in. He'll come rested and ready rather than exhausted from a summer at the World Cup.
Your point being ?
Benatia who's as good and would be much cheaper and Marquinhos who's a superb talent. Maybe even Garay but that's more from what I hear about him than having seen a lot of him.
Again, as I said, it not about whether or not we can get someone better for cheaper as it is about it being stupid to pay 30mil for a 29yr old CB when he isnt among the best around. That kind of money specially at that age should be reserved for the top CBs.