Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch

Today's game is meaningless. United were horrible. Worst game of the season and one of the worst in a decade. We would have torn them apart on counters, if we were not utter trash.

For a longer, more thoughtful analysis, refer to @Brwned's post below:

Every manager from Klopp to Guardiola to Mourinho has said that when you're playing 3 games in a week, you basically don't have any time to do any serious training. You've got rest, conditioning and basic training. So to think that Arteta has done that in just one of those weeks is just a tad far-fetched. Playing a more aggressive pressing style and allowing players to play their natural game in possession is not particularly impressive...it's exactly what Ole did, which people bizarrely seem to have forgotten about. And Arteta faces the same obvious challenge that Ole did - the conditioning isn't right to sustain that kind of football for an entire game, never mind half a season. It might well be that Arteta can channel a mixture of Guardiola and Wenger but to believe that's already started now is pretty ridiculous...
 
Every manager from Klopp to Guardiola to Mourinho has said that when you're playing 3 games in a week, you basically don't have any time to do any serious training. You've got rest, conditioning and basic training. So to think that Arteta has done that in just one of those weeks is just a tad far-fetched. Playing a more aggressive pressing style and allowing players to play their natural game in possession is not particularly impressive...it's exactly what Ole did, which people bizarrely seem to have forgotten about. And Arteta faces the same obvious challenge that Ole did - the conditioning isn't right to sustain that kind of football for an entire game, never mind half a season. It might well be that Arteta can channel a mixture of Guardiola and Wenger but to believe that's already started now is pretty ridiculous...


Maybe, but it's a delicious win all the same.
 
He's not achieved anything yet but he definitely has potential. Studied under one of the best around and has always seemed like a smart and astute guy.
 
What is his very defined style? After 3 games in a week where’s he probably had no chance to install a real style and just fine game by game and told the players to run around more?

I’m finding these comments about how he’s clearly a class manager and he’ll only improve and he’s playing with a style already so weird!

They’re running around more and having their new manager bounce. Atleast give it a month or two to start drooling over his amazing style of play

It's still very early to evaluate how he's doing but even before becoming Arsenal's manager he has been talked to be someone who could become a class manager to the point of being offered being part of Pochettino's and Guardiola's staff. I think he also got offered a job at Arsenal, so even without watching him in action I was already curious about him in a manager role. His style of play should be something in the same wavelength as Guardiola. So yeah, let's wait to see how he does but I do want him to do well in there and be able to implement his style there.
 
He's not achieved anything yet but he definitely has potential. Studied under one of the best around and has always seemed like a smart and astute guy.

If "studying under" were an indication for anything, then we have two of those - Phelan and Ole both "studied under" SAF. Or is SAF not as good as Pep? Because that would be laughable.
 
If "studying under" were an indication for anything, then we have two of those - Phelan and Ole both "studied under" SAF. Or is SAF not as good as Pep? Because that would be laughable.

Ole coached the reserves for awhile he wasn't exactly working directly with SAF in the first team. Phelan did have a few chances as a manager based on his time working with SAF but I don't think he was ever really tipped for success.

I don't think there's anything wrong with saying Arteta has potential. By definition it means he 'might' come good.Everyone speaks highly of him and Poch, Pep and Arsenal all wanted him as part of their coaching setup. Only time will tell.
 
Nice 3 points to start the decade off, takes us out of the clutches of some relegation wobbles.

Whatever you think of Arteta’s style or experience, he appears to be doing what Emery couldn’t, which is get through to the players and get them working.
 
Ole coached the reserves for awhile he wasn't exactly working directly with SAF in the first team. Phelan did have a few chances as a manager based on his time working with SAF but I don't think he was ever really tipped for success.

I don't think there's anything wrong with saying Arteta has potential. By definition it means he 'might' come good.Everyone speaks highly of him and Poch, Pep and Arsenal all wanted him as part of their coaching setup. Only time will tell.
Yeah the key thing is that a good coach does not make a good manager. It's a massive difference and not remotely close to the same thing. He might be good, but I'd say his qualities as a coach have little relevance to what he can be as a manager.
 
Nice 3 points to start the decade off, takes us out of the clutches of some relegation wobbles.

Whatever you think of Arteta’s style or experience, he appears to be doing what Emery couldn’t, which is get through to the players and get them working.
Because Emery never won a single game in his time at Arsenal? Remember all the early optimism when Emery took over?

The love in is worse than we were with Ole ffs... people seemingly believing he is Guardiola mk2 because he was part of his coaching staff?
 
Because Emery never won a single game in his time at Arsenal? Remember all the early optimism when Emery took over?

The love in is worse than we were with Ole ffs... people seemingly believing he is Guardiola mk2 because he was part of his coaching staff?

I think it’s just football supporters (human condition) showing a bit of faith and optimism. No need to get upset, it’s quite common really.
 
Because Emery never won a single game in his time at Arsenal? Remember all the early optimism when Emery took over?

The love in is worse than we were with Ole ffs... people seemingly believing he is Guardiola mk2 because he was part of his coaching staff?

No one in world football rated Ole as a manager. Great managers heaped praise on Arteta. The best manager in the world swears by him and Wenger and Pochettino speaks highly of him. But what do they know. Arteta was offered coach job before he retired. Then almost got the main job and he went to city and became their nr 2 guy and a guy they thought could replace Pep when he leaves. Also listen to him and listen to Ole and I know who sounds and act like a big manager and who acts like a guy who is managing Norwich.
 
If "studying under" were an indication for anything, then we have two of those - Phelan and Ole both "studied under" SAF. Or is SAF not as good as Pep? Because that would be laughable.
Ole coached the reserves for awhile he wasn't exactly working directly with SAF in the first team. Phelan did have a few chances as a manager based on his time working with SAF but I don't think he was ever really tipped for success.

I don't think there's anything wrong with saying Arteta has potential. By definition it means he 'might' come good.Everyone speaks highly of him and Poch, Pep and Arsenal all wanted him as part of their coaching setup. Only time will tell.
Not quite the answer. The reason why it's more likely a Pep understudy succeeds than a Fergie understudy is due to the types of managers they were. Fergie was one of the greatest man managers. He wasn't some technical mastermind that went into every detail so that his team could succeed. Thus, the understudy isn't going to get the best education for managing under Fergie. They would be missing the key ingredient in what makes Fergie successful, being one of the greatest man managers which is down to personality, and an instinct that allows him to make key decisions at the right moment. Under Pep, they can learn a philosophy that is very technical that they then can apply when they're managers. Now of course, that doesn't mean they'll be as successful as Pep. Pep has to have something extra that allowed him to be as successful as he is, but I would argue that on the spectrum his man management isn't as great as Fergie's is. Therefore, the Fergie understudy is left to try and replicate Fergie's man management, which is much harder to replicate.
 
Today's game is meaningless. United were horrible. Worst game of the season and one of the worst in a decade. We would have torn them apart on counters, if we were not utter trash.

For a longer, more thoughtful analysis, refer to @Brwned's post below:
Amazing insight there :lol:

"If we were better we would have won. But we weren't, so we didn't. So the game was meaningless"
 
He's not achieved anything yet but he definitely has potential. Studied under one of the best around and has always seemed like a smart and astute guy.
So, you judging footballer/manager by their appearance. Mikel may have a good professional dressing sense, studious look yet it means nothing...
 
So, you judging footballer/manager by their appearance. Mikel may have a good professional dressing sense, studious look yet it means nothing...
At the age of 37 he has been assisting manager for one of the best teams in the world and managing UKs 3rd biggest club already. That is impressive already
 
Nice 3 points to start the decade off, takes us out of the clutches of some relegation wobbles.

Whatever you think of Arteta’s style or experience, he appears to be doing what Emery couldn’t, which is get through to the players and get them working.

I mean this is the manager bounce effect right now, look at Moyes, Pearson etc.

We even experienced it ourselves with Ole when he took over, the real results of his work will come along in a years time.
 
Deserves credit for the effort he had the Arsenal players putting in last night. That was pretty much the difference between the two sides. It was not a tactical masterclass but an Arsenal team showing more intensity than I can remember for a very, very long time.
 
What's Arteta style of play?? It's called Juego De Posicion or Positional Play.. He learned it at La Massia and mastered it as an assisstant to the best example of that schooll of thought - Pep Guardiola..He will need time and of course transfers to implement it at Arsenal though but its obvious that from the very first training session he and his staff will work hard with the players to do so.
 
Arteta has had at least 3 major training sessions and had short one on New Years on the day of the game in the morning which is unusual. However I’m surprised how fast he’s had an effect on the way the team plays.

I think contrary to what people are claiming, the players aren’t “just running harder”. If you’ve seen much of Arsenal this season you’ll realise that we’re playing with an actual game plan. Build up play at back is much smarter and we’re taking our time moving ball around before finding the space. The 2nd half of the games against Chelsea and Man Utd were identical. Although the players were knackered and we struggled going forward, defensively we were much more compact and organised. I think this was highlighted by the fact that both Chelsea and Utd struggled to create anything.

Agree we should wait before really judging Arteta. It’s clear that he has a lot of talent and potential when it comes to tactics and in game management. It would be interesting to see how he is when it comes to building squads, long term man management and how he handles the pressure when results aren’t going his way.
 
Overrating of him has started to begin. What else to expect for the people of caf. Overrate anything that our rivals do.
 
Overrating of him has started to begin. What else to expect for the people of caf. Overrate anything that our rivals do.

exactly, it’s quite funny.

super Arteta now has implemented a style in a week and clearly shows in game management and amazing tactics, all in the space of 3 games in a week, even though they’ve won one out of 3.

people must forget how amazing ole was with his tactics and style and whatever other nonsense it is when he came in and went on a winning streak.
 
Arteta has had at least 3 major training sessions and had short one on New Years on the day of the game in the morning which is unusual. However I’m surprised how fast he’s had an effect on the way the team plays.

I think contrary to what people are claiming, the players aren’t “just running harder”. If you’ve seen much of Arsenal this season you’ll realise that we’re playing with an actual game plan. Build up play at back is much smarter and we’re taking our time moving ball around before finding the space. The 2nd half of the games against Chelsea and Man Utd were identical. Although the players were knackered and we struggled going forward, defensively we were much more compact and organised. I think this was highlighted by the fact that both Chelsea and Utd struggled to create anything.

Agree we should wait before really judging Arteta. It’s clear that he has a lot of talent and potential when it comes to tactics and in game management. It would be interesting to see how he is when it comes to building squads, long term man management and how he handles the pressure when results aren’t going his way.
Whatever he has done and is trying to implement has been significantly aided by the fact the players are "just running harder", though.

You mentioned yourself how knackered the team was in both recent games, with players even queuing up to go off because of cramp or fatigue last night because of said running.
 
Arteta has had at least 3 major training sessions and had short one on New Years on the day of the game in the morning which is unusual. However I’m surprised how fast he’s had an effect on the way the team plays.

I think contrary to what people are claiming, the players aren’t “just running harder”. If you’ve seen much of Arsenal this season you’ll realise that we’re playing with an actual game plan. Build up play at back is much smarter and we’re taking our time moving ball around before finding the space. The 2nd half of the games against Chelsea and Man Utd were identical. Although the players were knackered and we struggled going forward, defensively we were much more compact and organised. I think this was highlighted by the fact that both Chelsea and Utd struggled to create anything.

Agree we should wait before really judging Arteta. It’s clear that he has a lot of talent and potential when it comes to tactics and in game management. It would be interesting to see how he is when it comes to building squads, long term man management and how he handles the pressure when results aren’t going his way.

Good post.

Judging a manager after three matches is insanity. But its obvious to anybody who has actually watched Arsenal consistently that the team is playing with a different set of ideas and directions already (even if one that is not yet fully formed and implemented), not just playing harder due to the magical new manager bounce. Our shape is different in possession and we're using different combinations to build play, we're pressing more aggressively (in spurts) from the front, and we're defending in our own half more compactly with more involvement from the forwards. Whether it works in the long run is anybody's guess but its certainly different than how we played under Emery.

Arteta still has everything to prove as a manager. But the signs are promising so far.
 
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exactly, it’s quite funny.

super Arteta now has implemented a style in a week and clearly shows in game management and amazing tactics, all in the space of 3 games in a week, even though they’ve won one out of 3.

people must forget how amazing ole was with his tactics and style and whatever other nonsense it is when he came in and went on a winning streak.
The funny part is they were not even that good. Their first goal was the first real chance of the game. They were lucky they were playing a side who looked like they hardly cared. We did not even try int he first half to compete, making Arsenal look even better. Judging Arteta after just 3 games is really idiotic. All they are doing so far is playing with more intensity which is what happens when a new manager comes. Style wise they still look sloppy in possession and Arteta would need more time to fix that.
 
exactly, it’s quite funny.

super Arteta now has implemented a style in a week and clearly shows in game management and amazing tactics, all in the space of 3 games in a week, even though they’ve won one out of 3.

people must forget how amazing ole was with his tactics and style and whatever other nonsense it is when he came in and went on a winning streak.
I had to laugh last night when Keown said during the game something like "Arteta is constantly giving the players information, NEW information, and they are taking it all on board". Giddy as feck, he was.
 
Whatever he has done and is trying to implement has been significantly aided by the fact the players are "just running harder", though.

You mentioned yourself how knackered the team was in both recent games, with players even queuing up to go off because of cramp or fatigue last night because of said running.

Same thing happened here when Ole came in. It's called the new manager bounce. Be interesting to see how Arsenal progress under him
 
exactly, it’s quite funny.

super Arteta now has implemented a style in a week and clearly shows in game management and amazing tactics, all in the space of 3 games in a week, even though they’ve won one out of 3.

people must forget how amazing ole was with his tactics and style and whatever other nonsense it is when he came in and went on a winning streak.

Arteta sprinkled some of that magic he learned from Pep, all over Arsenal players legs and - voila! Much anticipated magic occurred :lol:
 
I had to laugh last night when Keown said during the game something like "Arteta is constantly giving the players information, NEW information, and they are taking it all on board". Giddy as feck, he was.
ARsenal fans getting giddy makes sense. It's our own so called fans who are overrating him is funny. Hey look how good they are, didn't Ole also do the same last year. Arteta should not be judged for another month.
 
I had to laugh last night when Keown said during the game something like "Arteta is constantly giving the players information, NEW information, and they are taking it all on board". Giddy as feck, he was.
He was making me sick in my mouth during that match yesterday
 
Arteta sprinkled some of that magic he learned from Pep, all over Arsenal players legs and - voila! Much anticipated magic occurred :lol:

Yeah, Arteta is even better than Guardiola himself. We won against City but lost against Arsenal, who have much worse players. They say you're only as good as your last game so Arteta must be the best manager in world football on current form.
 
I like him already. He looks like he knows what he wants, and he tries as much as he can to get it across to the players.
 
What Arteta has done so far is nothing more than what we saw when Ole came in - an ex player returning, instilling hope, after a downward spiral with some player discontent and some controversy (read: Xhaka). He's made them run and fight again.

Yesterday wasn't that impressive. We were atrocious first half. And then had proper momentum for about 30 minutes of the second - just weren't good enough to do anything about it. Even when we had Rashford, Tony, Greenwood, Pereira and Mata on at the same time they didn't really create any meaningful chances, and fecked up every counter attacking opportunity.

They'll have a honeymoon period. And then we'll see what's what.
 
DLuiz gave an interesting interview. After the game he basically admitted that they're struggling on a physical level.
What has been Emery doing with the team?
 
Curious as to whether the same people dismissing this game as the "new manager bounce" also dismissed the loss against Chelsea as "a freak loss"

Actually, not curious.
 
DLuiz gave an interesting interview. After the game he basically admitted that they're struggling on a physical level.
What has been Emery doing with the team?
Maybe the players just gave up on him and his methods. This has become a new trend in modern football where players just give up once they lose the trust in the management.
 
Crazy how similar this is to Ole. :lol:

Blowing teams out of the park in the first half on pure effort, extreme tiredness in the second and defending deep while the fans are hoping this is somehow a temporary fitness problem because of the lethargic play style of the previous manager. Pretty sure they will have some inspirational win in the Europa League at some point before reality sets in.
 
What Arteta has done so far is nothing more than what we saw when Ole came in - an ex player returning, instilling hope, after a downward spiral with some player discontent and some controversy (read: Xhaka). He's made them run and fight again.

Yesterday wasn't that impressive. We were atrocious first half. And then had proper momentum for about 30 minutes of the second - just weren't good enough to do anything about it. Even when we had Rashford, Tony, Greenwood, Pereira and Mata on at the same time they didn't really create any meaningful chances, and fecked up every counter attacking opportunity.

They'll have a honeymoon period. And then we'll see what's what.

Exactly this. A new manager always manages to squeeze out an extra few % from players. A great manager continues to motivate players to keep working hard (SAF’s best attribute, in my opinion, and Wenger to a lesser extent). Some managers add tactical nous but are unable to maintain the same levels of motivation (Mourinho, maybe Guardiola).
 
Let's forget football for a moment and talk about how 37 year old person is impersonating not only tactics, but even the reactions, celebrations, and even fecking dressing style from his collegue. I don't care if he becomes the best manager in history, it's just embarassing stuff. You see that from 14 year olds that are impersonating their favourite footballer, but even they grow it out in few years, he is 37 ffs.
If they hired a more "qualified" manager like Moyes or Ancelotti they would have put 5 past us, thank goodness for the inexperienced fraud.
Crazy how similar this is to Ole. :lol:

Blowing teams out of the park in the first half on pure effort, extreme tiredness in the second and defending deep while the fans are hoping this is somehow a temporary fitness problem because of the lethargic play style of the previous manager. Pretty sure they will have some inspirational win in the Europa League at some point before reality sets in.

Arsenal dominating wasn't just through sheer effort and energy, there was structure to what they were doing, mainly the '5 second win back the ball rule'. It's pretty obvious that once Arteta fitness levels are reached, they are going to be dangerous.

Am I the only one of the forum who thinks Arsenal have struck gold with Arteta?