Capello was pretty much hoping that scholes would play that was his entire plan in 2010.
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I can't help but feel it's a pointless experiment. A year/18 months from now, I can see everyone and Lee Dixon saying "I don't know why Wilshire's playing DM. He's a CM, he's never been a DM..."
I can't see him ever being useful as a DM against top opposition so what is the point. Aside from a negligible benefit of him experiencing a new position. Lampard has also played DM for England and I don't remember it doing much for his game.
It's this kind of thinking that has kept Carrick out the side for the last 8 years, whilst we tried to fit a system around all the popular players. But in this case swap popular for young. It's square pegs in round holes.
I get the future planning side of the argument, but putting Carrick at the heart of it would provide some stability for the youngsters around him to grow into the England fold. The England team might be in a better position in a couple of years time to address DM.
But right now Carrick is the only one who can truly play that position and bring the best out of those around him.
if only we had someone to play the Michael Carrick role at the world cup, instead of insisting Gerrard could
Michael is vital for us and England, got to keep him fit then it will be onwards and upwards. Replacing him with the right player will also be vital.
Reading all these journo's suddenly jumping on the wagon, writing articles about how its such a crime that Carrick never got a look in for England etc etc makes me sick. I don't remember these same people crying out for Carrick at any point over the past 8 years. Don't pretend you always thought Carrick was the answer just because its now 'fashionable' to rate him. Tossers.
To be fair Adrian Durham on Talksport has always banged the Carrick drum and now his opinion has been justified.
It's not to fit the popular players in, I'd much rather be playing Wilshere ahead of Carrick and not having to deal with Delph in midfield. The difference is that we don't have anyone else, nothing to do with popularity.
We go to France a year on, another year on the clock for an ageing Carrick who's become quite susceptible to injuries recently, do we really think he can play every single game in a major tournament? Against the best sides I'm in complete agreement, Wilshere isn't good enough, but who else is? There's literally no one else that could do a better job in the absence of Carrick.
We're going to have to have a contingency plan, and Wilshere is not only the next best we have, but subsequently our only real option for when Carrick retires from international football, where there's no guarantee we'll have produced the next Michael Carrick by that stage. Taking that into consideration, it's much more beneficial for us to play Wilshere in a slightly unfamiliar position and create a plan B for the time being than be left utterly confused of what to do if Carrick isn't available.
He brought Heskey to south Africa and started him. All you need to know really.
Didn't Heskey injure Rio out there and we lost him for the tournament as well?
I think so. What a terrible tournament besides Germany and Forlan.
Delph is no better than Noble, Cleverly, Cattermole. Henderson is a little bit better as he can play a bit but none of them compare to Carrick. England better hope they find a gem of a player before he retires, otherwise they'll have to rely on the latter. Its all down to Southampton now lol.
What I hate about this whole scenario, is that the media is now forcing the hand of the England manager to pick Carrick. If these managers couldn't see the value of Carrick then they will just pick the next "hyped up" player.
Carrick deserves the plaudits as most United fans would agree, but our media is so fickle that next month it will be someone else again.
Carrick deserves the plaudits as most United fans would agree, but our media is so fickle that next month it will be someone else again.
I honestly think Carrick won't end up getting picked for the Euro's... it seems like the England/Carrick thing to happen.
Its been said millions of times now but in Italy Carrick would be regarded as one of the best midfielders to ever grace Seria A.
Or in Spain. He'd of been viewed as up there with Alonso, Busquets etc as a top top #6
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/utd-sign-carrick.121630/ stumbled upon this thread from when we were about to sign him ,good fun.
yes mr 440 posts many on here had some push back. i thought we waited too long and paid too much when he was available for a fraction of the price from wham. but never thought he was good enough to replace keane , which is not true the way football has chg'd. but then again do you even know who roy keane is or ever saw him play? because bringingup old posts is how you say - cun7ish.
This is the perfect post for hindsight. His fee was well worth it.
didn't spurs pay 3-4m for him? arsed.
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What an idiotic post that is , how is the number of posts I have made relevant here . I didn't tag anyone or any post but just posted the whole thread about how people reacted when he was signed .
we already knew that. there are differing opinions on everyone signed by the club , this place would need a special forum for signings and opinions , oh right the transfer forum.. what's next berba? RVP?
fuc4ing childish.
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I posted the Carrick/Wilshere comments from Hodgson before the last game, but I didn't realise he reiterated it after the game:
“You [the media] made Jack Wilshere our best man in our matches in the autumn and I am sure he will have something to say but I have always been an admirer of Michael’s and am delighted to see him back. If both of them are fit I might have to a) find some way of tweaking the formations, or b) pick one of them. That would be tough.”
It's astonishing. They're completely different players. and shouldn't be competing for the same spot (if so it's a competition Carrick should win). I hope Carrick retires from England soon. They don't deserve him.
“You [the media] made Jack Wilshere our best man in our matches in the autumn and I am sure he will have something to say but I have always been an admirer of Michael’s and am delighted to see him back. If both of them are fit I might have to a) find some way of tweaking the formations, or b) pick one of them. That would be tough.”
It's astonishing. They're completely different players. and shouldn't be competing for the same spot (if so it's a competition Carrick should win). I hope Carrick retires from England soon. They don't deserve him.
how many call ups did bruce and pally get in their pomp when the club was winning it all. then engerlund playing scholes out wide. ffs , england mgrs nedd to be vetted better.
I wonder if LvG will rest him against Villa.
Woy can't be that dense. Basically play Carrick as the holder and Henderson and Wilshire as the box to box CM's, it doesn't take a tactical genius to figure this out.
Woy can't be that dense. Basically play Carrick as the holder and Henderson and Wilshire as the box to box CM's, it doesn't take a tactical genius to figure this out.
Agree, his comments are baffling. Wilshere's biggest asset is his ability to run with the ball but it's also what makes him completely unsuitable for the holding position. Beats 5 men, runs out of ideas and gets tackled high up the pitch which is basically suicide.
It's so weird that he thinks they play the same position.
Well technically they do play the same position as Jack has always been playing as the deepest midfielder for England lately. The obvious solution is to push Jack forward into Delph's spot which it sounds like he might just do as he says it would be tough to pick just one of them.
Saw Collymore say that Carrick still has a lot to prove.
If anyone ever happens to see Stan.
If anyone ever happens to see Stan.
It won't really matter with Wilshere cause he'll be injured anyway.
Collymore can feck off.
Collymore can feck off.
The glue of the team, it's going to be almost impossible to replace him 
No surprise Collymore making a tit out of himself.
Wilshere should pretty much just be taking Delph's position. It's not hard, but I guess Roy isn't the sharpest cucumber in the vegetable patch.
Carrick
Henderson - Wilshere
Sterling - Rooney - Young
That's what I'd be looking to if I was England manager at the moment.Henderson - Wilshere
Sterling - Rooney - Young
It's amazing how something so simple seems to be alluding him, I mean on top of that surely he's realized that Delph isn't good enough.
Young has had a solid season but I'd have Sterling on the left and either OX or Welbeck on the right.
Young over the Euro 2016 quali top goalscorer
Young over the Euro 2016 quali top goalscorer
"Carrick over Gerrard or Lampard
"I'm picking a system I think would be effective with the players I think would be best played in said system. Shoehorning the best players into a side isn't always the best route to winning matches.
I'd rather Rooney up front to Welbeck and I'd rather Young on the left wing to Welbeck. I think the job Young does on that wing is completely underrated, he sticks to the touch line much better and actually plays from wide and provides service. That width is key to letting Wilshere and Henderson find space.
I'd have Welbeck competing with Rooney centrally or Sterling on the right.
The hilarious thing about Carrick's current high rating in relation to England is that he'll be jettisoned as soon as an inferior player like Wilshere becomes available.
Carrick's opportunity to feature as a key player for England has been and gone. It's a joke that he's been overlooked, but we all know that those involved in the international scene are idiots.
Feck England.
Carrick's opportunity to feature as a key player for England has been and gone. It's a joke that he's been overlooked, but we all know that those involved in the international scene are idiots.
Feck England.
First i agree "Shoehorning the best players into a side isn't always the best route". That's the reason why Sturridge or Kane will only have a place on the bench for England."Carrick over Gerrard or Lampard
I'm picking a system I think would be effective with the players I think would be best played in said system. Shoehorning the best players into a side isn't always the best route to winning matches.
I'd rather Rooney up front to Welbeck and I'd rather Young on the left wing to Welbeck. I think the job Young does on that wing is completely underrated, he sticks to the touch line much better and actually plays from wide and provides service. That width is key to letting Wilshere and Henderson find space.
I'd have Welbeck competing with Rooney centrally or Sterling on the right.
But i think Welbeck can play very good in a 4-3-3......Welbeck on the wing in a 4-2-3-1 would get a "no" from me. And like said Welbeck scores plenty of goals for England in that position.
I've always liked Young and he plays very well this season but i want goals and assists from my players in a 4-3-3. Young deserves a place at the moment in the Manchester United team but rather sooner than later he must have more goals and assists or Di Maria will be back in the team.
If you take out Welbeck for Young in the England team then you have only Rooney as goalscorer......Sterling has scored his first England goal against Lithuania and the midfield trio Henderson/Carrick/Wilshere has scored 0 goals in 79 games for England.
Imagine if England had been smart enough to play:
Who would be the 2006 wingers?
Anyway, that team would have been amazing.
Neville Ferdinand Terry Cole
Carrick Scholes
Winger Gerrard Winger
Rooney
Carrick Scholes
Winger Gerrard Winger
Rooney
Who would be the 2006 wingers?
Anyway, that team would have been amazing.
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