Carrick Holding, Gerrard Box to Box and Lampard as the furthest forward of the three made so much sense yet was never ever tried by any English manager as far as I know.
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When England fail at the Euros, it'll be because Carrick is not Gerrard or Lampard... 
Didn't Hodgeson suggest before the last game that Carrick is just filling in till Wilshire gets back. Something along lines of, he thinks Carrick can come in and "do a job" at DM in Wilshire's absence
Didn't Hodgeson suggest before the last game that Carrick is just filling in till Wilshire gets back. Something along lines of, he thinks Carrick can come in and "do a job" at DM in Wilshire's absence
That was my understanding as well. Im sure I read something to that effect just in the last few days. Carrick still isnt first choice for England. Actually I can see point of this more now than I could in the past if they were able to keep Wilshere fit - which is a massive if. But I do like the idea of consistently picking a young England team that can stay together for the next few tournaments.When England fail at the Euros, it'll be because Carrick is not Gerrard or Lampard...
Didn't Hodgeson suggest before the last game that Carrick is just filling in till Wilshire gets back. Something along lines of, he thinks Carrick can come in and "do a job" at DM in Wilshire's absence
Watching that World Cup with Barry and Upson in the side (2010) getting ripped to pieces by Germany made me cry.
Edit: James fecking Milner too
To be honest, it is better for us if Carrick is not first choice. He's not young anymore and he can play a big role in us winning silverware. Roy Hodgson is just the latest in a number of criminally incompetent England managers.
When England fail at the Euros, it'll be because Carrick is not Gerrard or Lampard...
Didn't Hodgeson suggest before the last game that Carrick is just filling in till Wilshire gets back. Something along lines of, he thinks Carrick can come in and "do a job" at DM in Wilshire's absence
Ffs
England don't deserve Carrick, just like they didn't deserve Scholes.
The best bit about that whole debacle was the German team man marking every England player except Upson, who then didn't know what to do when in possession and resorted to long balls up to Defoe
Yep, he said he thinks Carrick can do a similar job to Wilshere... Which is completely idiotic in so many ways. He actually thinks that they are similar players first of all, and he thinks Wilshere is a better player then himWhen England fail at the Euros, it'll be because Carrick is not Gerrard or Lampard...
Didn't Hodgeson suggest before the last game that Carrick is just filling in till Wilshire gets back. Something along lines of, he thinks Carrick can come in and "do a job" at DM in Wilshire's absence
fecking madness really.Changed the course of the game for England tonight.
He is the best English midfielder about currently. It is a weak field but the fact remains.
Hes had one world cup game. England won that game.
I think Adrian Durham of talksport is one of the few who have said he should be playing more for quite a long time, but considering his WUM status, nobody took him seriously. Rest of the media preferred Lampard/Gerrard because...
I think Adrian Durham of talksport is one of the few who have said he should be playing more for quite a long time, but considering his WUM status, nobody took him seriously. Rest of the media preferred Lampard/Gerrard because...
The game completely changed once he was on the pitch. And England were even better once Henderson and Delph went off.
A clear gulf in intelligence between him and the other central midfielders on show tonight.
A clear gulf in intelligence between him and the other central midfielders on show tonight.
Been one of the best midfielders in the league every year since he's joined United really, bar the one bad year last season (and a bit after the loss against Barca where he was out of sorts for a couple of months).
When Gerrard, Scholes and Lampard were in their pomp is was easy to make the argument that he wasn't the best though.
Well yeah but even when they were at their best, he really should have been a starter for England, to sit at the base of the midfield and then play Scholes and one of Gerrard/Lampard in front of them. He's the type of player England has always needed there but constantly ignored. Might not be individually as good as Gerrard or Lampard at their best but he should have played all the same IMO.
Totally agree. It was the case of sacrificing a superstar for the good of the team. No England manager of that era could bring themselves to do it unfortunately. In that era both Gerrard and Lampard were voted into the top 3 of the Ballon D'Or, it was difficult.
While Scholes and Carrick were building the platform for one of United's most successful period's ever, winning PL's and the CL, one had already retired from the NT because of the constant misuses, and the other couldn't get a look in. All to accommodate media darlings Lampard and Gerrard, who proved game after game couldn't play together.
Its an utter joke. If both had been Italian/Spanish/French etc etc they'd have had the team built around them for years. All this talk about Carrick 'doing a job' or whatever while Wilshire is out, is an insult too. That little shite has nothing on Carrick.
Its an utter joke. If both had been Italian/Spanish/French etc etc they'd have had the team built around them for years. All this talk about Carrick 'doing a job' or whatever while Wilshire is out, is an insult too. That little shite has nothing on Carrick.
It's even more sad when you realize Spain dominated world football with a Busquets/Xabi Alonso axis, while some of the most talented attacking midfielders in the world out were left out of their starting 11.
How the likes of Barry and Parker used to get games ahead of him. Mental.
I'm actually sad that England has a sudden "Come to Jesus" moment and starting to selecting him when United would prefer he'd rest when not playing for the club.
Everyone keeps pointing out that he's underrated, so surely it's reached a point that he's no longer underrated..
Rooney having to point out it was Carrick who was the game changer when asked about the impact of Townsend and Barkeley in the itv post match interview...
It's quite sad how his international career has gone. He could have been a huge part of a good England team if he had been picked.
This, maddens me how Scholes was basically marginalised by two inferior players due to him being shy as a player #irony that he's a bobby bastard since becoming involved in the media
Ffs
England don't deserve Carrick, just like they didn't deserve Scholes.
Agreed.
Completely ignored Carrick until now - and his introduction today showed how important he now is. There's no replacement for his role available for us at this moment. If Woy thinks Wilshere can play that game then he's in for a shock.
The ship has sailed for Carrick to be honest. If England wanted him to have an Pirlo-esque impact to the national team, the team has to be tailored to him. That means retooling the midfield to get the best out of Carrick. Italy did that by having De Rossi for his physicality, and more than willing runners in Marchisio and Veratta. And those three have decent techniques and passing ability. That's not gonna happened for two reason, Hodgson would never have the balls to do it, and England also doesn't have anybody close to De Rossi, Marchisio and Veratta.
Carrick best chance was during 2008. He was at the peak of his game. I never understand why England never play Carrick-Scholes and Gerrard in midfield. Scholes and Carrick calming influence and discipline would balance out with Gerrard's weakness and bring out the best in those three
Carrick best chance was during 2008. He was at the peak of his game. I never understand why England never play Carrick-Scholes and Gerrard in midfield. Scholes and Carrick calming influence and discipline would balance out with Gerrard's weakness and bring out the best in those three
I've always found it funny that Scholes and Carrick, who were starting midfielders in Prem and CL winning teams back in 08, get ignored for Gerrard and Lampard in the 06 and 2010 World Cups. I know Scholes had retired by then, and I rate Lampard in a proper setup but it was just a funny quirk, in hindsight. All the better for us, to be honest.
I actually thought Capello would've rated Carrick as a deep lying playmaker, similar to how Van Gaal rates him now. But Capello's a successful manager and I'm not, so what do I know eh?
I actually thought Capello would've rated Carrick as a deep lying playmaker, similar to how Van Gaal rates him now. But Capello's a successful manager and I'm not, so what do I know eh?
Didn't Carrick pull out of an England game and capello then refused to select him?
Unfortunately for England, the mentality of Woy and others is that the player needs to be in the mold of players like Wilshere - with all kinds of angst and outward emotion to be a proper England player. Perhaps true in some sense that players like that in the PL make a difference but, on the international and European stage, players like Carrick are exactly what England and clubs need to succeed at the highest levels.
Good job by Rooney to make sure Carras got the right plaudits even if the media were inclined to go with the likes of Barkley and the "hero" Townsend.
I don't know what people expect Hodgson to do in fairness. Carricks England career isn't going to last past Euro '16 I doubt and we have no other holding midfielders on the horizon. I'm sure he's aware that Carrick is better than Wilshere, but Jack is our only hope of having anyone slightly good playing there for the National Team in the foreseeable future.
What kind of moron starts Jones in midfield when you have Carrick on the bench?
A pragmatic sensible moron that realises Carrick is 34 and played 90 minutes the other night and probably had a loose arrangement with clubs about running players into the ground on international duty?
Hmm. Didn't know he played against Lithuania. But I'd have thought playing Carrick against Italy would make more sense than him jogging around against the might of Lithuania.
Meh, the less time he played for his country probably increased the time he played for us. Was never burnt out with International football. Also doesn't have an ego so it would never effect him.
I for one am thankful he hasnt had the distraction of international football but its insulting a player whos been a mainstay in our teams and played a vital part in one of our best ever sides hasnt made any impact on the national side. Will be this eras Le Tissier in regards to England calls ups...
Also how did Barry play more times for the country than him?! Shocking in its own right
Would you play a full back at centreback because all your other centrebacks are too old? No, because of the knock on effect it will have on the rest of team (OK, thats a more extreme example).
Ultimately Wilshire is not going to cut it at DM against top opposition and by playing him out of position, you are stunting his progress. He's not going to become an adequate DM in the few occasions he meets up with the England team.
IMO, its would be better to play Carrick there for the foreseeable and allow him to build a platform for the rest to play before he is too old. You'd hope by then that there is enough cohesion in the midfield for someone to come in and settle at DM.
and I'd rather Carrick retired from England.
You're not stunting anyone's progress. The National side play a handful of games a season, that's not going to affect the way he develops with Arsenal who he trains with 4 times a week and can play up to 50 matches a season with (hypothetically of course in Wilshere's case). If anything, spells at DM may aid his development as it limits the amount he can drive from deep, meaning he has to be more opportunistic and make better decisions.
Like it or not, we've got no players who can play deep and our best option is Wilshere long term currently. He's good under pressure, can carry the ball when needed and has an excellent passing range. Many Arsenal fans actually argue that might even be a better role for him in midfield. It's not as if he's asking Hart to play striker.
You're forgetting this is England. You could have Paul 'F*cking' Scholes in there and the manager would still play two attacking midfielders in central midfield.
Oh wait, that actually happened!
Get ready for 10 years of Ross Barkley and Adam Lallana in central midfield.
Capello is the worst thing to happen to England in recent times. He was worse than Sven and that is saying something. He didnt select Richards as well when he was doing well for City.
Capello played Heskey upfront with Rooney at a world cup. Enough said.
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