Micah Richards - The Pundit

We dont get serious analysis most of the time.

Like last week Redknapp goes off on Tuchel for bringing on a goalkeeper which stats say is better at saving penalties, but cos it didnt work out, hindsight has that rant. Rubbish

Anyway, Micah is fine especially when Keane is there. I think from behind the scens you can see Keane and Micah get a long. Micah makes Keane laugh a lot and vice versa. (All those saying Keane should have punched him)

It is entertainment and the post match, I watched it because of the entertainment after the absolute disgusting display by our players on the pitch in that second half. Sometimes entertainment is needed.
 
The United should have gone for Conte line is redundant after the same panel has watched what Conte has been able to do with the Spurs side...there is nothing to suggest Conte would have this United side playing any better.
 
Hammondo said:
I was very happy with how Gary reacted to it, kept calm, didn't raise his voice, and highlighted the stupid shouting.
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He was needlessly condescending to be honest. I used to like Neville when he first started out but over the years he's morphed into this bizarre persona who thinks his half-baked theories are absolute stone cold facts.
 
Less than 2 mins after the rant redknapp and Micah were arguing there is no quick fix this is a long term thing to fix…after saying conte a short term man was the way to go…you couldn’t make it up. They are too busy trying to crap on United after a game everyone in football thought would be an easy game for city…why the hysteria…they’ve been doing this to us more or less for 3 years before SAF retired
 
I dont hate Richards, but his rant against Neville just made him look like an arm-chair pundit.
 
He could probably do with more strings to his bow than the infectious laugh thing.

But he should absolutely be allowed and encouraged to laugh at us, and If you're genuinely offended by someone taking the piss out of your football club then you are the problem, not them.
 
Whilst he can be entertaining, particularly with Roy Keane, I thought his personality and demeanour yesterday post the Man City match was an absolute disgrace. Gary Neville was remaining calm and answering the questions that were posed to him, but Richards was not even listening to him, speaking over him before Gary uttered 2 or 3 words. He was completely on one, and it really just felt like a shouting match for the sake of it. It didn't matter what Gary was going to say, he was going to shout it down with anything for the sake of it, to the point where it began to make me feel uncomfortable.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I dont hate Richards, but his rant against Neville just made him look like an arm-chair pundit.
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I mean... Neville talked over him, gave him rolling eyes and other condescension - all because Richards dared to not agree with Neville's theory that this whole Rangnick business is some sort of master plan. They both are arm chair pundits, but one thinks he's dispensing wisdom and that entitles him to treat other pundits like idiots.
 
do.ob said:
I mean... Neville talked over him, gave him rolling eyes and other condescension - all because Richards dared to not agree with Neville's theory that this whole Rangnick business is some sort of master plan. They both are arm chair pundits, but one thinks he's dispensing wisdom and that entitles him to treat other pundits like idiots.
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It is a master plan though. It’s the entire point of hiring him. It working is a different matter but Gary was 100 percent correct in his points.
 
That rant at Neville was a bit toe curling, wouldn't mind betting the producers were in his ear telling him to wind his neck in.
 
matt23 said:
He could probably do with more strings to his bow than the infectious laugh thing.

But he should absolutely be allowed and encouraged to laugh at us, and If you're genuinely offended by someone taking the piss out of your football club then you are the problem, not them.
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We are laughable but the context is huge. You could tell by Keane's face how it was received, and they are supposed to be mates. And they are in a professional context not pissed up at some bar full of kids.
 
cyberman said:
It is a master plan though. It’s the entire point of hiring him. It working is a different matter but Gary was 100 percent correct in his points.
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Has Rangnick's future been cleared up yet, beyond some completely undefined consultancy role? Neville just projects the hopes of a Man Utd fan into that blank space and sells it as fact. He then gets all condescending when Richards doesn't agree with it.
 
An absolute clown, like some moron in the pub who won't shut up.

Wouldn't be surprised if Keano has words with him off air, they've clearly been set up as this 'odd couple' for comedy value by Sky Sports but he's probably too stupid to realise that there is a line you don't really cross. Smirking like a school boy and then bursting out laughing after your colleague delivers a serious assessment is way past that line.
 
do.ob said:
I mean... Neville talked over him, gave him rolling eyes and other condescension - all because Richards dared to not agree with Neville's theory that this whole Rangnick business is some sort of master plan. They both are arm chair pundits, but one thinks he's dispensing wisdom and that entitles him to treat other pundits like idiots.
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I don't think Neville's reaction was because someone disagreed with him, he thrives on disagreement and debate, but Richards was literally roaring bollox. Look at the reaction of the others to giver Gary's reaction context.
 
do.ob said:
Has Rangnick's future been cleared up yet, beyond some completely undefined consultancy role? Neville just projects the hopes of a Man Utd fan into that blank space and sells it as fact. He then gets all condescending when Richards doesn't agree with it.
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No, but Gary did acknowledge that nothing was set in stone, amid the juvenile shouting.
 
moses said:
He was lucky Keane didn't deck him today when he burst out laughing. There wasn't much chemistry on show.
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Redcafe posters still thinking Keane can go around punching people. Micah would fold him in half and drop him off at your doorstep in an Amazon box. You guys need to let go of this man of steel image of Keane you guys have

anyways, his team are the big dogs now so I can’t fault his smugness, I’d be the same
 
TsuWave said:
Redcafe posters still thinking Keane can go around punching people. Micah would fold him in half and drop him off at your doorstep in an Amazon box. You guys need to let go of this man of steel image of Keane you guys have
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Don't be absurd. It's a figure of speech. Like your Amazon Box silliness.
 
do.ob said:
Has Rangnick's future been cleared up yet, beyond some completely undefined consultancy role? Neville just projects the hopes of a Man Utd fan into that blank space and sells it as fact. He then gets all condescending when Richards doesn't agree with it.
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I’m sure they’ll work on it before the end of the season (since we are seemingly weeks away from announcing a new manager) but it does seem like it’s a consultancy role as per advertised when he joined?
The thing about Ralph is nothing has changed, results kind of doesn’t matter. It’s still a rebuild this summer with a new manager with someone who has worked day in, day out with the squad working in tandem with him.
How can an interim be better than that? Or do we follow Micah and hire Conte who the board didn’t want in the first place so we can wait for someone we do want? This is honestly the first time I’ve seen our club look long term in years and to paint it negatively is ridiculous.
 
do.ob said:
I mean... Neville talked over him, gave him rolling eyes and other condescension - all because Richards dared to not agree with Neville's theory that this whole Rangnick business is some sort of master plan. They both are arm chair pundits, but one thinks he's dispensing wisdom and that entitles him to treat other pundits like idiots.
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Fair point. Gary was very condescending and it riled Micah up.
 
Richards was right yesterday. All this talking about a plan and more time.
We haven't won the the title in 9 years this season. In that period we've out spent everyone barring City possibly.

The time is now, we need to be winning now. We were 2nd last season and spent a lot in the summer.
We should be performing much better but Rangnicks just not up to the task.

Conte was the man. He wouldn't have needed a total rebuild to get us challenging.
 
moses said:
No, but Gary did acknowledge that nothing was set in stone, amid the juvenile shouting.
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Richards position seems to be that he's questioning whether it's the right thing to do for United to more or less write off the season.

Neville responds that: it's worth it, because Rangnick is going to pick the next coach, is going to restructure the club from within and is going to create some sort of list that will have consequences for the players. Most (all?) of that is wild speculation at this point and perhaps not even entirely logical, considering United already have people in place whose job it is to do all these things. Yet Neville presents it with such an impressive air of certainty and arrogance to Richards that I'm not surprised he got agitated - which - as a professional - he of course shouldn't have.
 
GMoore23 said:
Richards was right yesterday. All this talking about a plan and more time.
We haven't won the the title in 9 years this season. In that period we've out spent everyone barring City possibly.

The time is now, we need to be winning now. We were 2nd last season and spent a lot in the summer.
We should be performing much better but Rangnicks just not up to the task.

Conte was the man. He wouldn't have needed a total rebuild to get us challenging.
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So you think we should have gotten Conte even after his Spurs showing?

And you think this season's showing is on Rangnick. How do you explain the home games v Pool and City?
 
do.ob said:
Richards position seems to be that he's questioning whether it's the right thing to do for United to more or less write off the season.

Neville responds that: it's worth it, because Rangnick is going to pick the next coach, is going to restructure the club from within and is going to create some sort of list that will have consequences for the players. Most (all?) of that is wild speculation at this point and perhaps not even entirely logical, considering United already have people in place whose job it is to do all these things. Yet Neville presents it with an impressive air of certainty and arrogance to Richards that I'm not surprised he got agitated - which - as a professional - he of course shouldn't have.
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I think the season is a write-off regardless. I think the decision to go interim was a bit of an acknowledgement of that, maybe not consciously. People at the club must know what we are only seeing now.

On the bold bit, I'm not sure they do, and if they do, then they're not very good, thus the idea to get someone who could be the interim manager and then oversee a structural change as a consultant?
 
do.ob said:
Has Rangnick's future been cleared up yet, beyond some completely undefined consultancy role? Neville just projects the hopes of a Man Utd fan into that blank space and sells it as fact. He then gets all condescending when Richards doesn't agree with it.
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Why do people keep asking this? Hansi Fick asked it on the last page as well. We don't know what Rangnick's exact role will be, how could we? Does anyone know what anyone's precise role is in the upper management positions of football clubs? The facts are that he is a highly experienced 'club builder' (so to speak) who has been brought on as an interim manager, with an additional 2-year placement come the summer. Whether you want to disregard the notion that he will be involved when he transitions to the backroom staff is up to you, but the plan is surely quite obvious. He'll have managed the team for over half a year, his opinion you'd have thought will be well regarded, and he's got another 2 years left on his contract.

Technically Richard Arnold is the only senior figure that can sanction official decisions, though Murtough, Marcel Bout, Fletcher (and Rangnick in due course) etc. will obviously be very significant parts of the decision-making processes.
 
Gary should've listened to Micah's rant instead of calling him emotional and telling him to stop ranting. Very unprofessional. And Micah looked liked a child when he started looking out of window when Neville gave his opinion. Bet Sky loved it though.
 
moses said:
So you think we should have gotten Conte even after his Spurs showing?

And you think this season's showing is on Rangnick. How do you explain the home games v Pool and City?
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Of course we should have gotten Conte. You can't compare Spurs to us, they've spent pittance compared to us and didn't finish 2nd last season.
Conte would have been perfect for 2/3 seasons then we could have rebuilt.

Rangnick has had one of the easiest PL runs I've ever seen yet still couldn't impress.
I knew we were in for a hiding yesterday and there's more on the way now that we're playing proper teams again.

He's been the most underwhelming appointment for me.
 
GMoore23 said:
Of course we should have gotten Conte. You can't compare Spurs to us, they've spent pittance compared to us and didn't finish 2nd last season.
Conte would have been perfect for 2/3 seasons then we could have rebuilt.

Rangnick has had one of the easiest PL runs I've ever seen yet still couldn't impress.
I knew we were in for a hiding yesterday and there's more on the way now that we're playing proper teams again.

He's been the most underwhelming appointment for me.
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We didn't fancy Conte which leads me to believe we've always wanted someone else. Poch perhaps. If there's a plan with Ralf going upstairs it could work far better than appointing Conte for a shorter term.
 
GMoore23 said:
Of course we should have gotten Conte. You can't compare Spurs to us, they've spent pittance compared to us and didn't finish 2nd last season.
Conte would have been perfect for 2/3 seasons then we could have rebuilt.

Rangnick has had one of the easiest PL runs I've ever seen yet still couldn't impress.
I knew we were in for a hiding yesterday and there's more on the way now that we're playing proper teams again.

He's been the most underwhelming appointment for me.
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And we'd be in the same predicament as we were with Mourinho. Spending a shit ton of money on some Serie A rejects and winning feck all.
 
GMoore23 said:
Of course we should have gotten Conte. You can't compare Spurs to us, they've spent pittance compared to us and didn't finish 2nd last season.
Conte would have been perfect for 2/3 seasons then we could have rebuilt.

Rangnick has had one of the easiest PL runs I've ever seen yet still couldn't impress.
I knew we were in for a hiding yesterday and there's more on the way now that we're playing proper teams again.

He's been the most underwhelming appointment for me.
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I don't like Conte, and we really do need a cultural and structural rebuild which is not his bag.

But yeah, they are fair points, but I'm reluctant to ignore how we actually played before he arrived. And yes he hasn't had much of an effect but I'm hesitant to think anything other than he faced a really tricky task.
 
do.ob said:
I mean... Neville talked over him, gave him rolling eyes and other condescension - all because Richards dared to not agree with Neville's theory that this whole Rangnick business is some sort of master plan. They both are arm chair pundits, but one thinks he's dispensing wisdom and that entitles him to treat other pundits like idiots.
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Fair enough but there's a way to deal with that in a professional environment (or save that for after the cameras switch off). He came across really unprofessional and showed that he is insecure about his punditry.
 
moses said:
I think the season is a write-off regardless. I think the decision to go interim was a bit of an acknowledgement of that, maybe not consciously. People at the club must know what we are only seeing now.
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It's of course all hypothetical and opinions, but the Gary Neville equivalent of writing your post would have been to call me an idiot at the end of every sentence.

On the bold bit, I'm not sure they do, and if they do, then they're not very good, thus the idea to get someone who could be the interim manager and then oversee a structural change as a consultant?
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As far as I know a consultant is an advisor and not a decider. I think that's a distinction worth remembering when Neville speaks of Ragnick's future as if he's going to be a DoF.
 
do.ob said:
It's of course all hypothetical and opinions, but the Gary Neville equivalent of writing your post would have been to call me an idiot at the end of every sentence.



As far as I know a consultant is an advisor and not a decider. I think that's a distinction worth remembering when Neville speaks of Ragnick's future as if he's going to be a DoF.
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I don't find Neville that annoying and I think his hypotheticals are more informed than mine.
 
Gary tried to belittle him and he reacted. He wasn’t even talking rubbish.
 
I can't really understand why Richards has lost his mind over this. An interim/caretaker manager is hardly an unusual approach. Conte is hardly doing a great job at Tottenham and his behaviour is making anyone in their right mind go 'I bet United are well jealous they didn't get him'. United's approach this last decade has been abysmal and I don't think you can criticise Richard Arnold and John Murtough for taking a longer view of setting that right. Whether they get it right is entirely a different thing, but I don't see how adding Antonio Conte's meltdowns into the mix would really help anyone.

I've no idea why Richards is so angry about this. One minute he's over the top laughing for comic effect, the next he looks like he's about to cry with rage. Has Geordie La Forge just switched on his emotion chip? The man is all over the feckin' show.
 
Mainoldo said:
Gary tried to belittle him and he reacted. He wasn’t even talking rubbish.
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Who wasn't? Richards? He's always talking rubbish. And sometimes laughing.
do.ob said:
As far as I know a consultant is an advisor and not a decider. I think that's a distinction worth remembering when Neville speaks of Ragnick's future as if he's going to be a DoF.
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I don't get the nitpicking by some posters (often BL fans from what I've seen so far) about what his role will be or his input into decisions. The mere fact he was recruited as an interim coach with this consultancy role for a couple of years on top of it clearly indicates the club sees him as someone who can provide big input into the club's internal rebuilding/restructuring, which is clearly something the club wants to tackle now.

Neville doesn't speak of Rangnick's future as if he's going to be DoF, you're just spinning it that way to underline your questioning about his role. Neville has highlighted other people's roles in Utd's structure, and indicated that Rangnick could have a big role in the appointment of the future manager, also acknowledging the club could pass on his input. Beyond the nomination of the future manager, there are many other things that will surely be adapted regarding the inner workings of the club over the coming years, and the upper management seems to be aware of it - why otherwise give a TWO year consultancy role to a guy known as a "club builder"?

A lot of this is short sighted reactionism to disappointing results, and Neville's suppositions absolutely make sense when you look at the big picture and the signals coming from the club. Also the fact he is a consultant and not the ultimate decision maker doesn't fundamentally matter - anyone who's worked in a company on big projects with consultants will know that they can have as big a role, if not bigger, than the people sanctioning the decisions.
 
Mainoldo said:
Gary tried to belittle him and he reacted. He wasn’t even talking rubbish.
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That's just lazy.

He was talking irrelevant nonsense just trying to get into the conversation because he's an attention whore. Nobody said anything controversial and he just raised the volume every time he interjected, even Redknapp initially tried to calm him, and the anchor literally put his hand on his leg to calm him at one point.

That clip is 11 minutes long, Gary had just joined the panel from his comm position and spoke critically for about 3 minutes about the manager and the game we'd just seen. He was critical of Rashford when asked by Redknapp. Roy then said they hadn't progressed much since Ole but said the manager may not have had the full support of the players and that might explain his lack of progress.

Neville then says Rangnick would in private be very pissed off with the players for the performance they had just seen. Richards then goes on some bizarre tangent about the player not being scared of Rangnick, now maybe he meant he lacked the authority but his interjection was stupid and not a reaction to anyone. He got immediately argumentative about the manager's supposed lack of authority.

Gary responded by saying if Rangnick has a say in who comes in next then the players should be smart enough to respect his position and potential influence without the need to be scared.

Micah upped the volume asking why give him the job. It was a whole other tangent when they had been talking about the match and the players and manager not being good enough on the day.
 
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