Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

[Zehner]

Since Messi's failures in the UberEats league I see how likes of @genardk , @Zehner and @DaGOAT are out in full force.

Yes, champions league is over but Ronaldo is going to go back to playing the premier league. Messi is going to go back to playing clement soon guys! He may even DOUBLE his goal tally! Don't be so agitated.

What's that supposed to be? A pre-emptive strike? But I fear I have to disappoint you, I'm not participating in this. For me it doesn't matter if United went out against Atletico or PSG against Madrid. The same way it doesn't matter if Ronaldo won a three-peat or Messi more trebles or Ballon D'Ors. What you guys are doing here reminds me a bit of a game of Quartets in which you compare two cars based on how many cylinders they have.

I figured out for me that I participated so much in this thread not necessarily because of Messi and Ronaldo but more so because I'm very annoyed by the modern fans obsession with rating players based on goal stats and trophy hauls before everything else. This discussion is just a venue for that. If you want to discuss this with me, I'm in, maybe even in a seperate thread. If not, please leave me out of this

 

[gibers]

Exactly. Its really embarrassing for someone to mention that in order to boast his CV. I think Messi deserves more than enough recognition from his own merits elsewhere, rather needing to steal that extra one from Ronaldinho. It’s huge disrespect to Messi career to count that extra one which has almost nothing to do with him, in my opinion.

What a strange comment. Messi literally won 4, you can say that he was not the main man for the first one, but he was still part of it. The things you Pessi and PR7 fans come out with to slight each other is bizarre.

He can't steal a champions league he was a part of

Unbelievable

 

[shamans]

What's that supposed to be? A pre-emptive strike? But I fear I have to disappoint you, I'm not participating in this. For me it doesn't matter if United went out against Atletico or PSG against Madrid. The same way it doesn't matter if Ronaldo won a three-peat or Messi more trebles or Ballon D'Ors. What you guys are doing here reminds me a bit of a game of Quartets in which you compare two cars based on how many cylinders they have.

I figured out for me that I participated so much in this thread not necessarily because of Messi and Ronaldo but more so because I'm very annoyed by the modern fans obsession with rating players based on goal stats and trophy hauls before everything else. This discussion is just a venue for that. If you want to discuss this with me, I'm in, maybe even in a seperate thread. If not, please leave me out of this

What other thread would I use. This is the main thread.

You judge Messi by the "eye test". It makes sense.

 

[OneWhoKnocks]

Since Messi's failures in the UberEats league I see how likes of @genardk , @Zehner and @DaGOAT are out in full force.

Yes, champions league is over but Ronaldo is going to go back to playing the premier league. Messi is going to go back to playing clement soon guys! He may even DOUBLE his goal tally! Don't be so agitated.

Ronaldo is leading us to our worst finish in many years. Messi also is well ahead in assists since the new year. Both have been let downs and I don't think any of their fanbases (us or PSG) would complain once they leave these teams. Wish we had spent the money on a DM instead of a nostalgic panic buy at the last second. I'll always be grateful to what he gave us before but he isn't the right fit and we need to rebuild and he will just slow that down.

 

[The Corinthian]

What's that supposed to be? A pre-emptive strike? But I fear I have to disappoint you, I'm not participating in this. For me it doesn't matter if United went out against Atletico or PSG against Madrid. The same way it doesn't matter if Ronaldo won a three-peat or Messi more trebles or Ballon D'Ors. What you guys are doing here reminds me a bit of a game of Quartets in which you compare two cars based on how many cylinders they have.

I figured out for me that I participated so much in this thread not necessarily because of Messi and Ronaldo but more so because I'm very annoyed by the modern fans obsession with rating players based on goal stats and trophy hauls before everything else. This discussion is just a venue for that. If you want to discuss this with me, I'm in, maybe even in a seperate thread. If not, please leave me out of this

He says after 732 posts in the thread, the 5th highest.

 

[RedRonaldo]

is like saying Ronaldo won that Euro when he didn't play the most important gsme.

Because apparently, CL titles are won by single players, not teams.

What a strange comment. Messi literally won 4, you can say that he was not the main man for the first one, but he was still part of it. The things you Pessi and PR7 fans come out with to slight each other is bizarre.

He can't steal a champions league he was a part of

Unbelievable

Well at the very least:

Ronaldo is topscorer/top assist/most motm for Portugal in Euro. He contribute the most for Portugal in Euro tournament

Messi only has 1 goals in 6 games mostly in group stage of CL (including subs appearance), and missed almost all the games in knockout stage, including: last 16 game, both legs of quarter final, both legs of semi-final, and final. He basically missed almost everything in their progression and contribute near nothing for Barca in their whole CL campaign.

I would definitely feel embarrassed if people claimed I won the competition without participate in all the final, semi-final, quarter final and last 16 game, and contribute near to nothing throughout the competition.

Ronaldo 5x CL: Top scorer, best player, key figure in each of those 5
vs
Messi 3x CL: Top scorer, best player, key figure in each of those 3
Messi 1x CL: bit part sub player, near to 0 contribution, didn't feature in almost all the games in knockout stage

So yeh, Messi has 4 in his CV, but its really small time/embarrassing to mention all 4 of them in order to compare with Ronaldo 5. He basically only won 3.

 

[SportingCP96]

Messi singlehandedly took Barca without Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar to CL semis 2019 and won La Liga that year becoming the top CL goal scorer in the same year. The guy was by far the best player in CL that year. Ronaldo could not match that without Modric, Benzema, Ramos.

Messi proved he could win Ballon D'ors, Golden Shoes even when not surrounded by star players. Completely the opposite for Ronaldo.
The guy won 2 Ballon D'ors, 1 Golden Shoe, IFFHS Best Playmaker Award, 3 Pichichis in a row (the same number Ronaldo could win in 9 years) without Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar between 2019-2021.

Looks really weak for Ronaldo seeing how dependent he was on that perfect Real setup for him with Modric, Kroos, Ramos and Benzema for CL success and how little he is winning outside that..

So dependent on Madrid that he won a CL BEFORE going to Madrid in a completely different team from a different league.

How many has Messi won without Xavi and Iniesta? Don’t worry I’ll wait

Also last I remember Ronaldo won a Balon d or and golden boot before Madrid when he ran through England at 24 years old but maybe I am just dreaming that.

 

[SportingCP96]

Well at the very least:

Ronaldo is topscorer/top assist/most motm for Portugal in Euro. He contribute the most for Portugal in Euro tournament

Messi only has 1 goals in 6 games mostly in group stage of CL (including subs appearance), and missed almost all the games in knockout stage, including: last 16 game, both legs of quarter final, both legs of semi-final, and final. He basically missed almost everything in their progression and contribute near nothing for Barca in their whole CL campaign.

I would definitely feel embarrassed if people claimed I won the competition without participate in all the final, semi-final, quarter final and last 16 game, and contribute near to nothing throughout the competition.

Ronaldo 5x CL: Top scorer, best player, key figure in each of those 5
vs
Messi 3x CL: Top scorer, best player, key figure in each of those 3
Messi 1x CL: bit part sub player, near to 0 contribution, didn't feature in almost all the games in knockout stage

So yeh, Messi has 4 in his CV, but its really small time/embarrassing to mention all 4 of them in order to compare with Ronaldo 5. He basically only won 3.

If comparing Ronaldo and Messi in CL it is 100% 5-3. Messi first has a * over it. Technically Messi has 4 yes but in a debate standpoint it is most clearly 5-3. Which for CL is quite a difference.

It’s like winning the premiere league and your youth player who came on in the final game of the season for the last 2 minutes of the game gets the medal and you say “hell ya! Premier league champ”

 

[genardk]

So dependent on Madrid that he won a CL BEFORE going to Madrid in a completely different team from a different league.

How many has Messi won without Xavi and Iniesta? Don’t worry I’ll wait

Also last I remember Ronaldo won a Balon d or and golden boot before Madrid when he ran through England at 24 years old but maybe I am just dreaming that.

Imagine seeing SAF's "dream team" United with Rooney, Tevez, Giggs, Rio, Vidic, Scholes etc. as an average team ..
Imagine winning your last Ballon D'or in 2017, Golden Shoe in 2015, and top league goal scorer award just once in the last 7 years as a striker..

 

[SportingCP96]

Imagine seeing SAF's "dream team" United with Rooney, Tevez, Giggs, Rio, Vidic, Scholes etc. as an average team ..
Imagine winning your last Ballon D'or in 2017, Golden Shoe in 2015, and top league goal scorer award just once in the last 7 years as a striker..

No no don’t switch up, you said he can’t win without Madrid…but he did. You know who hasn’t won without the spine of the best Spanish team of all time? Messi. That’s fact buddy.

CL winner in 2 different teams, golden boot in 2 different teams. Only Ronaldo. 5CL vs 3CL.

Imagine that.

 

[genardk]

No no don’t switch up, you said he can’t win without Madrid…but he did. You know who hasn’t won without the spine of the best Spanish team of all time? Messi. That’s fact buddy.

CL winner in 2 different teams, golden boot in 2 different teams. Only Ronaldo. 5CL vs 3CL.

Imagine that.

Whatever makes you sleep well at night, bro.

Ronaldo just could not do much without super teams around him, unfortunately, factos. But you can continue thinking SAF & United dream team was irrelevant, he could win it just anywhere with his out of this world mental powers as he has been showing the last four years That he is winning on longevity though he won his last Ballon D'or in 2017, Golden Shoe in 2015, 1 top goal scorer award in 7 years etc.. It seems those mental powers also stopped working in La Liga where he could win only 2 titles and a single best player award in 9 years, looks weak.

I would advise you to see a psychologist. I am a big fan of Messi, but your case is excessive probably partly due to seeing him as a national hero. Please don't take this as an insult, this is just a friendly advice based on your posts.

Also, remember Portugal is not the only country in the world and Messi is a clear GOAT for most outside your country (even on this United forum) as the guy beats your national hero in almost every single metric, trophies, individual awards, NT awards, talent plus easily match him in goal scoring not to mention the huge eye-test difference. You should respect their opinion and I think stop trying to create alternative narratives to make Ronaldo look better than he actually is because it looks very desparate.

 

[RedRonaldo]

If comparing Ronaldo and Messi in CL it is 100% 5-3. Messi first has a * over it. Technically Messi has 4 yes but in a debate standpoint it is most clearly 5-3. Which for CL is quite a difference.

It’s like winning the premiere league and your youth player who came on in the final game of the season for the last 2 minutes of the game gets the medal and you say “hell ya! Premier league champ”

Exactly. Hence its really embarrassing hearing people claimed Messi has won 4. Very small-time indeed.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Messi singlehandedly took Barca without Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar to CL semis 2019 and won La Liga that year becoming the top CL goal scorer in the same year. The guy was by far the best player in CL that year. Ronaldo could not match that without Modric, Benzema, Ramos.

Ronaldo's 2017 campaign was comfortably better than Messi's. He scored a ton of goals against Atletico, Bayern, and Juventus. He was the key player (by far) in achieving a repeat of the CL, a very impressive achievement which hadn't happened in a few decades. He scored 12 goals, which was actually low for him as far as winning CL campaigns went.

Those 12 goals were Messi's recent high. Messi took his team to the semifinals in 2019 after beating a poor Manchester United and Lyon. Then they played an actual good team, were somewhat lucky to get a lopsided win, and still managed to feck it up, in a horrifying, pathetic defeat that traumatizes them to this day.

That's basically Messi in the CL these days. His "best campaign" is one that he'll have nightmares about for the rest of life.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Some Barcelona fans still complain about Dembele missing a sitter against Liverpool, since the first game would have ended 4-0 and then maybe they wouldn't have folded.

Since then Messi has missed penalties in two consecutive knockout round games.

 

[OneWhoKnocks]

Some Barcelona fans still complain about Dembele missing a sitter against Liverpool, since the first game would have ended 4-0 and then maybe they wouldn't have folded.

Since then Messi has missed penalties in two consecutive knockout round games.

and Ronaldo has zero goals in four straight knockout games against FAR worse competition. Messi has scored twice in his last 4 knockout matches.

Madrid were also very fortunate that a majority of their ties had them playing the second leg at home. Barca were godlike at home but poor away.

Ronaldo’s teammates were also showing up far more often than Messi’s were. That 2019 team had no business going as far as they did. Suarez hadn’t scored an away goal in several years, his goal scoring in CL dropped dramatically after 2016.

Ronaldo had the luxury where even when he played poorly in a final (2014, 2016, 2018) other teammates stepped up.
Last time Messi had that in a big CL match was Neymar against psg in that historic comeback.

Ronaldo was able to get away with not being even an 8/10 far more than Messi was. Which isn’t to say Ronaldo wasn’t sublime in CL, but when Messi wasn’t amazing, Barca never provided him support by stepping up. Ronaldo had Bale, Ramos and Benzema scoring crucial goals. A luxury Messi hasn’t had since 2017.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

and Ronaldo has zero goals in four straight knockout games against FAR worse competition. Messi has scored twice in his last 4 knockout matches.

The thing is Cristiano Ronaldo is 37 years old. So when you tell me this, my response is: yeah, no kidding. He's nowhere near the player he used to be. That's fine and normal when you're 37 years old, there's no shame in that.

That's a different situation than Messi, who is a younger man who people have been arguing deserved the Balon D'Or just last year.

If you want to compare Messi to a decaying 37-year-old be my guest but it's not the strong argument you think it is! Was anybody here saying Ronaldo deserved the last Balon D'Or?

Madrid were also very fortunate that a majority of their ties had them playing the second leg at home.

Out of the 4 CLs they won with Ronaldo, Real Madrid won the away game 8 times, drew once, and lost just twice. Their biggest victory was a second leg away game against reigning champions Bayern Munich.

 

[Bole Top]

I mean, is this even a debate anymore? if we learned anything from watching Ronaldo without Modric/Kroos and Messi without Xavi/Iniesta, it's the fact Ronaldo looked ridiculously limited without them compared to Messi, who was still capable of 2 ballon d'or worthy seasons. Ronaldo was simply lost and hopeless out there, sometimes without a single shot on the goal during the whole game against much easier opponents (Lyon, Atletico). as soon as he left his elite supporting cast, it was all over for him. it was clear he would never compete for ballon d'or ever again. his clutch and elite mentality were entirely dependant on Modric and Kroos it seems. I'm afraid those are the factos.

 

[cyberman]

I mean, is this even a debate anymore? if we learned anything from watching Ronaldo without Modric/Kroos and Messi without Xavi/Iniesta, it's the fact Ronaldo looked ridiculously limited without them compared to Messi, who was still capable of 2 ballon d'or worthy seasons. Ronaldo was simply lost and hopeless out there, sometimes without a single shot on the goal during the whole game against much easier opponents (Lyon, Atletico). as soon as he left his elite supporting cast, it was all over for him. it was clear he would never compete for ballon d'or ever again. his clutch and elite mentality were entirely dependant on Modric and Kroos it seems. I'm afraid those are the factos.

We saw him at Utd without Kroos and Modric?

 

[Tom Van Persie]

We saw him at Utd without Kroos and Modric?

We also saw him at Madrid without Kroos and Modric. He won a CL at Madrid before Kroos joined.

 

[Bole Top]

We saw him at Utd without Kroos and Modric?

precisely, in what was probably our best team ever managed by greatest manager ever. anything less than that is dead end for him. he needs CL winning team to stand a chance. Messi doesn't.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

These Messi ***** are hilarious, can’t deal with the fact their idol is finished. He can’t hack it in the French league and is getting boo’d by his own fans. Some real desperation going on in here as they clamour to try and defend him.

 

[cyberman]

precisely, in what was probably our best team ever managed by greatest manager ever. anything less than that is dead end for him. he needs CL winning team to stand a chance. Messi doesn't.

Maybe why Messi wasn’t in as many CL winning teams is because he isn’t as good as Ronaldo at dragging them there? Being in less CL winning sides isn’t a plus in Messi favour.
Again, Messi walking around as his team suffers another CL humiliation seems to have been a recurring theme in the latter half of Messis career.
I mean Barca regularly won the league in Madrids CL winning seasons so Messi wasn’t playing in worse sides. That’s not a plus in his favour.
We have seen Ronaldo in non Modric / Kroos sides and he was better than Messi in non Iniesta / Xavi sides. That’s just fact.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Ronaldo’s teammates were also showing up far more often than Messi’s were. Ronaldo was able to get away with not being even an 8/10 far more than Messi was. Ronaldo had Bale, Ramos and Benzema scoring crucial goals.

Messi's teammates "showed up" against Atletico in 2016 (Suarez scored both goals in a 2-3 exit), against PSG (Neymar scored a hat-trick, Suarez scored 1 goal), against Roma (they won the first match 4-1 in a game in which Messi was poor), against Lyon (4 separate goalscorers), and against Napoli (4 separate goalscorers). Neither Messi nor his teammates showed up against Juventus (no goals scored). And given that they were obliterated 8-2 we can probably say neither him nor his teammates showed up against Bayern even though some goals were scored. Against Liverpool, Suarez scored the first goal. Messi scored the second and third goals. The second one was a rebound off a Suarez shot. So his teammate "showed up."

That leaves very, vew few games in which Messi, but not the rest of his team, "showed up." Which is why he's developed a reputation as a bit of a CL bottler!

Ronaldo does not have this reputation because, while his teammates have come through for him with crucial goals, there's also been more than a few ties where he's been the person who showed up the most. This happened in ties/games which RM won (against Juventus 2018, Wolfsburg, Bayern 2017), ties in which RM flirted with disaster (Schalke 2015), and ties in which RM lost (Juve 2015). Then at Juventus in his first season he was the only one who scored goals in the knockouts.

It's not hard to see why he has a better reputation in the CL.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

If Barcelona were being eliminated from the CL because one match ends 4-3 and Messi scores two-three goals then yeah people would think "wow, Barcelona is really bottling it, even with Messi."

But that's just not what's been happening.

 

[genardk]

Ronaldo's 2017 campaign was comfortably better than Messi's. He scored a ton of goals against Atletico, Bayern, and Juventus. He was the key player (by far) in achieving a repeat of the CL, a very impressive achievement which hadn't happened in a few decades. He scored 12 goals, which was actually low for him as far as winning CL campaigns went.

Those 12 goals were Messi's recent high. Messi took his team to the semifinals in 2019 after beating a poor Manchester United and Lyon. Then they played an actual good team, were somewhat lucky to get a lopsided win, and still managed to feck it up, in a horrifying, pathetic defeat that traumatizes them to this day.

That's basically Messi in the CL these days. His "best campaign" is one that he'll have nightmares about for the rest of life.

Messi did that without Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar in 2019 without other stars unlike Ronaldo who was exposed big time showing us how limited he is when not surrounded by star players year by year.

You are still talking about goal numbers and making goal comparisons as if that is the only thing that matters, as if Messi only a penalty box striker . Did you ever watch Messi? You seem to think Messi is only about goals completely ignoring that he is also a GOAT level playmaker, passer and dribbler. Start with the below link to get familiar with what Messi is capable of.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9141833/Lionel-Messi-crowned-best-playmaker-decade-makes-20.html

 

[genardk]

Maybe why Messi wasn’t in as many CL winning teams is because he isn’t as good as Ronaldo at dragging them there? Being in less CL winning sides isn’t a plus in Messi favour.
Again, Messi walking around as his team suffers another CL humiliation seems to have been a recurring theme in the latter half of Messis career.
I mean Barca regularly won the league in Madrids CL winning seasons so Messi wasn’t playing in worse sides. That’s not a plus in his favour.
We have seen Ronaldo in non Modric / Kroos sides and he was better than Messi in non Iniesta / Xavi sides. That’s just fact.

Messi had three trebles at Barca, the ultimate peak a team could reach vs Ronaldo with 0 at Real. I wonder what happened there. Ronaldo was not playing in a worse side. That's a clear negative for him.

Ronaldo was frequently bailed out by Ramos, Bale and Karius while ghosting in CL finals. The guy could on only win 2 La Ligas, 2 Copa Del Reys in 9 years and an embarrassing single La Liga best player award vs Messi's 6 La Ligas, 7 Copa Del Rey and 6 La Liga best player awards during the same 9 years.

non Modric/Kroos sides are SAF's legendary United team with Rooney, Tevez, Rio, Vidic, Giggs, Keane, Scholes. Imagine thinking this is not a super team under SAF. We have seen Ronaldo in Juve and United in CL now 4 years in a row in CL, he was exposed big time with his mental powers stopping frequently in the 2nd round when not surrounded by other stars.. Messi took a team without Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar to semis.

Not only that, we saw Ronaldo just can not win any Ballon D'or or Golden Shoe outside super teams unlike Messi. It also does not look good for one of the greatest strikers ever to win a single league top scorer award in the last 7 years.

 

[OneWhoKnocks]

Messi's teammates "showed up" against Atletico in 2016 (Suarez scored both goals in a 2-3 exit), against PSG (Neymar scored a hat-trick, Suarez scored 1 goal), against Roma (they won the first match 4-1 in a game in which Messi was poor), against Lyon (4 separate goalscorers), and against Napoli (4 separate goalscorers). Neither Messi nor his teammates showed up against Juventus (no goals scored). And given that they were obliterated 8-2 we can probably say neither him nor his teammates showed up against Bayern even though some goals were scored. Against Liverpool, Suarez scored the first goal. Messi scored the second and third goals. The second one was a rebound off a Suarez shot. So his teammate "showed up."

That leaves very, vew few games in which Messi, but not the rest of his team, "showed up." Which is why he's developed a reputation as a bit of a CL bottler!

Ronaldo does not have this reputation because, while his teammates have come through for him with crucial goals, there's also been more than a few ties where he's been the person who showed up the most. This happened in ties/games which RM won (against Juventus 2018, Wolfsburg, Bayern 2017), ties in which RM flirted with disaster (Schalke 2015), and ties in which RM lost (Juve 2015). Then at Juventus in his first season he was the only one who scored goals in the knockouts.

It's not hard to see why he has a better reputation in the CL.

If Barcelona were being eliminated from the CL because one match ends 4-3 and Messi scores two-three goals then yeah people would think "wow, Barcelona is really bottling it, even with Messi."

But that's just not what's been happening.

That’s exactly what happened against Liverpool, it was 4-3 agg.

Ronaldo loses to far worse teams in CL compared to Messi. I agree Ronaldo is the better CL player, but Porto, Lyon, and Atletico are far worse teams than Bayern, psg, and Real Madrid.

Messi scored every goal against psg last time he was with Barca, Bayern and Roma he was poor.

2016 vs Atletico Barca only scored once, which again, when Messi only plays like a 7/10, hardly anyone stepped up. Only rakitic scored in that entire tie. No one
scored against Juventus.

And most of all, his defense let’s him down far more often than Ronaldo’s does. Barca had 4 goals against Roma, still lost, Barca had 3 goals against psg, still lost, Barca had 3 goals against Liverpool, still lost.

those are just off the top of my head.

Benzema is a top 5 cl scorer in history, Ramos the highest scoring defender in history, and Bale has scored multiple times in multiple CL finals.

Messi’s teammates have let him down FAR more often than Ronanldo’s but yes, Messi has been poor himself like against Roma and Bayern.

One another note if messi scored his two last knockout penalties, his teams are still out although mbappe carried psg this season even if messi was their second highest scorer in CL.

Ronaldo had 4 straight knockout matches of zero goals, where if he scored just once his team either wins the tie or forces ET.

But Ronaldo is older now too, I just think his performance against Atletico the other day was even worse than messi against Roma and Bayern individually.

For me, Ronaldo is the greatest CL player and it’s not hard to see why. But Ronaldo gets bailed out far more often when he doesn’t play well. It was a luxury messi doesn’t get as often.

 

[DaGOAT]

FACTOS for the Ronaldo fanboys:

Ronaldo has one more CL title and more total goals. How impressive. How many other titles? Messi’s 38 titles superior to Ronaldo’s amount in their career. Ronaldo has to catch up.

Messi won the treble - twice!
Messi won more league titles while competing directly vs. Ronaldo’s Madrid.

Ronaldo’s obsession Ballon D’Or? Messi clear with 7. Again superior.
European Golden Shoes? Messi again superior.

Messi also superior goals/match and assist/match ratio.

Kinda pathetic how little Ronaldo is ahead in total goals with so many more matches played. LMFAO.

Messi’s goals+assists >>> Ronaldo’s goals+assists. FACTOS I should say.

Get on Messi’s level.

But I forget the selective memory of Ronaldo nuthuggers.
Only CL stats matter - not the entirety of their careers.

Yeah, Messi clear of Ronaldo.

Brings joy to the mind knowing Ronaldo and his fans know he will NEVER surpass Messi in his beloved Ballon D’Or trophies or in European Golden Shoes.
Neither will he surpass Messi in total trophies.

Comment on these facts, Ronaldo nuthuggers.

 

[VidaRed]

We should sign messi and pair him up with ronaldo upfront.

Now that will spur on both of them to raise there game every game.

 

[Pickle85]

FACTOS for the Ronaldo fanboys:

Ronaldo has one more CL title and more total goals. How impressive. How many other titles? Messi’s 38 titles superior to Ronaldo’s amount in their career. Ronaldo has to catch up.

Messi won the treble - twice!
Messi won more league titles while competing directly vs. Ronaldo’s Madrid.

Ronaldo’s obsession Ballon D’Or? Messi clear with 7. Again superior.
European Golden Shoes? Messi again superior.

Messi also superior goals/match and assist/match ratio.

Kinda pathetic how little Ronaldo is ahead in total goals with so many more matches played. LMFAO.

Messi’s goals+assists >>> Ronaldo’s goals+assists. FACTOS I should say.

Get on Messi’s level.

But I forget the selective memory of Ronaldo nuthuggers.
Only CL stats matter - not the entirety of their careers.

Yeah, Messi clear of Ronaldo.

Brings joy to the mind knowing Ronaldo and his fans know he will NEVER surpass Messi in his beloved Ballon D’Or trophies or in European Golden Shoes.
Neither will he surpass Messi in total trophies.

Comment on these facts, Ronaldo nuthuggers.

Your posts are a genuine embarrassment. I'm pleased that you'll likely never get out of the Newbies.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Messi had three trebles at Barca

Messi does not have three trebles at Barca.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Porto, Lyon, and Atletico are far worse teams than Bayern, psg, and Real Madrid.

Atletico eliminated Barcelona from the CL twice and Roma eliminated Barcelona once.
I think you meant Ajax, because Atletico have not eliminated RM or Juventus, I don't think. Ajax did; they also eliminated RM without Ronaldo so they can't be that bad.

Messi scored every goal against psg last time he was with Barca

And he missed a penalty that would have put his side up 1-2 away, and the tie would have been at 3-5. Against PSG, a team famous for bottling. If he had scored that penalty, would Barcelona's chances to go through have increased dramatically? Yes. Did he do it? No. He killed any hope of a remontada right then and there.

That’s exactly what happened against Liverpool, it was 4-3 agg.

That's how the tie ended. But what I said was "match", not tie. I said it because it's an important distinction: Messi doesn't go down fighting in a tight match where his team disappoints him a bit. He goes down terribly in an awful match in which the result is wildly lopsided.

 

[genardk]

Messi does not have three trebles at Barca.

Oops, my bad

2 trebles at Barca vs Ronaldo with 0 at Real
2 doubles (CL + La Liga) at Barca vs Ronaldo with 1 at Real

So, Ronaldo could not achieve more than a single double (in 2016-2017) at Real.

 

[OneWhoKnocks]

Atletico eliminated Barcelona from the CL twice and Roma eliminated Barcelona once.
I think you meant Ajax, because Atletico have not eliminated RM or Juventus, I don't think. Ajax did; they also eliminated RM without Ronaldo so they can't be that bad.


And he missed a penalty that would have put his side up 1-2 away, and the tie would have been at 3-5. Against PSG, a team famous for bottling. If he had scored that penalty, would Barcelona's chances to go through have increased dramatically? Yes. Did he do it? No. He killed any hope of a remontada right then and there.



That's how the tie ended. But what I said was "match", not tie. I said it because it's an important distinction: Messi doesn't go down fighting in a tight match where his team disappoints him a bit. He goes down terribly in an awful match in which the result is wildly lopsided.

I’m talking about Ronaldo getting eliminated recently to Atletico, the worst team they’ve had in nearly a decade.

And Ronaldo does get eliminated by far inferior teams than Messi.

Messi created every chance Barca had in that second leg against Liverpool. Ronaldo failed to register a single stat against Atletico and was just as bad against Porto. These aren’t Bayern or Liverpool but much much worse teams.

Roma were one goal away from making it to a CL final but that team I wouldn’t call great but definitely better the dross that has been eliminating Ronaldo lately.

madrid were missing Ramos against Ajax and even when they missed Ramos against Juventus Madrid nearly choked it at home.

Ronaldo’s CL allure has gone down a lot in recent years. He’s older, it makes sense. But when he falters a bit more often than not his teammates stepped up. When that doesn’t happen, we see the difference between Ronaldo’s failures in CL and Messi’s isn’t that big. Once Ronaldo left Madrid it’s been just as many let downs where Juve were hoping to win a CL with him and only got past RO 16 once.

Again, Ronaldo is the better CL player but I’d take Messi 2019 to present in CL over Ronaldo 2019 to present in CL. Ronaldo was godlike during the treble of CL’s of course.

 

[Camara]

I’m talking about Ronaldo getting eliminated recently to Atletico, the worst team they’ve had in nearly a decade.

And Ronaldo does get eliminated by far inferior teams than Messi.

Messi created every chance Barca had in that second leg against Liverpool. Ronaldo failed to register a single stat against Atletico and was just as bad against Porto. These aren’t Bayern or Liverpool but much much worse teams.

Roma were one goal away from making it to a CL final but that team I wouldn’t call great but definitely better the dross that has been eliminating Ronaldo lately.

madrid were missing Ramos against Ajax and even when they missed Ramos against Juventus Madrid nearly choked it at home.

Ronaldo’s CL allure has gone down a lot in recent years. He’s older, it makes sense. But when he falters a bit more often than not his teammates stepped up. When that doesn’t happen, we see the difference between Ronaldo’s failures in CL and Messi’s isn’t that big. Once Ronaldo left Madrid it’s been just as many let downs where Juve were hoping to win a CL with him and only got past RO 16 once.

Again, Ronaldo is the better CL player but I’d take Messi 2019 to present in CL over Ronaldo 2019 to present in CL. Ronaldo was godlike during the treble of CL’s of course.

Ronaldo actually made an assist vs Porto (Chiesa first goal in Turin) although that doesn't mean he had good games in that knockout.

Roma better than the dross that has been eliminating Ronaldo?
Roma was good, I am not judging them but the others were clearly not dross: Ajax was eliminating Real Madrids and the like, Porto has beaten Roma the 2 times they faced each other in the last 6 years and Lyon "only" eliminated the favourite Manchester City although that was also a very atypical year because of covid.

Ronaldo scored home and away against Ajax, was it his fault? Previously he had an hattrick against Atlético to win the tie.
Ronaldo scored twice at home vs Lyon that would be enough to cancel Lyon's first leg advantage, was it his fault?
Against Porto he was bad yes.
Against Atlético he was bad too but this is a Man United team that can lose 4-1 to relegation zone Watford, a team where he was the most important factor on getting out of the group stages in the first place.

Juventus was and is a disfunctional team for some time now (Ronaldo and some other few players managed to win some titles somehow, they played really poorly) just like Man United.
Barcelona has been horrendously badly managed in the last few years as well.

It's not hard to see that Ronaldo and Messi have been suffering from disfunctional teams and although they also have to shoulder some of the blame i don't see how we can pinpoint the failures to them.
IMHO Ronaldo has been performing better in relative terms in the last 4 years (mostly in the first 2 in knockouts and this year in group stage) due to him having a direct impact on the results that however isn't enough to make the team go through.
Messi's teammates have also often helped to pull the team out of the mud many times, as it has been shown above, that is obviously true of Ronaldo as well (although as I say above I think Ronaldo shows up more often in the bad moments when the team really needs, just compare for example the number of goals when their team is losing or drawing).

 

[Davidd1]

Messi's teammates "showed up" against Atletico in 2016 (Suarez scored both goals in a 2-3 exit), against PSG (Neymar scored a hat-trick, Suarez scored 1 goal), against Roma (they won the first match 4-1 in a game in which Messi was poor), against Lyon (4 separate goalscorers), and against Napoli (4 separate goalscorers). Neither Messi nor his teammates showed up against Juventus (no goals scored). And given that they were obliterated 8-2 we can probably say neither him nor his teammates showed up against Bayern even though some goals were scored. Against Liverpool, Suarez scored the first goal. Messi scored the second and third goals. The second one was a rebound off a Suarez shot. So his teammate "showed up."

You're right. And there are many other crucial games Messi didn't show up and his teammates saved him. The Champions League Final in 2015, Barcelona won 3-1, the goals were scored by Rakitik, Suarez and Neymar. In that match Messi was poor.

2015 Quarter Finals. Barcelona 5-1 PSG. Hatrick of Neymar and two goals of Suarez. Once again Messi didn't show up.

2015 Round of 16. Manchester City 1-2 Barcelona. Messi didn't show up again. Suarez scored two goals and gave Barcelona the win, Messi missed a penalty.

In the 2015 Champions League Neymar and Suarez were definitely way better than Messi, they both scored many more goals than Messi in the KO phase and in the Final.


In 2017 Barcelona lost 4-0 against PSG in the first leg, then in the second leg they won 6-1 with an incredible performance of Neymar, who score two goals and gave two assists, Suarez scored one goal in that game, and Messi didn't show up at all, we didn't even notice Messi was playing in that game against PSG. Neymar completely outshined him


2009 Semifinal. Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona, Iniesta scored a goal in the last minute and thanks to that goal Barcelona won and qualified for the Final.
In the first leg the result was Barcelona 0-0 Chelsea. So without Iniesta's goal Barcelona was out of the Champions League, Iniesta saved Barcelona and Messi. Without Iniesta's goal against Chelsea, Barcelona wouldn't have won the Champions League that year.

Copa America Final 2021, Argentina 1-0 Brazil, Di Maria scored the goal, and Messi was terrible in that game, his performance was awful.

So the conclusion is Messi didn't show up in so many games, and got saved by his teammates plenty of times, Neymar, Suarez, Iniesta, Di Maria...

What a strange comment. Messi literally won 4, you can say that he was not the main man for the first one, but he was still part of it. The things you Pessi and PR7 fans come out with to slight each other is bizarre.

He can't steal a champions league he was a part of

Unbelievable

Messi won 4 Champions Leaugues? That isn't true

In the Champions League that Barcelona won in 2006, Messi got injured in the first leg of the round of 16 and didn't play anymore, he was a non factor, he wasn't part of the team because he missed so many games.

Messi contributed nothing in the Champions League of 2006. Ronaldinho and Eto'o were the stars of Barcelona, they were the two players who gave Barcelona the Champions League in 2006 while Messi watched all the games on TV at home.

 

[Bebestation]

“For me, no, he is not enjoying himself at PSG, because Leo makes this game special, and he does it when he is having a good time, because when he is having a good time, the others enjoy it," the Brazilian right-back told ESPN.

“For me it is out of place, right now Leo is out of place there. Because Leo for me lived in the best place in the world to practice what he loves."

Dani Alves

https://www.goal.com/en/news/messi-not-enjoying-himself-at-psg-alves/blt4edfdf1a1b9c4798


A pure Barcelona player and never a GOAT outside it.

Able to ooze and utelise the special abilities of Barcelona FC that is not easily found in the majority of other clubs. It's the best place to practise what he loves both in terms of the team he plays for and the league and tactics he has tends to face throughout a full season.

Thanks Dani Alves.

Absolutely nothing about his age, just talking about things plenty of us could always see.

 

[genardk]

“For me, no, he is not enjoying himself at PSG, because Leo makes this game special, and he does it when he is having a good time, because when he is having a good time, the others enjoy it," the Brazilian right-back told ESPN.

“For me it is out of place, right now Leo is out of place there. Because Leo for me lived in the best place in the world to practice what he loves."

Dani Alves

https://www.goal.com/en/news/messi-not-enjoying-himself-at-psg-alves/blt4edfdf1a1b9c4798


A pure Barcelona player and never a GOAT outside it.

Able to ooze and utelise the special abilities of Barcelona FC that is not easily found in the majority of other clubs. It's the best place to practise what he loves both in terms of the team he plays for and the league and tactics he has tends to face throughout a full season.

Thanks Dani Alves.

Absolutely nothing about his age, just talking about things plenty of us could always see.

How does what you quote prove your point? Alves is saying Messi loved living and playing for Barca, shocking! so did Totti for Rome, so did Maldini/Baresi for Milan, so did Pele for Santos, so did Del Piero for Juve, so did Giggs/Scholes at United, so did Xavi/Iniesta for Barca.

Now that Messi has won tons of top awards without Xavi, Iniesta and Neymar under Koeman, Valverde type of average coaches unlike Ronaldo failing outside super teams, the focus has moved to "the special abilities of Barcelona FC that is not easily found in the majority of other clubs" What are those special abilities like joining Europa League , having the worst season in years without Messi until Xavi's arrival, not hiring top coaches, settling with Tito, Martino, Valverde, Setien, Koeman and leading Europe in terms of the value of failed transfers?

The real proof is screaming on our face Ronaldo just can't win top awards unless he plays for super teams like Real or United under SAF with his mental powers suddenly disappearing outside the super team zone, zero Ballon D'or, Golden Shoe, treble, one league top goal scorer award in 7 years, regular elimination in the 2nd round in CL to teams from farmer leagues, the worst Atletico in years, in what's supposed to be his favorite tournament..

and the league and and tactics he has tends to face throughout a full season.

Messi humiliated tons of teams from different leagues using different tactics, his personal favorite seems to be PL teams as below..

Big six performance: 27 goals + 6 assists in 35 games..
5 international tournament MVP awards
Most MOTM in CL
Best goal per game ratio in CL
6 time CL top goal scorer
2 Ballon D'ors + 1 Golden Shoe + 3 Pichichi + 1 Champions League Top Scorer + 1 IFFHS Best Playmaker Award "without special abilities of Barca like Xavi, Iniesta Neymar" in 3 years between 2019-2021..

 

[Gehrman]

How does what you quote prove your point? Alves is saying Messi loved living and playing for Barca, shocking! so did Totti for Rome, so did Maldini/Baresi for Milan, so did Pele for Santos, so did Del Piero for Juve, so did Giggs/Scholes at United, so did Xavi/Iniesta for Barca.

Now that Messi has won tons of top awards without Xavi, Iniesta and Neymar under Koeman, Valverde type of average coaches unlike Ronaldo failing outside super teams, the focus has moved to "the special abilities of Barcelona FC that is not easily found in the majority of other clubs" What are those special abilities like joining Europa League , having the worst season in years without Messi until Xavi's arrival, not hiring top coaches, settling with Tito, Martino, Valverde, Setien, Koeman and leading Europe in terms of the value of failed transfers?

The real proof is screaming on our face Ronaldo just can't win top awards unless he plays for super teams like Real or United under SAF with his mental powers suddenly disappearing outside the super team zone, zero Ballon D'or, Golden Shoe, treble, one league top goal scorer award in 7 years, regular elimination in the 2nd round in CL to minnows from farmer leagues, the worst Atletico in years, in what's supposed to be his favorite tournament..



Messi humiliated tons of teams from different leagues using different tactics, his personal favorite seems to be PL teams as below..

Big six performance: 27 goals + 6 assists in 35 games..
5 international tournament MVP awards
Most MOTM in CL
Best goal per game ratio in CL
6 time CL top goal scorer
2 Ballon D'ors + 1 Golden Shoe + 3 Pichichi + 1 Champions League Top Scorer + 1 IFFHS Best Playmaker Award "without special abilities of Barca like Xavi, Iniesta Neymar" in 3 years between 2019-2021..

Bebe couldnt fanthom why Ronaldinho looked a different player as Ac Milan than at Barca. He cant compute why they de sold him in the first place.

 

[Black Adder]

You're right. And there are many other crucial games Messi didn't show up and his teammates saved him. The Champions League Final in 2015, Barcelona won 3-1, the goals were scored by Rakitik, Suarez and Neymar. In that match Messi was poor.

2015 Quarter Finals. Barcelona 5-1 PSG. Hatrick of Neymar and two goals of Suarez. Once again Messi didn't show up.

2015 Round of 16. Manchester City 1-2 Barcelona. Messi didn't show up again. Suarez scored two goals and gave Barcelona the win, Messi missed a penalty.

In the 2015 Champions League Neymar and Suarez were definitely way better than Messi, they both scored many more goals than Messi in the KO phase and in the Final.


In 2017 Barcelona lost 4-0 against PSG in the first leg, then in the second leg they won 6-1 with an incredible performance of Neymar, who score two goals and gave two assists, Suarez scored one goal in that game, and Messi didn't show up at all, we didn't even notice Messi was playing in that game against PSG. Neymar completely outshined him


2009 Semifinal. Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona, Iniesta scored a goal in the last minute and thanks to that goal Barcelona won and qualified for the Final.
In the first leg the result was Barcelona 0-0 Chelsea. So without Iniesta's goal Barcelona was out of the Champions League, Iniesta saved Barcelona and Messi. Without Iniesta's goal against Chelsea, Barcelona wouldn't have won the Champions League that year.

Copa America Final 2021, Argentina 1-0 Brazil, Di Maria scored the goal, and Messi was terrible in that game, his performance was awful.

So the conclusion is Messi didn't show up in so many games, and got saved by his teammates plenty of times, Neymar, Suarez, Iniesta, Di Maria...





Messi won 4 Champions Leaugues? That isn't true

In the Champions League that Barcelona won in 2006, Messi got injured in the first leg of the round of 16 and didn't play anymore, he was a non factor, he wasn't part of the team because he missed so many games.

Messi contributed nothing in the Champions League of 2006. Ronaldinho and Eto'o were the stars of Barcelona, they were the two players who gave Barcelona the Champions League in 2006 while Messi watched all the games on TV at home.

While you raise some good points, bolded part is wrong. It was Messi who assisted Iniesta for the goal which put them through.