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MrEleson said:
Not true. Haaland said the reason he became pro was because of Ronaldo. He listed both CR7 and Ibra as his inspirations. Likewise, Sancho. Greenwood is the only one of note that prefers Messi.
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I don't know about that. Haaland did an interview where he basically said messi was better. As others have pointed out. Of course Cr7 is an inspiration to the younger generation but that's different from who they think is better
 
CanadianUtd said:
Trophies are team awards, no correlation to the point I was saying.

Common footballing knowledge really.
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I've always wanted to bring this up. People use trophies to compare them all the time. When ideally it should be individual awards.(which favour Messi). So throwing this question out. Why do you prefer trophies as a yardstick over individual awards?
 
Pocho said:
Here in a United forum, most people think Messi is better. So no.
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Seriously? You've been around long enough to know this polls is fixed by some idiot years ago.

To continue to lie and lie about it based on this poll is just laughable and kidding no one.
 
Henandez14 said:
I've always wanted to bring this up. People use trophies to compare them all the time. When ideally it should be individual awards.(which favour Messi). So throwing this question out. Why do you prefer trophies as a yardstick over individual awards?
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Depends on their role in winning those trophies. Its the glory bit.
 
CanadianUtd said:
Because they prefer a serial winner. What’s that saying — hard work beats talent when talents doesn’t work hard enough? Something like that. And it summarizes Cristiano vs. Messi when comparing the 2 (not anyone else). And to state the obvious again, not to say Messi doesn’t work hard. But this is specifically when comparing the 2. And it’s Ronnie without a doubt. His work ethic and consistency is untouchable.

Like imo, Messi is the better all arounder talented footballer. It’s cool and all but often times it’s not enough as he doesn’t put it together when it matters most. Ronaldo on the other hand? He doesn’t do as many things that he used to in the past (people forget how dynamic he was in his United/early RM days and it’s quite sad) because he’s become efficient and has specialized in what makes him most effective better than any other footballer. Not saying that 1 is better/worse than the other because both are so so amazing. It’s just that when you put the chips in the middle and stack them both against each other, Ronnie’s clutch gene is better and it’s undeniable. It’s the cherry on top for not only me, but the new generation of footballers. However I’m certain there’s others (like Greenwood) who prefer Messi because he has all the tools in the tool kit. …..me personally, I don’t really care about the amount of tools (or lack of) specifically when comparing the 2. The difference maker is who shows up with their tools when it matters most. Again, that’s Cristiano.


as well as mentality which I haven’t really touched on either. It’s funny to think how misconceived Ronnie was only a few years ago, that people/media span it as if he was some piss poor teammate. Turns out that’s a lot more-so Messi (when comparing the 2!) than him and it’s well known now in the footballing universe. I get that not everyone is or has to be a vocal leader to lead (which Messi doesn’t do nearly as much to the extent as CR7); if not that, then it’s by play and body language. And boy when the tough gets going, Messi slouches around, head down, walking with not a single care in the world, with honestly quite shocking body language for someone as talented as he is. Whereas Ronnie, not only vocally is he making a difference with his teammates but his demeanour never lets down. How inspiring is that when your best player that everyone looks to in the biggest moment is optimistic and never giving up? So it’s honestly not all that surprising when considering that, why Messi more often has disappeared in the biggest stages/moments/spotlight/whatever you want to call it than Ronaldo. Goes back to that whole talent-hard work thing…behaviour and mannerisms don’t go unnoticed either and clearly it’s had an impact to their legacies and lasting images in the eyes of footballing fans.

& in my opinion (plus a whole lot of others), it’s why the balance is tipped in favour of one/CR7 over the other/Messi. Like I said before it’s not really a huge deal but it’s the icing on top. That’s why Ronnie earns the nod. In the biggest stage, everyone knows he’ll show up and won’t go down without a fight — same can’t be said for Lionel. He’s like the Tom Brady or Kobe Bryant/MJ of football. May not be as all around talented as another player that’s in their league and close enough to be a compared to (like Peyton Manning or Lebron). But everyone knows those players never-say-die effort, thus always being reliable on to show up when the stakes are raised the highest is what propels then above their competitors.
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Absolute rubbish, Ronaldo has had as many painfully mediocre finals on the biggest stage as good ones. And Messi thumped him time and time again whenever they faced off.

Ronaldo has an amazing mentality but when you look at the CL final highlights you’ll often find his teammates had better matches than he did.
 
MrEleson said:
I know the general notion round here is that the people who really understand football know Messi is better but why is it almost all of the younger generation prefer Cristiano?
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I think it's because Ronaldo makes a better role model. Ronaldo has the narrative that if you work hard you will achieve success. Messi's narrative is more like he was gifted talent by God or something like that which isnt a story you can look up to.
 
jamesjimmybyrondean said:
I think it's because Ronaldo makes a better role model. Ronaldo has the narrative that if you work hard you will achieve success. Messi's narrative is more like he was gifted talent by God or something like that which isnt a story you can look up to.
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The guy with a rape case pending is a better role model? Ronaldo absolutely works hard as hell but he’s not exactly a role model as amazing of a footballer as he is
 
jamesjimmybyrondean said:
I think it's because Ronaldo makes a better role model. Ronaldo has the narrative that if you work hard you will achieve success. Messi's narrative is more like he was gifted talent by God or something like that which isnt a story you can look up to.
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Ronaldo is a classic rags to riches story. He came from a very impoverished background in Madeira where his family struggled to afford the basics. Moved to England at a young age and shortly lost his father thereafter as well. His story to the top is admirable.
 
Ronaldo has always had abundance of natural talent, but just never has much as Messi however he's an absolute perfectionist at training which has taken him to the heights that he has. It's much more productive to have an idol to works increidbly hard to maximise his talent rather than player who's has god gifted genius and is a laze trainer.
 
Gehrman said:
Ronaldo has always had abundance of natural talent, but just never has much as Messi however he's an absolute perfectionist at training which has taken him to the heights that he has. It's much more productive to have an idol to works increidbly hard to maximise his talent rather than player who's has god gifted genius and is a laze trainer.
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Since when is Messi a lazy trainer?
 
Cal? said:
Seriously? You've been around long enough to know this polls is fixed by some idiot years ago.
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You are really earning back your tagline of "The Donald Trump of CR7 Fans"
 
Daysleeper said:
The guy with a rape case pending is a better role model? Ronaldo absolutely works hard as hell but he’s not exactly a role model as amazing of a footballer as he is
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Ffs what has his off field rumors has to do with getting inspired by his professionalism and hard work.

As for his case, call me misogynist but I don't trust women blindly.
 
CanadianUtd said:
Because they prefer a serial winner. What’s that saying — hard work beats talent when talents doesn’t work hard enough? Something like that. And it summarizes Cristiano vs. Messi when comparing the 2 (not anyone else). And to state the obvious again, not to say Messi doesn’t work hard. But this is specifically when comparing the 2. And it’s Ronnie without a doubt. His work ethic and consistency is untouchable.

Like imo, Messi is the better all arounder talented footballer. It’s cool and all but often times it’s not enough as he doesn’t put it together when it matters most. Ronaldo on the other hand? He doesn’t do as many things that he used to in the past (people forget how dynamic he was in his United/early RM days and it’s quite sad) because he’s become efficient and has specialized in what makes him most effective better than any other footballer. Not saying that 1 is better/worse than the other because both are so so amazing. It’s just that when you put the chips in the middle and stack them both against each other, Ronnie’s clutch gene is better and it’s undeniable. It’s the cherry on top for not only me, but the new generation of footballers. However I’m certain there’s others (like Greenwood) who prefer Messi because he has all the tools in the tool kit. …..me personally, I don’t really care about the amount of tools (or lack of) specifically when comparing the 2. The difference maker is who shows up with their tools when it matters most. Again, that’s Cristiano.


as well as mentality which I haven’t really touched on either. It’s funny to think how misconceived Ronnie was only a few years ago, that people/media span it as if he was some piss poor teammate. Turns out that’s a lot more-so Messi (when comparing the 2!) than him and it’s well known now in the footballing universe. I get that not everyone is or has to be a vocal leader to lead (which Messi doesn’t do nearly as much to the extent as CR7); if not that, then it’s by play and body language. And boy when the tough gets going, Messi slouches around, head down, walking with not a single care in the world, with honestly quite shocking body language for someone as talented as he is. Whereas Ronnie, not only vocally is he making a difference with his teammates but his demeanour never lets down. How inspiring is that when your best player that everyone looks to in the biggest moment is optimistic and never giving up? So it’s honestly not all that surprising when considering that, why Messi more often has disappeared in the biggest stages/moments/spotlight/whatever you want to call it than Ronaldo. Goes back to that whole talent-hard work thing…behaviour and mannerisms don’t go unnoticed either and clearly it’s had an impact to their legacies and lasting images in the eyes of footballing fans.

& in my opinion (plus a whole lot of others), it’s why the balance is tipped in favour of one/CR7 over the other/Messi. Like I said before it’s not really a huge deal but it’s the icing on top. That’s why Ronnie earns the nod. In the biggest stage, everyone knows he’ll show up and won’t go down without a fight — same can’t be said for Lionel. He’s like the Tom Brady or Kobe Bryant/MJ of football. May not be as all around talented as another player that’s in their league and close enough to be a compared to (like Peyton Manning or Lebron). But everyone knows those players never-say-die effort, thus always being reliable on to show up when the stakes are raised the highest is what propels then above their competitors.
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Doing gestures while playing like shit doesn't make a player better.

Ronaldo was very poor against Belgium in the last Euro, doing gestures because he was getting eliminated doesn't erase how poorly he performed on that match.

Individually Messi is better.
 
Daysleeper said:
The guy with a rape case pending is a better role model? Ronaldo absolutely works hard as hell but he’s not exactly a role model as amazing of a footballer as he is
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^ this is how you know you're losing an argument. Any time Messi has a shite game in ligue 1 it's like his fans go into overdrive. Chill.
 
CanadianUtd said:
Because they prefer a serial winner. What’s that saying — hard work beats talent when talents doesn’t work hard enough? Something like that. And it summarizes Cristiano vs. Messi when comparing the 2 (not anyone else). And to state the obvious again, not to say Messi doesn’t work hard. But this is specifically when comparing the 2. And it’s Ronnie without a doubt. His work ethic and consistency is untouchable.
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Their work ethic and consistency is almost identical though.... so, I don't get this point?
 
shamans said:
^ this is how you know you're losing an argument. Any time Messi has a shite game in ligue 1 it's like his fans go into overdrive. Chill.
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Sorry but that’s a moronic take. I’ve already said Ronaldo has a great mentality but a rape case doesn’t exactly scream role model does it? This is in regards to people saying he’s a role mode. That’s why it was brought up.
 
Cal? said:
Which part of what I said isn't true? This poll is rigged, and pretending not to realize is just typical Messi brigade behaviour.
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:lol:
The poll is not "rigged" but please, carry on Mr. Donald Trump of CR7 fans.
 
Daysleeper said:
Sorry but that’s a moronic take. I’ve already said Ronaldo has a great mentality but a rape case doesn’t exactly scream role model does it? This is in regards to people saying he’s a role mode. That’s why it was brought up.
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I think he meant professional role model.
 
Cal? said:
Which part of what I said isn't true? This poll is rigged, and pretending not to realize is just typical Messi brigade behaviour.
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Every poll on Internet shows Messi 60/40 so maybe you're right and it's rigged
 
Daysleeper said:
Sorry but that’s a moronic take. I’ve already said Ronaldo has a great mentality but a rape case doesn’t exactly scream role model does it? This is in regards to people saying he’s a role mode. That’s why it was brought up.
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An accusation means nothing. You or I could get accused.
 
shamans said:
An accusation means nothing. You or I could get accused.
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He has been accused twice though. Many public figures manage to get through their whole lives without being accused even once of that crime.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
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The poll is not "rigged" but please, carry on Mr. Donald Trump of CR7 fans.
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The poll was rigged at one point during the period when Ronaldo was about to overtake the votes, the mod has intentionally closed it and only reopened after lengthy period when it starts to favours Messi more. It’s ok if you didn’t went through that period here, just ask around, I supposed most in cafe would know.
 
If Messi doesn't soon get going he'll lose the Ballon D'or to Lewandowski. Losing his chance to be well clear perhaps forever.
 
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TBH looking at this, I'm surprised at how many assists Gerd Muller and Van Basten have, but often that comes from playing as a forward in a 4-4-2. I don't believe that assists is the sole measure of creativity either even if it has something to say. By that measure someone like Scholes wasn't creative. Also assists are obviously to some degree dependent on whether the person receiving the final pass is any good at finishing a chance or not.
 
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Gehrman said:
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TBH looking at this, I'm surprised at how many assists Gerd Muller and Van Basten have, but often that comes from playing as a forward in a 4-4-2. I don't believe that assists is the sole measure of creativity either even if it has something to say. By that measure someone like Scholes wasn't creative. Also assists are obviously to some degree dependent on whether the person receiving the final pass is anything at finishing a chance or not.
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This is why Pele is the greatest player of all time
 
Pocho said:
https://onefootball.com/en/news/lionel-messi-doesnt-surprise-in-twitter-polls-29719664

All polls Messi wins by a huge margin.
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Well not exactly all isn't it? As we have already name you 2 of the largest polls (400k+ each) which tells otherwise. And some those you list here are really small polls, including those 28k and 60k polls.

- Sky Sports News on GOAT, 2020 - Ronaldo wins (480k polls)
- Macra on GOAT, 2020 - Ronaldo wins (450k polls)

- Sky Sports News on greatest, 2019 - Messi wins (145k polls)
- Lineker on greatest, 2019 - Messi wins (382k polls)
- Sportbible, 2019 - Messi wins (60k polls)
- Goal, 2018 - Messi wins (28k polls)

Ronaldo wins in 2 polls (total 930k voters)
Messi wins in 4 polls (total 620k voters)

I am sure Messi might have won more other polls though, but I'm just having fun here, you know, whenever people say "all polls Messi wins".
 
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RedRonaldo said:
The poll was rigged at one point during the period when Ronaldo was about to overtake the votes, the mod has intentionally closed it and only reopened after lengthy period when it starts to favours Messi more. It’s ok if you didn’t went through that period here, just ask around, I supposed most in cafe would know.
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The temporary close of the poll was not "rigging" it. Plus it was re-opened anyway so anyone that wanted to vote for CR could just vote for him now. "Rigging" has very different connotations. Such a bizarre thing for the "CR Brigade" to whine about. The poll's been open for ages again so if CR really had more votes, he'd have them. There is just no rational talking to fanboys like the Donald Trump of CR7 fans.
 
shamans said:
An accusation means nothing. You or I could get accused.
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Sure, but an accusation that is taken to civil court? Whole different story. The fact that he won’t step foot onto US soil because of the case speaks volumes
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
The temporary close of the poll was not "rigging" it. Plus it was re-opened anyway so anyone that wanted to vote for CR could just vote for him now. "Rigging" has very different connotations. Such a bizarre thing for the "CR Brigade" to whine about. The poll's been open for ages again so if CR really had more votes, he'd have them. There is just no rational talking to fanboys like the Donald Trump of CR7 fans.
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Of course it was. Mods did try to manipulate it at one point, and stop people from voting when it favours Ronaldo more, its clear sign of rigging, don't know what you are trying to deny here.

Really, even some of biggest Messi fans here admit it was rigged at one point too, theres no point to argue that, but just that nobody cares because it was kind of pointless anyway. Not that I'd disagree with the polls result later on when it re-opens. The polls does always change upon which player shines better over different period of time, as long as it always open. For example, its now getting closer to 50/50 again, I could imagine mod might have to close it again when it reach 50/50. But its rigged, because its not always an open poll, it is only opened when situation favours one side, and closed when situation favours another side.
 
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Gehrman said:
If Messi doesn't soon get going he'll lose the Ballon D'or to Lewandowski. Losing his chance to be well clear perhaps forever.
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Nah, he’s still heavily favoured over Lewa and once he won the Copa and Bayern lost out on CL it was over.

lewa is amazing but the problem with playing in a one horse league is it’s CL or bust if it isn’t a year where an international trophy can be won.
 
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