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There's a lot of talk about if hazard had this that and the other he'd match them, but he doesn't have it so he isn't near them.

Ronaldinho is someone who reached their levels however it was only a few years.

That's what makes CR7 and Messi two of the greatest. It's not just the ability it's the longevity.

I think people should just appreciate them while they are still playing. We all have our opinions and I don't think by now anyone is going to sway anyone on who they think is best, it's set in stone in all our heads one way or another.
 
SportingCP96 said:
Pele been discussed. He is nowhere near Ronaldo Messi or Maradona. He played in a nothing era of football and Garrincha was arguably better then him but didn’t have the same appeal.

Messi folds under pressure and has many a times.

No matter what Messi QUIT on his country after he missed the penalty. No GOAT in history has ever done that. He is disqualified off of that alone.

Ronaldo has out shone Messi in multiple derbies as well. You can’t single out on it games when they played each other because 09 and 11 were the greatest Barca team ever.

I do remember folding list a lawn chair vs Roma and Liverpool and sulking all over the pitch. I remember him doing the shame while Barca were getting dismantled vs Bayern. I remember him quitting in a final.

I also remember Ronaldo leading his team to its first ever major trophy ever. I saw him single handedly claw Juve out of a whole vs atlético that same game Messi would of not even been on the pitch he would be a ghost.

I’ve seen him do the same vs Wolfsburg and many a more.

In the KO rounds of the CL which is the biggest competition and most competitive in the sport. The most important games, these are the numbers. It’s not even remotely close. Their is no bigger moment player then Ronaldo in the sport.

Ronaldo- 79 games 67 goals 10 assists
Messi- 71 games 47 goals 14 assists

Fate of the universe on the line and you give me the option of Ronaldo or Messi it’s Ronaldo 10 times out of 10 .

Also about all time goals you forget the fact that for the first 7 years If Ronaldo’s career he was a traditional winger where as Messi always played as an inside forward his whole career. Ronaldo has evolved and changed his whole game 3x which is unprecedented.

He is the greatest score the game has ever seen.

Dominated 3 leagues

5CL titles a 3 peat a Euro for a country that never previously won one.

Their has been a Messi before his name was Maradona. Their has never ever been a Cristiano Ronaldo. He is a 1/1 in the sport.

As I said

Ronaldo, MJ, Brady cut from the same cloth and the top dogs of their respective sports.

IF Ronaldo somehow at 37 was to lead this United team to a EPL title it’s a wrap.

On the flip if PSG can not win a CL with the monster team they have built it would be an ultimate failure.
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Pele was what Messi is. A dribbling attacking midfielder who created, scored and set the tempo of his team. Everything went through him. Garrincha being better than him, is similar to Iniesta is better than Messi argument. No doubt both Iniesta and Garrincha are generational talents who were ridiculous players, but the general consensus was never that they were better than Messi or Pele respectively. This is a hipster myth, which is carried till now.
Pele was a better dribbler than Garrincha too
 
Red Stone said:
Before Ronaldo, Portugal failed to qualify for 10 different World Cups. Before Messi, Argentina have only failed to qualify for one. Argentina have also been ranked higher than Portugal both before and after Messi and Ronaldo entered the scene. Comparing the two like-for-like is ridiculous. Portugal pre and post Ronaldo are two completely different beasts. Argentina were arguably a better before Messi started playing for them. In addition, in Argentina's World Cup run in 2014 Angel Di Maria was arguably as important for them as Messi. It wasn't like it was a one-man carry job.


Even when Juve went out against Lyon in 19/20 Ronaldo stood up as the best player on the pitch and scored two goals in an attempt to drag Juve through the tie. He at least left the pitch with some pride, as opposed to Messi who was very much complicit in Barca's feckless bottle jobs vs. Bayern, Roma and Liverpool.
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Portugal from 1996 to 2004 were a very good team with Luis Figo winning the Ballon d’Or and Rui Costa one of the best number 10s in the world. Now outside Ronaldo, Portugal have 3 or 4 of the best players in the PL. It says more about the turn around in Portugal’s improved development and youth structures than it does one player. When Ronaldo retires they’ll still qualify for tournaments, they have more than enough talent.

‘Argentina were arguably better before he played for them’. Well Euro 2000 Portugal were a better overall team than almost every Portugal team in Ronaldo’s 17 years in the team.
 
SportingCP96 said:
I never said Messi was Rodgers. I didn't even state who Messi was in football.

I did compare him to Lebron in terms of pure talent in the game.
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sorry, yes you didn't make that comparision.. my fault
 
Red Stone said:
I'm going to answer this and then I'm giving this up. I don't have the patience to argue with someone that has the free time to post almost 60 posts in the same thread in three days and consistently brings up strawman after strawman in an attempt to score internet points. For a guy accuses someone of loving another player you sure are a little bit too invested in this thread.

What if Hazard had Ronaldo’s work ethic and consistency?
Yeah, well... He doesn't. No-one does. That's why Ronaldo is the greatest.

Who was better as a teenager?
Ronaldo, hands down. Better performances and he did it in a far better league.

Did you watch them both back then?
I did. Hazard was exceptional, but the only teenagers I have seen in my lifetime that could compare to Ronaldo's talent are Rooney, Messi and Brazilian Ronaldo. Possibly Mbappe as well.

Who improved more from the bare bones?
Also Ronaldo.

All of these hypotheticals are spectacularly pointless exercises, by the way. I don't get what you're trying to accomplish by trying (and failing) to paint Hazard as some wasted talent that could have eclipsed Ronaldo in an alternate universe. Do you want to do Quaresma or Hatem Ben Arfa as well? What about Fabio Paim? Ronaldo himself even said that he was better, so that one should be easy!
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If you ‘don’t have the energy’, then see you later. And counting the posts helps you not one bit, I don’t particularly care to count what you’ve posted on any topic because it’s not relevant.

By the way, ‘no one has Ronaldo’s work ethic and consistency, that’s why he’s the greatest?!’ Yeah nothing at all to do with skill. Or being able to score a goal in the World Cup…..

Also, if you haven’t seen teenagers that could compare to Ronaldo’s talent as a teen then you haven’t seen much football. suggesting that Brazilian Ronaldo ‘could compare’ to CR as a teen when the former scored 200 goals before his 21st birthday just shows that you’re an acolyte and not an observer.

Spoken like a true worshipper. All the best.
 
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Lord SInister said:
Also this Cristiano is more clutch than Messi debate is seriously one of the most ridiculous arguments.
Messi had been playing with an aging Barcelona team since Neymar left/Xavi/Iniesta left and an Argentina team which has been for years most dependent on him to create and score, with holes everywhere, yet he was performing well against every team. I mean people always bring up the Liverpool game, but if we take it as a whole, Barcelona lost that tie 4-3. How anywhere a player who was behind the 3 goals his team scored who lost 4-3, not a player who will you take if you want to win.
This Ronaldo being more clutch than Messi, is seriously one of the most ridiculous myths created. I mean Messi has been saving Barcelona god knows since when, yet all that is highlighted is matched he couldn't win them matches and than it is concluded he isn't clutch. That is such a biased and manipulated point of view.

Messi had one game where he was absolutely garbage and that was Roma game, but people forget how during that tournament he single handedly destroyed Chelsea and really good against Roma in first leg.

I mean there have been so many matches where Messi created and scored goals out of nowhere, when it looked like Barcelona are going to loose, but let us forget about those games and concentrate on games which he lost. By that logic, no player in the world is clutch.
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Not to mention he scored a hattrick against Real Madrid when he was 19 and Barcelona were down to 10 men. Or the other times he's twatted madrid at the end of the match.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
The Hazard hypotheticals in this thread are absolutely mind-boggling.

'If he was more consistent'

'If he had Ronaldo's work ethic'

The fact of the matter is that Hazard is nowhere near Ronaldo nor Messi. It's an insult to even bring him up.
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It’s an insult to being up one of the best players of his generation and speculate on how he could have been better? Sure OK
 
fck said:
@SportingCP96 It's probably not wrong to say that Ronaldo is more clutch than Messi (though I've seen Ronaldo fold plenty of times as well). But why do you always need to exaggerate so much? Ronaldo is Brady and Messi is Rodgers is a an absolute joke comparison.
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You are right. Both Messi and Ronaldo are far and above those two. Particularly that fraud Brady.
 
Worshippers and blind fanboys of Messi are trying to gain the upper hand of this meaningless debate against worshippers and blind fanboys of Ronaldo, and vice versa.

This thread is golden. Keep them up lads.
 
Lord SInister said:
People always bring up the Liverpool game, but if we take it as a whole, Barcelona lost that tie 4-3. How anywhere a player who was behind the 3 goals his team scored who lost 4-3, not a player who will you take if you want to win.
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You can take the tie as a whole. The problem is that the tie consists of two football games played weeks apart, and the second one ended in a laughable 4-0 defeat.

It wasn't like, an embarrassing Messi performance or anything. But surely you can see the change from "best player in history, unsurpassed, nobody can match him" to "well you can't expect him to score in two games" is a bit silly.
 
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fck said:
@SportingCP96 It's probably not wrong to say that Ronaldo is more clutch than Messi (though I've seen Ronaldo fold plenty of times as well). But why do you always need to exaggerate so much? Ronaldo is Brady and Messi is Rodgers is a an absolute joke comparison.
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That the comparison he makes because he worships Ronaldo. Anyone who doesn’t can see that it is a silly comparison. I think Messi has achieved more in the game than Ronaldo but I accept that it can be argued the other way. But suggesting that the gap is Brady v Rodgers is just delsusional.
 
Lord SInister said:
Also this Cristiano is more clutch than Messi debate is seriously one of the most ridiculous arguments.
Messi had been playing with an aging Barcelona team since Neymar left/Xavi/Iniesta left and an Argentina team which has been for years most dependent on him to create and score, with holes everywhere, yet he was performing well against every team. I mean people always bring up the Liverpool game, but if we take it as a whole, Barcelona lost that tie 4-3. How anywhere a player who was behind the 3 goals his team scored who lost 4-3, not a player who will you take if you want to win.
This Ronaldo being more clutch than Messi, is seriously one of the most ridiculous myths created. I mean Messi has been saving Barcelona god knows since when, yet all that is highlighted is matched he couldn't win them matches and than it is concluded he isn't clutch. That is such a biased and manipulated point of view.

Messi had one game where he was absolutely garbage and that was Roma game, but people forget how during that tournament he single handedly destroyed Chelsea and really good against Roma in first leg.

I mean there have been so many matches where Messi created and scored goals out of nowhere, when it looked like Barcelona are going to loose, but let us forget about those games and concentrate on games which he lost. By that logic, no player in the world is clutch.
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I think this clutch notion comes from American sports perception, especially basketball. You simply can't apply the same logic to football since the sports are fundamentally different. IMO there are two primary drivers for that:

a) In basketball, the key player has much more influence on the outcome of a game (hence the "he carried his team" stuff)
b) In basketball, you're expected to score/make a key play in much more situations while in football, most great plays you make won't lead to a goal anyway (hence the "bottling", "clutch" and "there when it matters" stuff)

Add to that that basketball is a high scoring game so that there will logically be less surprising results (underdog beating the favorite) and you get a fundamentally wrong understanding of football. It is result oriented thinking. I also think the over emphasize on stats is a development fueled by growing American interest in football. US sports are just much more suited to being quantified than football which is much more improvised and with fewer structures.
 
Eplel said:
Anyone that would pick a joker like Neymar, who has played less than 50% of his teams league games since joining for a record fee, over a model professional like Ronaldo, who even at 36 gives his 100%, is out of their minds and have no idea about football outside FIFA on PS4
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Yeah, totally insane. Comparing the two players using maybe a snapshot of one or two games, then maybe. As it stands, looking at their careers as a whole so far, Neymar has some massive work ahead to even come close.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
feck me he played 322 minutes in one of those CL titles you’re giving him :lol:
Missed every minute of the quarters, semis and final and scored one goal all tournament v Panathinaikos. Something of a Luke Chadwick Premier League title that.
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Yup.

Ronaldo has played in 6 CL finals and won 5 (1 with United, 4 with Real Madrid). Messi has played 3 finals and won 3. It's a pretty stark difference.

Messi probably has a better chance to win it now and make it closer.
 
Steve Bruce said:
There's a lot of talk about if hazard had this that and the other he'd match them, but he doesn't have it so he isn't near them.

Ronaldinho is someone who reached their levels however it was only a few years.

That's what makes CR7 and Messi two of the greatest. It's not just the ability it's the longevity.

I think people should just appreciate them while they are still playing. We all have our opinions and I don't think by now anyone is going to sway anyone on who they think is best, it's set in stone in all our heads one way or another.
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World Cup win either way. That would change minds. Some hardliners would still argue their corner but deep down they’d realise it was futile.
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
Yup.

Ronaldo has played in 6 CL finals and won 5 (1 with United, 4 with Real Madrid). Messi has played 3 finals and won 3. It's a pretty stark difference.

Messi probably has a better chance to win it now and make it closer.
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Messi’s performances in the finals were better though.
 
Wow, this thread has really grown in just a day, I'm feeling so left out.
 
NasirTimothy said:
Messi’s performances in the finals were better though.
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Messi shouldn't even have been at the 2009 final if it wasn't for the worst refereeing performance of all time. If we had VAR then, Chelsea probably had 5 penalites.
 
Volumiza said:
Yeah, totally insane. Comparing the two players using maybe a snapshot of one or two games, then maybe. As it stands, looking at their careers as a whole so far, Neymar has some massive work ahead to even come close.
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Since 2018, Neymar had an xGC of 1.31 and scored a goal every 118 minutes. Messi has an xGC of 1.16 and a goal every 94 minutes. Ronaldo has an xGC of 1.03 and scored a goal every 117 minutes. Neymar also reached a CL final being the best player of his team.

It's anything but an insane claim to suggest Neymar is better than Cristiano right now. It's even reasonable to suggest he's better than Messi these days. He's most likely the best creator in the world and one of the best goal scorers as well when fit.
 
Cal? said:
Messi shouldn't even have been at the 2009 final if it wasn't for the worst refereeing performance of all time. If we had VAR then, Chelsea probably had 5 penalites.
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And Madrid would have had lots of offside goals chalked off if we had VAR. And there’d be no Hand of God goal. Let’s not go down that route, what’s happened has happened.
 
SportingCP96 said:
Pele been discussed. He is nowhere near Ronaldo Messi or Maradona. He played in a nothing era of football and Garrincha was arguably better then him but didn’t have the same appeal.

Messi folds under pressure and has many a times.

No matter what Messi QUIT on his country after he missed the penalty. No GOAT in history has ever done that. He is disqualified off of that alone.

Ronaldo has out shone Messi in multiple derbies as well. You can’t single out on it games when they played each other because 09 and 11 were the greatest Barca team ever.

I do remember folding list a lawn chair vs Roma and Liverpool and sulking all over the pitch. I remember him doing the shame while Barca were getting dismantled vs Bayern. I remember him quitting in a final.

I also remember Ronaldo leading his team to its first ever major trophy ever. I saw him single handedly claw Juve out of a whole vs atlético that same game Messi would of not even been on the pitch he would be a ghost.

I’ve seen him do the same vs Wolfsburg and many a more.

In the KO rounds of the CL which is the biggest competition and most competitive in the sport. The most important games, these are the numbers. It’s not even remotely close. Their is no bigger moment player then Ronaldo in the sport.

Ronaldo- 79 games 67 goals 10 assists
Messi- 71 games 47 goals 14 assists

Fate of the universe on the line and you give me the option of Ronaldo or Messi it’s Ronaldo 10 times out of 10 .

Also about all time goals you forget the fact that for the first 7 years If Ronaldo’s career he was a traditional winger where as Messi always played as an inside forward his whole career. Ronaldo has evolved and changed his whole game 3x which is unprecedented.

He is the greatest score the game has ever seen.

Dominated 3 leagues

5CL titles a 3 peat a Euro for a country that never previously won one.

Their has been a Messi before his name was Maradona. Their has never ever been a Cristiano Ronaldo. He is a 1/1 in the sport.

As I said

Ronaldo, MJ, Brady cut from the same cloth and the top dogs of their respective sports.

IF Ronaldo somehow at 37 was to lead this United team to a EPL title it’s a wrap.

On the flip if PSG can not win a CL with the monster team they have built it would be an ultimate failure.
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Feck me. Some nonsense gets posted on here but this is right up there. Pele played in a nothing era of football? Jesus. That should be your tagline or something.


For what it's worth i think Messi is the more talented but Ronaldo has made himself into the more effective footballer. Maradona was both.
 
Zehner said:
Since 2018, Neymar had an xGC of 1.31 and scored a goal every 118 minutes. Messi has an xGC of 1.16 and a goal every 94 minutes. Ronaldo has an xGC of 1.03 and scored a goal every 117 minutes. Neymar also reached a CL final being the best player of his team.

It's anything but an insane claim to suggest Neymar is better than Cristiano right now. It's even reasonable to suggest he's better than Messi these days. He's most likely the best creator in the world and one of the best goal scorers as well when fit.
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Neymar lead his team to 2nd place in a 1 team league just last season. :lol:

How PSG with that squad managed to lose to Lille & Monaco in recent years is nothing short of hilarious.
 
Zehner said:
Since 2018, Neymar had an xGC of 1.31 and scored a goal every 118 minutes. Messi has an xGC of 1.16 and a goal every 94 minutes. Ronaldo has an xGC of 1.03 and scored a goal every 117 minutes. Neymar also reached a CL final being the best player of his team.

It's anything but an insane claim to suggest Neymar is better than Cristiano right now. It's even reasonable to suggest he's better than Messi these days. He's most likely the best creator in the world and one of the best goal scorers as well when fit.
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Anyone who’d watched him play for Brazil at the Copa America would realise this, he was displaying insane levels of ability. But of course people don’t watch him so they balk at comparison to their idol. I agree with you that it’s a reasonable debate between him and Messi now also.
 
Cal? said:
Neymar lead his team to 2nd place in a 1 team league just last season. :lol:

How PSG with that squad managed to lose to Lille & Monaco in recent years is nothing short of hilarious.
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Zehner said:
I think this clutch notion comes from American sports perception, especially basketball. You simply can't apply the same logic to football since the sports are fundamentally different. IMO there are two primary drivers for that:

a) In basketball, the key player has much more influence on the outcome of a game (hence the "he carried his team" stuff)
b) In basketball, you're expected to score/make a key play in much more situations while in football, most great plays you make won't lead to a goal anyway (hence the "bottling", "clutch" and "there when it matters" stuff)

Add to that that basketball is a high scoring game so that there will logically be less surprising results (underdog beating the favorite) and you get a fundamentally wrong understanding of football. It is result oriented thinking. I also think the over emphasize on stats is a development fueled by growing American interest in football. US sports are just much more suited to being quantified than football which is much more improvised and with fewer structures.
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NasirTimothy said:
Anyone who’d watched him play for Brazil at the Copa America would realise this, he was displaying insane levels of ability. But of course people don’t watch him so they balk at comparison to their idol. I agree with you that it’s a reasonable debate between him and Messi now also.
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Frankly that Copa format was so ridiculous it rendered the entire group stage completely pointless. Both Argentina & Brazil would have made the QF if they lose every single group game after the 1st.

Paquetá was the one who led Brazil to the final.
 
I don't disagree with the part you quoting yourself, but the point remains that Neymar's stats you quoted after 2018 mainly comes from a league that's currently 6th in Europe (behind Portugal) in Uefa's opinion.
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
You can take the tie as a whole. The problem is that the tie consists of two football games played weeks apart, and the second one ended in a laughable 4-0 defeat.

It wasn't like, an embarrassing Messi performance or anything. But surely you can see the change from "best player in history, unsurpassed, nobody can match him" to "well you can't expect him to score in two games" is a bit silly.
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Yes it was a laughable 4-0 defeat, but how can Messi be accused of not stepping up, yet somehow when someone points out the Juve defeats to Ajax, Lyon and Porto, it is suddenly Juve as a team did not perform.

I am not saying Ronaldo is not clutch or only Messi is clutch, both players have had matches where they were the difference between lose and win. I mean you are a Madrid fan, you know how much Messi was dreaded and how many times when it looked like you guys have won the tie or done the job, he spoiled it for you.

My point is why some people criticize Messi for loses which were inevitable, while at the same time make excuses for Cristiano. And it is same for Messi fans, who do the vice versa.
 
Cal? said:
Neymar lead his team to 2nd place in a 1 team league just last season. :lol:

How PSG with that squad managed to lose to Lille & Monaco in recent years is nothing short of hilarious.
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Cal? said:
Frankly that Copa format was so ridiculous it rendered the entire group stage completely pointless. Both Argentina & Brazil would have made the QF if they lose every single group game after the 1st.

Paquetá was the one who led Brazil to the final.
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My goodness. You will do or say anything to stop Ronaldo being compared to anyone. It’s incredible.

Who in your eyes is your second favourite player behind him? Your second GOAT?
 
NasirTimothy said:
My goodness. You will do or say anything to stop Ronaldo being compared to anyone. It’s incredible.

Who in your eyes is your second favourite player behind him? Your second GOAT?
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I've said it many times, Messi is 2nd GOAT, by some distant from the 3rd
 
Cal? said:
I don't disagree with the part you quoting yourself, but the point remains that Neymar's stats you quoted after 2018 mainly comes from a league that's currently 6th in Europe (behind Portugal) in Uefa's opinion.
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Here are the CL stats for Messi, Neymar and Cristiano since 2018.

This paints a very clear picture. Goals and assists:

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Neymar0.680.39
Messi0.880.35
Cristiano0.620.22

Unfortunately no xGC on this website but I think it is relatively clear that Neymar outperforms Ronaldo in that regard based on these stats. And that's Cristiano's strongest domain. If we also consider dribbling and passing stats, it becomes even clearer to say the least.
 
Zehner said:
Here are the CL stats for Messi, Neymar and Cristiano since 2018.

This paints a very clear picture. Goals and assists:

PlayerGoals per 90Assists per 90
Neymar0.680.39
Messi0.880.35
Cristiano0.620.22

Unfortunately no xGC on this website but I think it is relatively clear that Neymar outperforms Ronaldo in that regard based on these stats. And that's Cristiano's strongest domain. If we also consider dribbling and passing stats, it becomes even clearer to say the least.
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There’s context that is missing from these stats so you can’t really use them to say that Neymar has been better than Ronaldo. But what they do make clear is that Neymar is a very very good player. People just need to acknowledge this. Look at his international goal contribution record as well.
 
Funny thing is Ronaldo is rarely mentioned when people discuss the GOAT. Where as, Messi is most people’s’ GOAT or at least always in the conversation.
Messi has 67 more Goals+assists although he has played 117 less games than CR7. Even the stats are against him let alone all the other things Messi does on the pitch.
 
NasirTimothy said:
There’s context that is missing from these stats so you can’t really use them to say that Neymar has been better than Ronaldo. But what they do make clear is that Neymar is a very very good player. People just need to acknowledge this. Look at his international goal contribution record as well.
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He is a really good player arguably the best attacking player in 2010s apart from Messi/Cristiano, but Zehnar comes from a thought of school where he says Neymar is a better player than Ronaldo, and that is what most are disagreeing. And it isnt just about this season or recent times, he thinks Neymar is better than Ronaldo period.
 
Lord SInister said:
He is a really good player arguably the best attacking player in 2010s apart from Messi/Cristiano, but Zehnar comes from a thought of school where he says Neymar is a better player than Ronaldo, and that is what most are disagreeing. And it isnt just about this season or recent times, he thinks Neymar is better than Ronaldo period.
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Bullshit. Prime Cristiano is better than Neymar. Please stop this nonsense
 
As good as Ronaldo is, outside of Ronaldo fans i have never heard any footballer/coach call Ronaldo the GOAT. He simply isnt a part of the GOAT conversation due to the lack of talent when compared to the likes of Messi or Maradona. For the same reason Gerd Muller is never mentioned despite a better scoring/clutch record than Ronaldo.
 
Lord SInister said:
You have said that you consider Neymar a superior player than Ronaldo previously. And it was not about current form.
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Sorry, but that can not be true because it never was my opinion. Neymar is better now but not better than Cristiano used to be between 2008 and around 2013.
 
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