That is fair enough, especially as Bolivia are only 2 places ahead of Uzbekistan in the world ranking. However going off rankings is a bit silly, Germany are 13th currently, behind Mexico, Uruguay and Denmark.
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Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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That is fair enough, especially as Bolivia are only 2 places ahead of Uzbekistan in the world ranking. However going off rankings is a bit silly, Germany are 13th currently, behind Mexico, Uruguay and Denmark.
And I’m not even gonna disagree with you necessarily, I mean Ronaldo is the greatest header of the ball in history. I just imagine a little guy like Messi doing it in a CL final over Rio and Vidic was just dumb founding and I feel like over the years you hear more about that goal than Ronaldo vs Roma but again because of what was at stake I suppose it makes sense.
haven’t said one thing myself about that match because I agree. Felt the same way when Ronaldo scored against a dire Ireland
So Cavani is better than Maradona and Messi because he went to a great club instead of Napoli or PSG.Ronaldo is still playing in the best leagues while the younger messi has his first club move and its to psg where his team are pretty much guaranteed silverware.
Its only really barca and messi fanboys scraping the bottom of the barrel for anything to put ronaldo lower than messi when its clear now who has the better 'goat' mentality.
Test yourself in the ultimate league or go take points from championship level teams and chill out with neymar and that rat di maria. Cant believe I just read someone saying messi scores even better headers ffs
Messi's header against United or Ronaldo's overhead kick against Juve. Which is the greater goal to you
It’s not about how meaningless it is, it’s about their contribution. It’s still a league title.
Regardless, that first goal scored by Messi was better than Ronaldo has scored in a long long time
Sure, one which could have been won with you and I sitting on the bench.
Messi against United. Hell, bale’s overhead was arguably better than Ronaldo’s
Come on . How is a header better than an overhead kick
Doing it against two elite defenders when you’re 5’7 in high heels and in a CL final no less. Much more iconic.
There's no way it is better
In that case I present Ronaldo's header against Chelsea in the CL final, jumping higher, better direction on the ball.
Jesus Christ I get you’re probably a troll but this is just embarrassing.
Rio and Vidic were great but thought that was poor defending from them esp Rio who didn't keep tight to Messi if he did he would have cleared that cross no problem . Messi didn't have to beat anyone, it was a decent cross that found Messi perfectly, obviously you have to put it in the net, but expected for a player of that calibre.
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It wasn’t the best defending but considering the circumstance it was pretty iconic.
Don't think so, his Real semi goal is far more iconic imo.
No way, not at all. You’ll hear much more about Messi’s header.
He was completely unmarked. Had the been tighter to him it would have been more impressive, but it’s still no bicycle kick.
You are half right, it is a 101, but not for debate, rather it is for logic. And you are below that logic 101 mark.
So after being called out for using a logical fallacy, and after failing to worm your way out, you just decided to double down?
Below 101 level of logic - check
Stubborn - check
You appear to be the United/CR7 fanboy version of TY from AFTV
A reminder that so far I'm the intellectually dishonest one for suggesting Ronaldo vs Messi when it comes to great goals is a subjective matter and not objective. Yet you have these pearlers in this thread.
Bit ironic that the people who always accuse people who prefer Messi of just going by aesthetics now won't admit that he scores great goals more frequently. Anyway..
Of course not every goal from outside the box is a great goal. But I'm also sure all of us will agree that a goal from outside the box is more likely to be a great goal than a goal from inside the box. And while Messi scores a goal from outside the box every 12.9 games, Ronaldo does so every 18.9 ones. Obviously that's not the best metric to judge the "average greatness" of the goals of both players but it is the best we have right now. I'm also pretty sure that if we showed neutral observers every goal of both players and let them rate it on a scale from 1 to 10, Messi would have the higher average because the proportion of his generic goals is smaller than in Ronaldo's case.
So yeah, not every single one of Messi's 76 goals from outside the box were great one but I'm sure the vast majority was. And that's something Ronaldo has to compensate by his goals from within the box alone - and Messi also regularly scores beauties in that area. But that'll be my last post to this topic. I think this is very, very clear and won't be dragged further into this
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Now generally regarding the goals: I prefer Ronaldo's overhead kicks, back heel finishes, airtime headers and solo goals over his extreme long range shots. Sure, the latter are the most spectacular and surprising but I always watch them with a grain of salt because I think that it was dumb to attempt it from such a big distance.
You still didn't respond to my other comment about long range efforts but do you at least agree it is subjective and nothing to do with intellectual honesty ?
Just admit that was a fanboy moment where you lost it. happens to all of us.
Everything you talk about is speculation and opinions. Facts however are simple.
The facts are Ronaldo is playing for man united and Messi for PSG
Man united is more of a challenge than PSG in french league.
It may annoy you that Messi has joined PSG but that's the reality and denying it does no good..
So better dribbling means better player now?
Adel taraabt was better than carrick.
Point is don't knock a post for weird reasons.
Seems as though you're annoyed PSG went all out for Messi while rejecting Ronaldo.
Ironic that you'd talk about opinions Vs facts, before stating that a bunch of opinions.
No mate, then you misunderstood me. I still think you're being intellectually dishonest. I mean, just look at how you constantly adjust your arguments to squirm out of this. So maybe you should take your own advice more seriously.
I would also say that Messi's goals are better than Ronaldos. I feel that if you were to watch all goals from best to "worst" of both players, you would sooner begin to see tap ins and penalties in Ronaldos goal compilation. I also think that Messis lets say top 5 goals are better as well, because they represent the most difficult goals you can score as a footballer. There is a good reason why you very very rarely see footballers score a goal after dribbling past 4,5 players. I have seen ridiculous goals by average players. Long range, volleys, overhead kicks.. you name it but good luck asking those players to score a "Messi goal".
I agree with him. It's much more impressive to me that he scored that header.
Great header. Lampards goal was so good damn lucky, I'm still angry about it.In that case I present Ronaldo's header against Chelsea in the CL final, jumping higher, better direction on the ball.
It was a freaking free header after an awful clearance. It was a very well taken header and goal but there’s a reason it doesn’t get raved about like say Zidane, or Bales goal (which let’s be honest is the best UCL final goal ever). Because it wasn’t that special.
I'm just comparing it to the Ronaldo goal mentioned.
Ronaldo's goal was a freaking over head kick at crossbar height..
Going off rankings is completely stupid, Bolivia play totally different teams from Uzbekistan to formulate their respective ‘rankings’. That’s why you get accurate results like Mexico being ranked above Germany
Yes I am so gutted a glorious club like PSG rejected Ronaldo. What must have it done to his legacy to not join the oil club FC and play in the farmers league.
Intellectually dishonest is ignoring my replies calling you out.
I don't need to adjust my arguments. You basically said I'm intellectually dishonest if in my opinion Ronaldo has a better compilation of "great goals" and scores them more often vs Messi despite me thinking you can have an opinion for either one.
Beyond this I probably won't reply to you as I see you're not a reasonable poster just here to troll as any one would have agreed how ridiculous your statement was
Nope. He had a great game tbf and he will be known for that. His goal vs Real was far bigger and memorable.
We know. Your bitterness bespeaks it.
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