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Messi or Ronaldo

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They are not equal in end product though. Messi is vastly more creative, a better finisher, a more efficient finisher, better from range and better from dead-ball situations. Being better aerially and from the penalty spot doesn't even it out at all.
They quite are. The number of goals is almost identical, and Messi usually makes like 5 assists more than Ronaldo for season, so it is very close.

Ronaldo has quite better movement in the box, that is why he is always in good positions to score a tap in. And as you said, pens and headers. Messi is better at other stuff but when you add all of them, they are at the same level. The difference doesn't come from their end product but from their general gameplay, when Messi wins. Ronaldo is fantastic in a counter attacking team (as we have seen for both United and Madrid), but Messi has as good general gameplay as pretty much anyone in the last 20 years or so (well, Xavi and a few might have been better at it). If the opponent shut downs Madrid and starve the service they can give to Ronaldo, he will likely have an average game. If the same happens to Messi, he will come deep and influence the game, putting his teammates in good position. He is just the better player.

There would have been a good discussion if Messi's end product will be quite worse than Ronaldo's, and then it will be more difficult to see if Ronaldo with 60 goals and good gameplay is better than Messi with 40 goals and awesome gameplay. But when the end product is identical, then it becomes Ronaldo with 60 goals and good gameplay or Messi with 60 goals and awesome gameplay. Not that difficult to come to the conclusion.
 
Not true, Ronaldo was already outstanding back in 2006 and would have won YPOWC if it wasn't for the English media going crazy over his wink.

In 2010 they only just lost out to the eventual champions.

Yeah, Ronaldo's outstanding World Cup 2006 again I see, that one penalty kick goal to make it 2-0 against Iran or Angola was simply magnificent product compared to what lousy Messi could cough up at the same tournament (1 goal).

Your double standards are quite astonishing.
 
when ronaldo did it and messi didnt

like messi needs to win a world cup, but ronaldo doesnt

messi scores 50 goals, ronaldo 51 and that is the only thing that matters when talking about a player (totally disregarding the fact that messi set the record for most goals in one la liga tournament (50 goals and one calendar year 91 or so goals) and that messis game/goals ratio is better than ronaldos
Funny but ultimately pointless information: Ronaldo played only once against Stoke at Brittania stadium. Interestingly, it was a Tuesday night. Ronaldo neither did score, nor had a fantastic game.

So, we can easily say that Ronaldo cannot do it in a Tuesday night at Stoke. We don't know if Messi can do it or not. Another Messi victory.
 
Messi and Mascherano are the only reasons Argentina got to the World Cup final.

Di Maria was clearly their best player up until his injury. In the group stages Messi was decent but in the knockout stages, he wasn't doing so much anymore.
 
Di Maria was clearly their best player up until his injury. In the group stages Messi was decent but in the knockout stages, he wasn't doing so much anymore.

Mascherano was the undisputed best player of that team, Di Maria had a terrible World Cup, while Messi wasn't his usual self but was the most dangerous individual in the team.
 
Di Maria was clearly their best player up until his injury. In the group stages Messi was decent but in the knockout stages, he wasn't doing so much anymore.
Bar that goal, Di Maria was awful on World Cup.

I think that Messi was easily their best player in the group stage, with Mascherano being their best player in knock out stages.
 

They both didn't have good world cups, although in Ronaldo's case that can clearly be attributed to his injury problems. Ronaldo is the reason Portugal is at the World Cup in the first place though. I can't remember a good tournament by Messi for Argentina while Ronaldo has had a good Euro 2012 for example.

I'm just surprised Messi has never really performed as well as he did for Barcelona under different circumstances, which leads you to believe whether the system, the cohesiveness of a core that's been kept together for a while and his good teammates have contributed to his greatness there.

That's why I find it hard to just have Messi as clearly the best football in the world. His technical and finishing ability as well as his vision on the pitch are superb no doubt about it, but other players have superb qualities as well, his teammate Iniesta being one of them.
 
They both didn't have good world cups, although in Ronaldo's case that can clearly be attributed to his injury problems. Ronaldo is the reason Portugal is at the World Cup in the first place though. I can't remember a good tournament by Messi for Argentina while Ronaldo has had a good Euro 2012 for example.

I'm just surprised Messi has never really performed as well as he did for Barcelona under different circumstances, which leads you to believe whether the system, the cohesiveness of a core that's been kept together for a while and his good teammates have contributed to his greatness there.

That's why I find it hard to just have Messi as clearly the best football in the world. His technical and finishing ability as well as his vision on the pitch are superb no doubt about it, but other players have superb qualities as well, his teammate Iniesta being one of them.
Try the last one. While not brilliant, he was better than Ronaldo ever was for Portugal.
 
Try the last one. While not brilliant, he was better than Ronaldo ever was for Portugal.
You don't remember Ronaldo's amazing 2006 World Cup then? Incredible penalty goal to make it 2-0 in the group stages which propelled them to a 4th place.
 
All these national team talks, make me think about something. Can we use that argument to overrate Podolski ?
 
Mascherano was the undisputed best player of that team, Di Maria had a terrible World Cup, while Messi wasn't his usual self but was the most dangerous individual in the team.

You're right about Mascherano, but to say di Maria was terrible while Messi just "wasn't his usual self" is a double standard.
 
Funny but ultimately pointless information: Ronaldo played only once against Stoke at Brittania stadium. Interestingly, it was a Tuesday night. Ronaldo neither did score, nor had a fantastic game.

So, we can easily say that Ronaldo cannot do it in a Tuesday night at Stoke. We don't know if Messi can do it or not. Another Messi victory.
Was it raining?
 
You're right about Mascherano, but to say di Maria was terrible while Messi just "wasn't his usual self" is a double standard.
No it isn't, Di Maria was poor, Messi was good. You'd expect Messi to be brilliant but most of the time he wasn't although he did carry them through the group stages.
 
So just to add to it: If neither Ronaldo nor Messi have performed well for their respective national teams, how can they be the undisputed best players in the world? Especially if Messi has only really performed at his outstanding level while he was with Barcelona?

Take a guy like Zidane for example, who was world class no matter where he played, whether it was at Juve, Real or with the French national team. The Brazilian Ronaldo is another example of a player who has performed for several clubs, in several different leagues and systems and for the national team as well.

I hate Philipp Lahm, but the guy has performed at a superb level for both club and country and has been touted as arguably one of the best defenders in the world for a while now.
 
You're right about Mascherano, but to say di Maria was terrible while Messi just "wasn't his usual self" is a double standard.
Why are you still on about Di Maria? It's a myth he had a good WC. He wasted possession so many times, had awful decision-making, forced shots, etc. The only player who was good offensively was Messi. The rest didn't show up.
 
Di Maria was woeful at the world cup. The last world cup wasn't even a year ago and already there's some crazy revisionism taking place
 
So just to add to it: If neither Ronaldo nor Messi have performed well for their respective national teams, how can they be the undisputed best players in the world? Especially if Messi has only really performed at his outstanding level while he was with Barcelona?

Take a guy like Zidane for example, who was world class no matter where he played, whether it was at Juve, Real or with the French national team. The Brazilian Ronaldo is another example of a player who has performed for several clubs, in several different leagues and systems and for the national team as well.

I hate Philipp Lahm, but the guy has performed at a superb level for both club and country and has been touted as arguably one of the best defenders in the world for a while now.

Because football is a team game, no player can perform at his best with a bad team around him, France, Brazil or Germany regularly produce very good players in all positions.
 
So just to add to it: If neither Ronaldo nor Messi have performed well for their respective national teams, how can they be the undisputed best players in the world? Especially if Messi has only really performed at his outstanding level while he was with Barcelona?

Take a guy like Zidane for example, who was world class no matter where he played, whether it was at Juve, Real or with the French national team. The Brazilian Ronaldo is another example of a player who has performed for several clubs, in several different leagues and systems and for the national team as well.

I hate Philipp Lahm, but the guy has performed at a superb level for both club and country and has been touted as arguably one of the best defenders in the world for a while now.
Those two had been far better than any other player in club level in the last 20 or so years (to not say since Cruyff or go even further to Di Stefano).
 
Bar that goal, Di Maria was awful on World Cup.

I think that Messi was easily their best player in the group stage, with Mascherano being their best player in knock out stages.

That's right Messi was great in group stage but faded in the knock out stage. Wouldn't say he is the best overall but he wasn't bad at all either. One of the better performer in the WC for sure, just not the most outstanding bunch for me.
 
Funny but ultimately pointless information: Ronaldo played only once against Stoke at Brittania stadium. Interestingly, it was a Tuesday night. Ronaldo neither did score, nor had a fantastic game.

So, we can easily say that Ronaldo cannot do it in a Tuesday night at Stoke. We don't know if Messi can do it or not. Another Messi victory.
Really ???
 
For me, it's Messi > Ronaldo. Not "by a mile", but by enough of a distance to make it an easy decision.

The only argument at this point that could turn me around is a stat that turns on goals scored v shots taken. I know we have 3-4 top stats guys here on the caf who dig these numbers up fairly quickly.

My gut tell me that Messi has a better ratio of goals scored/shots taken but I could be very wrong about that. If it turns out Ronaldo has the better percentage it might reshape the analysis bit. After all, both have won gold balls, both have won multiple trophies, set crazy goal scoring records and both make opponents look silly, like the Bayern defender who almost broke his own ankles last night trying to defend Messi.

Any stats guys out there who work their magic? Goals scored/Shots taken.

Thanks!
Messi averages 4.9 shots per game in the league while Ronaldo averages 6.4 shots per game. Messi is on 40 goals now, Ronaldo is on 42.
 
Those two had been far better than any other player in club level in the last 20 or so years (to not say since Cruyff or go even further to Di Stefano).

So you do consider them to be better than Messi as well if I understand you correctly?
 
Because football is a team game, no player can perform at his best with a bad team around him, France, Brazil or Germany regularly produce very good players in all positions.

And Argentina doesn't?
 
So just to add to it: If neither Ronaldo nor Messi have performed well for their respective national teams, how can they be the undisputed best players in the world? Especially if Messi has only really performed at his outstanding level while he was with Barcelona?

The answer to that is simpler than it looks. You watch them play. For all I care Messi could have not won a single trophy in his life. I rate what I see. Anything else is superfluous when you want to analyse a player at an individual level, as whatever results come out of a game (let alone of a whole tournament) have too many variables beyond the skill of the player in question.

However, "undisputed"... no, they are not and no one will ever be, it's too subjective. Messi is the best player I've seen, that's about as far as I can honestly go, based on my own criteria above. However he performed at World Cups (and I don't think he performed poorly at all) would not change that opinion one bit.
 
Not up to his usual standards. He certainly wasn't horrible.

He was average in the group, and was mostly invisible and just had a few good moments where he scored vs very lesser teams. Then went completely missing in the knock out stages.

Didn't even realize he played against us till the penalties started and he grabbed the ball.
 
We certainly do have to give Xavi and Iniesta credit for assisting something like 10% of Messi's goals. Where would he be without them?
 
He was average in the group, and was mostly invisible and just had a few good moments where he scored vs very lesser teams. Then went completely missing in the knock out stages.

Didn't even realize he played against us till the penalties started and he grabbed the ball.
So I guess that assist to Di Maria against Switzerland came out of nowhere.
 
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