So you actually think a united forum has a bias towards Messi overall?
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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No not at all just saying there are reasons why some I United fans don’t like him.
look I understand why you think Ronaldo is better. Bias in your case is hard to avoid, but luckily for me I don't have any horse in this race and can judge this objectively.
Wow people are biased towards greatness.
Ronaldo has been at the top for the past 3 years winning everything there is to win. Euro, 3 peat champions league etc.Why would a Manchester United forum have a bias towards Messiif anything it would be the opposite.
1 year Messi is clearly better and scores 2 vs Liverpool and everyone here is going crazy and everything Ronaldo is diminished per usual.
Thats what I mean.
Imagine the state of this forum if Messi won 3 CL in a row and won the Copa America. You and I both know the answer and is why I say this forum has an obvious bias towards Messi for a long time.
Pot, kettle.
Messi has been statistically the better player and won trophies too (league titles and Cup trophies) while beating Ronaldo's Madrid directly. Messi has not only been better than Ronaldo this year. He has been most years.
Calling Messi the best player and a better player compared to Ronaldo is completely reasonable. If that is a "brigade" then it seems like you have an agenda towards Messi as a player. Choosing that word makes you seem bitter because Messi is currently on his way to another CL and his third Triplete.
Changed vote because he dumped out Liverpool. Come at me bro, I double dog dare you
Ronaldo won 2 league titles in 11 years with Rea Madrid. There is more football played every season than just the CL.
Voted Messi now. Would have voted Messi 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, etc. years ago.
There is also other leagues in the world than La Liga, Ronny has proved himselve in arguably the best and on his way to doing it in Italy, not to mention International football.
Messi's always been in a different tier to Ronaldo.
He can match Ronaldo's sheer goal-scoring but blows him away in the 'playmaker' department.
He can match Ronaldo's sheer goal-scoring but blows him away in the 'playmaker' department.
Yes, joining Juventus who had won 7 Scudettos in a row before he got there definitely cemented his greatness.
Also, CR7's win at the Euro 2016 is akin to Greece's win in 2004. A pretty poor team with poor results that would have seen them sent home in the group stages if not for a change to that tournament's design, and they won the final without CR7. It's hardly proving yourself as far as I'm concerned. For such incredible players, neither CR7 nor Messi have a definitive international moment to remember outside of group games that helps their legacy more than it hurts it.
I mean you have to give credit to both here. Came to the courtroom knowing every detail required, even down to the percentage of penalties they've scored. Strange choice of questioning though, with a clear bias towards Ronaldo. Anyone got a video for this?
Yes, I'm sure if Messi was in the EPL playing for City or Liverpool or went to Juventus he would struggle
And Ronaldo was injured in the Euro final, he had no impact in the final even if he was good before it.
The difference between Ronaldo's international trophy cabinet and Messi's is the difference between Eder and Higuain.
Yes, joining Juventus who had won 7 Scudettos in a row before he got there definitely cemented his greatness.
Also, CR7's win at the Euro 2016 is akin to Greece's win in 2004. A pretty poor team with poor results that would have seen them sent home in the group stages if not for a change to that tournament's design, and they won the final without CR7. It's hardly proving yourself as far as I'm concerned. For such incredible players, neither CR7 nor Messi have a definitive international moment to remember outside of group games that helps their legacy more than it hurts it.
Yes, I'm sure if Messi was in the EPL playing for City or Liverpool or went to Juventus he would struggle
And Ronaldo was injured in the Euro final, he had no impact in the final even if he was good before it.
The difference between Ronaldo's international trophy cabinet and Messi's is the difference between Eder and Higuain.
The defensiveness of the Messi crowd really is something else. I’m pointing out things that I admire about Ronny, and as per usual all that comes are salty responses. Il even say Messi is the more naturally gifted player, I just prefer Ronny, people are allowed different opinions you know, the world won’t end.
It's not being defensive, it's your flawed logic. Ronaldo wasn't doing this with Bournemouth and Udinese, he was on some stacked teams.
He deserves credit for taking United back on top, and part of an incredible era for Madrid, but put Messi in any of the biggest clubs in England and Juventus and he'd do just as well if not better.
This is the shit I’m talking about. Ronaldo has done it and it’s meaningless, Messi hasn’t but if he did he would ace it. Are you actually taking in what you are saying? Belittle Ronaldo for what he has done and praise Messi for what he hasn’t. Total straw man argument, embarrassingly fan boy.
This is exactly what I am talking about. Its utter disrespect. Everything Ronaldo has done especially in these last 3 to 4 years is so easily forgotten. Yet if it was Messi who did It oh bpy.
it's literally like this. "Ronaldo wins CL 3 years in a row, Ronaldo wins the Euro with Portugal, Incredible performances destroys CL record" then Messi fans " ehh BUT DID YOU SEE THOSE 2 GOALS VS LIVERPOOL??! re open all polls its official goat forget what Ronaldo has done it don't matter".
I changed my vote to Ronaldo just to see the world burn.
Chaos is a ladder.
Edit: just saw that free kick again and changed it back.
Chaos is a ladder.
Edit: just saw that free kick again and changed it back.
I don't understand how people can change their mind all the time based on what happens in the current season or even one games when both played over 15 seasons and about 700-800 games.
They will come for you, how dare you
.Also I think most people would agree that Messi is a unique talent and certainly in the top 3-4 players ever. However most Messi fan boys just say completely over top statements about how much better Messi is, it get to the point where you can’t take anything they say seriously.
The extreme world of football fans and football forums.
Its giving the different achievements the weight they deserve. Winning with Juventus, while not even being the best player in the league, being outscored by some other players, its meaningless when talking about if he's better than Messi or not. Why? Because Juvents had won the league for like the last 10 years without him anyway.
It would have been way better if he had stayed at Madrid and actually tried to end Barcelona's dominance in La Liga. Winning La Liga with Real Madrid would have been 5x as difficult as winning it with Juve. Now that would have been a great achievement to talk about in here. But he took the easy way out.
If Messi joined Juve, nobody would say he is the best because he won in a different league. The "Messi brigade" would say hes the best simply because hes the best football player, regardless of who he plays for, his teammates, his coaches, Eder, Karius, etc.
The part that does not make sense is if Messi is top 3 or 4 or 5 ever (he is) then so is Ronaldo (he is). They have been neck and neck their whole careers and the big debate has always been Messi vs Ronaldo.They will come for you, how dare you
Also I think most people would agree that Messi is a unique talent and certainly in the top 3-4 players ever. However most Messi fan boys just say completely over top statements about how much better Messi is, it get to the point where you can’t take anything they say seriously.
As for this debate here and this poll this forum has always been VERY tilted towards one way and I have said that even before it was open again.
Love Ronaldo for purely Utd bias reasons but will always vote Messi. He's the GOAT imho. When he first arrived on scene was already as good as anyone I'd ever seen.
Edit: Now he's better than anyone I've ever seen.
Edit: Now he's better than anyone I've ever seen.
Doesnt make sense for you because you seem to live in a different reality where the quality of a football player is defined by factors like heading, the balon de or votes for the last 15 years, etc. . It does make sense for most people, for people that think that the best football players of all time are... well, the best football players of all time, as in, the ones that played with a ball on their feet the best.
In most people's eyes, CR7 is not a better football player than Maradona was. Not close. He was never as good or better than Pele either, or Messi. At least in the mind of most people.
For me, CR7 is a legend of the game. TOP 10 player for sure, above legends like Van Basten, Zidane, Iniesta, Xavi, or in the same tier or slightly above players like Di Stefano, Ronaldo, Beckenbauer etc.
Then you have 4 geniuses. Cruyff, Maradona, Pele and Messi. Players that changed the game and cemented their names in history. Players that could do with a ball things that nobody else could. TBH, i could even put CR7 on there too, maybe on par with Cruyff, simply because of how the machine that is CR7, without having half the ball skills Cruyff had, won more than he did and did it for so long.
But above those two, there is simply no question on who's the best. Argentinians say its Maradona because he gave them a world cup, Brazilians and old people will say its Pele for obvious reasons, and most other people will say its Messi.
But thats it. There is only room for 3 up there, and those 3 are FAR above anyone else including Cruyff and CR7. There is no way you can leave out any of those 3 down to bring CR7 up. The podium of the greatest of all time just doesnt work if you say its CR7, Maradona and Pele. Just doesnt seem right for most people, thats just plain wrong, and even your stomach would tell you that it is bullshit.
A podium of Messi, Pele and Maradona however, feels good on the belly. Just use your common sense my friend and realize who's the best. Just, give it up already. CR7 is great, top 5 of all time, there i said it. Just leave it at that man, there is no shame on that.
Yeah I don’t understand it either. Messi has been the best in my eyes pretty much since his rise to his best. No CL or euros have ever changed what my eyes see when I watch him play. It’s quite insane to me after all these years that people can change their opinion after a game against Liverpool or after being knocked out by Ajax
I love watching them both.
Messi.
At one time it was very one sided and many changed it to Cristiano, probably to even things out.
65-35 or 60-40 is probably accurate.
You're the only one getting defensive mate, people are allowed to question your opinions. He never said it was meaningless, he said he deserved credit for it.
Messi has 26 goals against the PL top 6 in 33 games. He has a higher goal per game ratio than anyone that has ever played in the PL and he has only played against teams that have finished in the top 4.
Ronaldo has 28 in 70. And that was before Spurs and City were decent.
Also, Ronaldo is being outscored by a 36 year old Quagliarella, Piatek and Zapata in Serie A this season which I hardly call domination.
Personally I find the 'done it in other leagues' argument daft so forgive me for arguing the point and being a defensive fanboy
I changed my vote to Messi because one of the modmins pm-ed me to do it.
No. You must pick ONE to enjoy
Will the loser be banned from football?
Terrible argument. Zlatan has done, Beckham has done it, why couldn't Messi do it? I mean look at context. I'd argue Maradonna dragging Napoli to their heights is more impressive than Messi with a stacked Barca squad or Ronaldo with a stacked Madrid/United/Juventus squad
Juventus won the league EIGHT years in a row, it doesn't move the needle at all.
I changed my vote to Ronaldo because of the brilliant, well reasoned arguments in this thread.
Balotelli had went in two footed into CR7.
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