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You can choose Ronaldo or Messi to come on, who do choose?
You can choose Ronaldo or Messi to come on, who do choose?
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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....I'd choose LeBron over Kobe, quite comfortably too. The can't deliver shit died in 2011?, he's basically been the NBA Finals MVP every year since, not his fault he's battling a beyond stacked team right now. Jordan is simply the greatest sportsman of my lifetime, by an unbelievable distance too, not sure how you see LeBron as clearly being more talented than him.
Why the feck are they both on the bench to begin with?!
Hypothetically lol!
Because you're talking about the job of multiple players... not one. Kroos doesn't control the midfield by himself for example.
How come you acuse me of applying different criteria when I didn't even say what my criteria was? You're just making shit up.
My criteria isn't that off the ball movement and positioning trump passing and dribbling so every single player who is better at the former is better than another who isn't so good at it. That's completely stupid, how you managed to convince yourself that was my thought process I'll never understand.
I do not judge players on their attributes, I judge them on their impact on the game. I couldn't care less if they impact games through passing, through dribbling, through their athleticism, etc. just because one uses more of this and less of that doesn't make him the better player. A player who is not as good at dribbling and passing as another player can 100% be the better player of the two for example if he uses other parts of his game to make up for it.
You need to start making shorter posts as it's impossible to keep a discussion. You'll bring about 5 different points or examples in every reply and then it becomes this huge discussion that has nothing to do with the original topic. Then you'll start acusing me of things like this that I never even said and this just makes it awful. It's fun but then it just becomes tiring.
Do you think that a player who for example is CL's top scorer for 6 years and scores more than 10 goals in WC is the greatest player of all time?
Why the feck are they both on the bench to begin with?!
Because Moyes was managing?
Ronaldo. He's a better goalscorer and you can launch high balls into the box and he can make something happen from that if all else is failing.
Because accolades and achievements aren't the same thing as talent on the ball...
You say talent isn't everything. I agree and give other reasons as to why I feel the way I do.
What don't you get here?
Ronaldo is better in the air, he is more athletic and he's faster. I'd agree with that wholeheartedly. My whole thing is I just don't see how it can trump talent on the ball. I'm aware that there's more to the game than technique but ultimately when it comes down to it, how can anyone prefer brute strength and athleticism over elegance and technique. Which you obviously do given you think Ronaldo's better than Messi despite admitting that Messi has more ability.
No, you don't know if I prefer it or not... I do think dribbling is more important for an offensive player than getting back on defensive set pieces for example. But if a player is 8.0/10 at dribbling, the other's a 8.1/10 and the first helps defensively then I might just prefer him. It doesn't mean I think defending is more important than dribbling.
You just reach to conclusions about how I think without any logic.
This debate will rage on until the end of time ala Pele/Maradona no doubt. Lately however, BY MESSI's STANDARDS, he is not having as much of an impact as Ronaldo is. You have to admire Ronaldo's longevity. I thought he was done.
Cue Messi hatrick in the El Clasico.
I think that's harsh. He's been carrying Barca to another title. His impact is there for all to see.
This is so weird
Why is so much trolling allowed by both sides. What's crazy is that neither player even plays for United.
Why is so much trolling allowed by both sides. What's crazy is that neither player even plays for United.
‘A lot more to it’ like 600+ career goals and 250+ assists (roughly, can’t remember the exact figures for Messi)?
Messi isn’t just a street player, come on. He’s one of the best goal scorers we’ve ever seen on top of being the most skilful and intelligent footballers ever to play the game.
If you think he's better and your entitled to your opinion why do you keep arguing with those that disagree?
You're never going to change sides likewise vice versa so what's what point with the debate?
Why don't we just appreciate both?
Stop with this crap.
In 09/10 he didn't show his killer instinct when Lyon knocked out Real in the last 16.
In 10/11 he didn't show his killer instinct when Barcelona went to the Bernabeu, Messi scored two and Ronaldo did nothing.
In 11/12 he didn't show his killer instinct when Bayern knocked out Real on penalties. Ronaldo missed his penalty.
In 12/13 he didn't show his killer instinct when Borussia Dortmund destroyed Real to reach the final and Lewandowski scored 4.
In 13/14 he didn't show his killer instinct in the final v Atletico. Ramos saved them that day.
In 14/15 he didn't show his killer instinct when Juve went to the Bernabeu and put them out.
Interestingly, Ronaldo has been involved in 3 Champions League penalty shootouts. He's missed in 2 of them. But post Messi's pen v Chelsea some more.
A player who has been part of a winning team many times (scoring and assisting in the process) with accolades to his name disappears when it matters most?
If that was the case he would never have won anything as many awards as he has since he became a professional player.
Are you trolling?
This is one of the best penalty and one of the most crucial one i’ve ever watched.
Ronaldo, because of his aerial presence.
I think most who prefer Messi will concede that Ronaldo is a more varied goalscorer.
11/12 he scored twice in the second leg
12/13 he scored in the first leg
13/14 he scored in the final albeit the last goal but we know full well he was about 30% fit and struggling with his knee.
14/15 he scored in both legs against Juve
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You gave examples of 6 CL games... he scored 6 goals in those 6 games. Obviously no player shows up 100% of the time and no player never shows up. Ronaldo just does it more often than Messi, that's all.
Goals in the quarters, semis and final of the Champions League
Ronaldo- 40
Messi- 16
Ronaldo has more assists too, stats aren't everything but it is true that Messi goes missing more often in the latter stages of the competition.
I didn't say he didn't score. I said he didn't show this mythical killer instinct that puts him above every other player to ever play.
Noone said that though
Messi was Barca's best player vs Roma but they lost -> Messi bottled
Ronaldo was Real's worst player vs Juve but they won -> Ronaldo goat
that's how people actually argue here, yikes
In the last match:
Messi got a rating of 4 in soccernet (one of lowest in team) and 6.7 in WhoScored (who often gives him highest rating in every match anyway)
Ronaldo got rating of 9 in soccernet and 7.7 in WhoScored (both rate him as best player in Real)
I gave examples of 6 times they've went out in the 9 years he's been there. I didn't say he didn't score. He didn't elevate the team and display this killer instinct where he drags his team through.
As for the second part, correct, but tell that to the others.
You must have Vancouver on ignore then.
9 out of 10 for tonight's performance? Who decides that? Cal?
Not one Real Madrid player deserves more than a 5 tonight. They were awful.
9 out of 10 for tonight's performance? Who decides that? Cal?
Not one Real Madrid player deserves more than a 5 tonight. They were awful.
Maybe they were rating his dives
It's been a while since I've seen Ronaldo dive as much as he did today. It was expertly done too.
9 out of 10 for tonight's performance? Who decides that? Cal?
Not one Real Madrid player deserves more than a 5 tonight. They were awful.
http://global.espn.com/football/clu...phael-varane-cristiano-ronaldo-nine-out-of-10
Hence I also include WhoScored rating
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...ampions-League-2017-2018-Real-Madrid-Juventus
You can't argue with Messi fans at the moment.
Give them sometime to get their shit together; at least until Messi gets a goal against Las Palmas or whoever they play next or does that long ball to Alba.
Excellent game by Ronaldo it must be said. Winning aerials even doing dangerous runs and first time shots.
Ronaldo, Carvajal and Higuain better than Matuidi? I honestly thought Matuidi was the best player on the pitch. Mandzukic obviously gets highest rating for his brace but Matuidi was brilliant.
And I was praising Matuidi at half time before he'd even scored so it's not just a case of talking him up to belittle others.
Irony alert.
A bit rich he's bringing those teams when last time only Argentina and a bunch and very few and irrelevant countries voted for Messi.
http://www.marca.com/futbol/balon-oro/2016/12/13/584fe741e2704e5c588b456d.html
https://www.besoccer.com/new/the-tw...ot-give-ronaldo-their-ballon-d-or-vote-345002
Like I’ve said, it’s quite amusing seeing them unaccepting of reality
You should do that, he's trying to wind you up and succeeding
I don't agree with a lot of what he says by the way.WhoScored is crap as it favours certain kinds of players. A lot of what Matuidi did won't show up on their stats.
It almost bordered on being or probably even is the white man's burden type argument!
So to even the playing field a bit and those who say Messi hasn't shown up late in the CL, are you going to say Ronaldo hasn't shown up for La Liga this season? Not even a bit until Messi had already won it pretty much with only OG to help him get the job done. Thats one major competition most clubs bread and butter arguably the more important where Ronaldo has offered nothing this season in said competition (outside of meaningless games when they are out of the race).
Most of us were saying Ronaldo was done up until Christmas because of how godawful he was in the league?
Christ when will I learn to keep my mouth closed before they play? Lucky, lucky...
Doesn’t matter if Madrid win the CL. CL > League. How can Barca consider themselves best in the league/country if another team from their same league/country are crowned best in Europe?
Yes Messi has been better in the league so what? Messi has scored goals against mid table Spanish teams but Ronaldo scores goals in the champions league against the best competition in Europe in every round to carry Madrid.
Crystal clear as to which is more valuable and impressive but whatever floats your boat mate.
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