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Messi or Ronaldo

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Cina said:
:lol: How is that poll an 'insult'? Unless you're offended by me calling this thread terrible?

Actually that wouldn't surprise me.
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why do you need to do this? if you think that we are all idiots, why don't you just stay away? we dont ask you to come, we don't care what you think about us, if you have an opinion about messi or ronaldo, state it
 
Marcosdeto said:
why do you need to do this? if you think that we are all idiots, why don't you just stay away? we dont ask you to come, we don't care what you think about us, if you have an opinion about messi or ronaldo, state it
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I never called you idiots marcos, I'm not insulting you here, I'm making fun of the thread, cause it sucks. I reserve the right to say a thread and the subject matter being discussed in it is a never ending circle of the same old shit. I also find it mildly amusing to read as a result. You seem to be taking offence to me and others laughing at the thread material, which is bizarre, do you just expect people to sit back and saying nothing when they have an opinion on its content?
 
i see ... and you coming here and saying nothing original about this thread, because it has been said before is not a never ending circle of the same old shit?

or do you think you are a genius and funny for starting that poll?
 
Marcosdeto said:
i see ... and you coming here and saying nothing original about this thread, because it has been said before is not a never ending circle of the same old shit?

or do you think you are a genius and funny for starting that poll?
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I wish I was.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, right?

I do find it hilarious that you're taking such offence to something pretty harmless and innocuous though.
 
Cina said:
I wish I was.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, right?

I do find it hilarious that you're taking such offence to something pretty harmless and innocuous though.
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i'm happy you find it hilarious, tell me what else can i do to amuse you

btw, this is a thread to discuss about messi and ronaldo

do you have anything to say about that?

and will you please delete the poll that isnt related to the thread topic?

thank you
 
Marcosdeto said:
i'm happy you find it hilarious, tell me what else can i do to amuse you

btw, this is a thread to discuss about messi and ronaldo

do you have anything to say about that?

and will you please delete the poll that isnt related to the thread topic?

thank you
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They're both great footballers who I enjoy watching play and I couldn't give a toss about arguing which one is better, which I believe has been my stance for ...well ... forever.

Also err .. you know you can delete polls too, right?
 
Cina said:
They're both great footballers who I enjoy watching play and I couldn't give a toss about arguing which one is better, which I believe has been my stance for ...well ... forever.

Also err .. you know you can delete polls too, right?
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i wouldnt insult another mod by deletting his polls
 
I think we should also have such threads for best midfielder in Europe or best defender. These guys also deserve as much attention/discussion.
 
Joga Bonito said:
Hmm I'd elevate Garrincha, Cruyff and Di Stefano to the top tier, players who have a legitimate claim to being the best ever. The second tier would be the likes of Puskas, Eusebio, Beckenbauer (deserves to be in the top tier but defender bias..), Platini, Best etc. I'd say Messi deserves to be in the top tier and Ronaldo perhaps in the second.

Anyway it's a subjective list and I'm sure I've missed a lot of glaring examples.



Fair enough, although I'd just like to say that Messi has been pretty darn good throughout this season and not just in the past few months. There has been very few games (Malaga, Real etc) when he was poor or anonymous.

You are also a tad bit harsh with the "Messi has not looked his former self, since Xavi and Iniesta's form went to shit in the last 2 year or so" comment.

Xavi (aging) and Iniesta (off color) haven't been at their influential best this season and it's Messi who's taken full reign over the team and taken over the mantle of being the chief orchestrator, playmaking, spreading play, threading balls, keeping things ticking and creating chance after chance (just ask the wasteful Alba & Neymar). All whilst still possessing a great goalscoring threat. People point to his dip in goals and extrapolate that to his entire form, when it couldn't be further from the case.

Has Messi's goals have dipped due to Xavi and Iniesta's lack of form? Yes, but that's simply due to Messi being even more involved in the build up play deeper. Not due to him 'struggling' for service. Keep in mind that I'm primarily talking about this season. Messi was pretty disappointing and woeful at times last season.

Like I've already stated, he's been brilliant throughout this entire season and not just this past few months which many wrongly make it out to be.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/lionel-messi.225097/page-373#post-16533377

This was a post which I made earlier this season. Messi was (and is) singlehandedly dragging a lacklustre Barça through. There actually wasn't a huge gulf in form between the two at the start of the season tbh, although I'd give Ronaldo the edge due to his outrageous scoring exploits during that period.
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We can almost agree. :angel:

However, I still maintain that Messi's form has picked up since the Balon D'Or, not claiming he was poor before, but better now.
 
B20 said:
Not really. Ronaldo gets talked about for inclusion as one of the greatest of all time.

Messi gets talked about as possible the greatest of all time.

All the pundits here in Denmark pretty much take it for granted that Messi is the better player, even if Ronaldo has had a few seasons performing better than Messi was at that point in time.
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So since they started dominating football from the 07/08 season onwards, and we're more than half way through the 14/15 season. In 7.5 seasons you admit that Ronaldo had been better for A FEW, yet you don't think it's debatable?
 
Cal? said:
As pointed out many times, Barcelona play many more passes than Real Madrid over a season, it's hardly surprising that Messi plays more passes, long or short, also, Ronaldo's role in the team is to get onto the end of those passes, rather than making them.


Right now I've not denied that Messi has had a great few months and clearly ahead for 2015, however, it seems either people have very short term memories and are quick to write off how Ronaldo was doing until the Balon D'or award (or his break up).


Messi is great at heading for his height, but given his height, he's not very good at heading overall. The same can be said of Ronaldo's close control, dribbling, great for his height but being much taller, and having a much higher centre of gravity means he cannot do what Messi can.



If you rule out the goals, Messi is the better player, however, given the amount of possession each team gets over a game, Ronaldo's scoring record over each minute that Real Madrid have possession is actually much higher than Messi's at Barca. Also, as pointed out earlier, it's not a coincidence that Messi has not looked his former self (until the last couple of months at least), since Xavi and Iniesta's form went to shit in the last 2 year or so.

I've always said it's a matter of preference, and never tried to force my opinion onto others like Messi fans who go around talking about their man being better as "FACT" or "REALITY".
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Indeed.
 
RooneyLegend said:
Someone please post classico stats including pen stats for classico's. would make for good viewing.
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This one before the game in Oct 2014, Ronaldo scored in a 3-1 win.
 
Cal? said:
So since they started dominating football from the 07/08 season onwards, and we're more than half way through the 14/15 season. In 7.5 seasons you admit that Ronaldo had been better for A FEW, yet you don't think it's debatable?
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No I don't. At least, not more than in the sense that it is stimulating to consider different arguments for and against. Their average level is both ridiculously high. Messi's highest level is just plain higher than Ronaldos though.
 
So how many did Messi score against hapless Malaga today? :angel:
 
Cal is fuming. Has been for too long, needs to accept facts and move on. Love life. Messi being superior to Ronaldo shouldn't prevent that.
 
Cal? said:
So how many did Messi score against hapless Malaga today? :angel:
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What are the attributes Cristiano Ronaldo is superior enough in (over Messi) that make this debate a matter of preference?
 
Cal? said:
Heading, shooting, pace, strength, penalties, crossing, stamina...
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Could you explain this one a little more? Because Messi has a better conversion % both inside and outside the box.
 
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