I am afraid you got that one totally wrong
http://www.barcelonafootballblog.co...ronaldo-article-number-95367185-and-counting/
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I am afraid you got that one totally wrong
http://www.barcelonafootballblog.co...ronaldo-article-number-95367185-and-counting/
It's funny how much the poll has swayed since last night 
This is the best part of the rivalry, they always go out and try to do one better.
if you want to change your vote, just tag damien to delete your previous vote. then you will be able to vote again
How so, enlighten me. Messi has played 150 fewer games but almost same number of goals, much more assists to his name and is still younger.
maradona.
When I see these 3 tell tale myths of a blinkered pro Messi fan in a debate I simply walk away.
I'm a German, you know. We don't do jokes, banter, shit talk or anything related to humour over here
Ah, of course. Now it all makes sense.
Messi to try a few bicycle kicks tonight?
You just know Messi's going to score a hat-trick today
Exactly my point. He turned into a goalscoring monster once he stopped playing like a conventional winger
It's not about defending, it's about staying wide and putting in a cross vs cutting inside as your main instruction from the coach. Ronaldo was absolutely a winger earlier in his career.
That is without a question. I just said he wasn't a winger when he started to score 40 goals a season
It's going to be Real vs Barca in the CL final, isn't it? Both have 5 Ballon D'ors, it's gonna be the ultimate final.
Which probably means its gonna be a yawn fest.
Don’t know if anyone has posted something similar but just seen this on Facebook and I can’t argue with it... it’s a bit of a read...
Most people hate the fact Ronaldo was a United player You can say what you want but stats don't lie.
*Cristiano Ronaldo vs Leo Messi in court*
Judge: Have any of you won the Golden ball?
Ronaldo: Yes, 5 times.
Messi: Yes, 5 times as well.
Judge: Have any of you won the Golden Boot?
Ronaldo: Yes, 4 times.
Messi: Same here.
Judge: How many individual trophies have you each won?
Ronaldo: 16.
Messi: 13.
Judge: Have any of you played for another club’s first team besides your current one?
Ronaldo: Yes! Sporting CP in Portugal first division and Manchester United in BPL.
Messi: No! Only Barcelona.
Judge: Have any of you won a title with your national team?
Ronaldo: Yes! We won Portugal’s firstever European Championship.
Messi: No!
Judge: How many goals have each of you scored for your respective teams?
Ronaldo: Should I count the goals I’ve scored for Man United and Sporting?
Judge: No. Only for Real Madrid.
Ronaldo: 427 goals in 421 appearances or 9 seasons.
Messi: 534 goals in 617 appearances or 14 seasons.
Judge: Who has scored more hat- tricks in La Liga?
Ronaldo: Me. 35 in La Liga.
Messi: Ronaldo has. I’ve scored 28.
Judge: Which is the most prestigious competition in club football?
Ronaldo: Champions League.
Messi: Champions League.
Judge: Have any of you won Champions League?
Ronaldo: Yes, 4 times in total with 2 different teams. Once with Man United
and 3 times with Madrid.
Messi: Yes, 4 times as well with Barcelona only.
Judge: Who has scored more goals in the CL between the two of you?
Ronaldo: I’ve scored 114 goals in the CL.
Messi: I’ve scored 97.
Judge: Who has more assists between the two of you in the CL?
Ronaldo: I have 38.
Messi: Ronaldo has. I have 26.
Judge: Who has scored more goals in total in the CL finals?
Ronaldo: Me!
Messi: Ronaldo.
Judge: Which one of you have scored more free kicks?
Ronaldo: I have.
Messi: Ronaldo has.
Judge: Most goals with weak foot?
Ronaldo: Me, I think.
Messi: (Nods in agreement).
Judge: Most goals from outside of the box?
Ronaldo: Me.. again!
Messi: Ronaldo.
Judge: Who has scored more headers?
Ronaldo: Is that a serious question?
Messi: ...
Judge: Who has a better penalty conversion rate?
Ronaldo: I think I do. I’ve scored 82% of the penalties I’ve taken.
Messi: I’ve scored 77% of the penalties I’ve taken.
Judge: Which one of you have scored the most goals in total during your career?
Ronaldo: I think I have. 628 goals.
Messi: I’ve scored 595.
Judge: How many football records do each of you hold in total for both club and country?
Ronaldo: 146
Messi: 110
Judge: Well, after analyzing all of the facts that have been presented to me. I can only draw one conclusion when it comes to comparing you both as football players. That conclusion is that Ronaldo is the better player in almost every category. When it comes to goal scoring and accolades for both club and country, Ronaldo comes out on top. Messi, you are without a doubt Barcelona’s best player of all time. But certainly not the world’s best ever. That is clearly Ronaldo at the moment. Messi: But I am younger than Ronaldo and haven’t played as many matches as him.
Judge: I understand that, but until you surpass his goal scoring records & win as many trophies both individually and collectively as he has, then Ronaldo will, according to the statistics, be considered as the best football player of all time. Until then, keep pushing on and you just might be able to achieve just as much as Ronaldo!
Most people hate the fact Ronaldo was a United player You can say what you want but stats don't lie.
*Cristiano Ronaldo vs Leo Messi in court*
Judge: Have any of you won the Golden ball?
Ronaldo: Yes, 5 times.
Messi: Yes, 5 times as well.
Judge: Have any of you won the Golden Boot?
Ronaldo: Yes, 4 times.
Messi: Same here.
Judge: How many individual trophies have you each won?
Ronaldo: 16.
Messi: 13.
Judge: Have any of you played for another club’s first team besides your current one?
Ronaldo: Yes! Sporting CP in Portugal first division and Manchester United in BPL.
Messi: No! Only Barcelona.
Judge: Have any of you won a title with your national team?
Ronaldo: Yes! We won Portugal’s firstever European Championship.
Messi: No!
Judge: How many goals have each of you scored for your respective teams?
Ronaldo: Should I count the goals I’ve scored for Man United and Sporting?
Judge: No. Only for Real Madrid.
Ronaldo: 427 goals in 421 appearances or 9 seasons.
Messi: 534 goals in 617 appearances or 14 seasons.
Judge: Who has scored more hat- tricks in La Liga?
Ronaldo: Me. 35 in La Liga.
Messi: Ronaldo has. I’ve scored 28.
Judge: Which is the most prestigious competition in club football?
Ronaldo: Champions League.
Messi: Champions League.
Judge: Have any of you won Champions League?
Ronaldo: Yes, 4 times in total with 2 different teams. Once with Man United
and 3 times with Madrid.
Messi: Yes, 4 times as well with Barcelona only.
Judge: Who has scored more goals in the CL between the two of you?
Ronaldo: I’ve scored 114 goals in the CL.
Messi: I’ve scored 97.
Judge: Who has more assists between the two of you in the CL?
Ronaldo: I have 38.
Messi: Ronaldo has. I have 26.
Judge: Who has scored more goals in total in the CL finals?
Ronaldo: Me!
Messi: Ronaldo.
Judge: Which one of you have scored more free kicks?
Ronaldo: I have.
Messi: Ronaldo has.
Judge: Most goals with weak foot?
Ronaldo: Me, I think.
Messi: (Nods in agreement).
Judge: Most goals from outside of the box?
Ronaldo: Me.. again!
Messi: Ronaldo.
Judge: Who has scored more headers?
Ronaldo: Is that a serious question?
Messi: ...
Judge: Who has a better penalty conversion rate?
Ronaldo: I think I do. I’ve scored 82% of the penalties I’ve taken.
Messi: I’ve scored 77% of the penalties I’ve taken.
Judge: Which one of you have scored the most goals in total during your career?
Ronaldo: I think I have. 628 goals.
Messi: I’ve scored 595.
Judge: How many football records do each of you hold in total for both club and country?
Ronaldo: 146
Messi: 110
Judge: Well, after analyzing all of the facts that have been presented to me. I can only draw one conclusion when it comes to comparing you both as football players. That conclusion is that Ronaldo is the better player in almost every category. When it comes to goal scoring and accolades for both club and country, Ronaldo comes out on top. Messi, you are without a doubt Barcelona’s best player of all time. But certainly not the world’s best ever. That is clearly Ronaldo at the moment. Messi: But I am younger than Ronaldo and haven’t played as many matches as him.
Judge: I understand that, but until you surpass his goal scoring records & win as many trophies both individually and collectively as he has, then Ronaldo will, according to the statistics, be considered as the best football player of all time. Until then, keep pushing on and you just might be able to achieve just as much as Ronaldo!
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The voting now getting closer to 60:40 from 70:30 after just 2 games
getting closer to 60:40 from 70:30 after just 2 gamesIf you took Messi's extraordinary goalscoring away you'd be left with Diego Maradona.
What would you be left with if you took Cristiano's away? Even his fans admit that he isn't as good as some of the other all time great's technically so without the goals what sort of player would we be looking at? Struggling to think of a comparison as seamless as the Messi-Maradona one.
What would you be left with if you took Cristiano's away? Even his fans admit that he isn't as good as some of the other all time great's technically so without the goals what sort of player would we be looking at? Struggling to think of a comparison as seamless as the Messi-Maradona one.
Considering Messi doesn't speak English, he's done well in that courtroom.
Did Messi win the WC on his own? Can he lead the team and influence the game, carry the team and impact on big games/big moments like Maradona?
Can't argue with it? It's absolute bollocks
I knew it would be as soon as I seen this gem:
We act like it's a negative that Messi has only ever played for one club when that one club is arguably the greatest club of our generation and that is in large part down to his greatness.
It actually pisses me off that people still think Messi needs to play somewhere else. Only a few weeks ago he dicked the Champions of England but still some people are unsure if he could cut it away to Stoke and Newcastle? Ludicrous.
I love how it ends by calling CR the best ever when using the same criteria it just used to put him above Messi would see him fall well short of Pele.
I was quite clearly talking about style of play
Maradona never won the WC on his own either, fwiw.
I was quite clearly talking about style of play
Maradona never won the WC on his own either, fwiw.
You didn’t mention style of play in your previous post. And style of play is meaningless in GOAT discussion.
The voting now
Pretty fickle if you ask me, the fact that Messi even had 74% of the vote recently on a united board says it all
Less than ten percent of Ronaldo’s goals were outside the box, he doesn’t have much variety in the way he scores, Messi has scored in a wider variety of ways than Ronaldo has.
And this quote from the article is right on point:
“The narrative that Messi is the greatest footballer and Ronaldo is the greatest goal scorer is a false one. Lionel Messi is the greatest footballer and the greatest goal scorer. His goal to game ratio is higher and would only rise if we discount penalties.”
Why would we discount penalties? Because Messi isn't good at them?
And this applies to Messi as well. Messi has about similar number of goals scored outside the box as Ronaldo over their career.
And you are wrong again about variety of goals, Ronaldo has more variety of goals with his right foot left foot (weaker foot), more skill shots (volleys, bicycle, backheels), more headers, more free kicks and penalties. Only thing Messi has clearly more is his dribble goals.
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Yet the only categories in which Messi beats CR7 in terms of variety is goals from dribbles, goals from outside the box and type of finishes in one on ones. CR7 scores more with his head, scores more with his weaker foot, scores more from penalties, more from free kicks, more from set pieces even scores a larger variety of skill shots. But in your mind ' Messi has more variety'
#blinkered
Its unsurprising you skipped this one below. Since it rips to shreds your clearly blinkered views of CR7 as a player...
"Conclusion number ONE
Ronaldo is one of the best footballers in history. Like many culés I have often claimed he would probably just rank outside the top 10, but after reviewing all of his goals I can only rate him higher. He has scored all kinds of goals throughout his career, from long distance missiles to dribbling through defenses to powerful headers to weak-foot chips and so on and so on and he has done so consistently for over a decade."
https://www.thestatszone.com/a-breakdown-of-cristiano-ronaldos-champions-league-goals
https://www.thestatszone.com/a-breakdown-of-lionel-messis-champions-league-goals
If you pass through these articles and still believe 'there is no contest" and CR7 is just a 'tap in merchant with no variety' you are simply a lost cause
https://www.thestatszone.com/a-breakdown-of-lionel-messis-champions-league-goals
If you pass through these articles and still believe 'there is no contest" and CR7 is just a 'tap in merchant with no variety' you are simply a lost cause
This is just rediculous. Now Ronaldo is just as good an alloround footballer as Messi. Messi is just a specialist in 3 things. Like he isnt one of the best freekick takers, he doesn't have supposedly range like Ronaldo. ronaldo when chooses is a close to elite dribbler, when he chooses to? That just sounds so rediculous. And you try to act like you are busting myths on here. Hilarious.
But you didn't talk about biases. You just talked about different opinions for the sake of it.
The Messi brigade frantically propelling myths of how he is as good a goal scorer now
The Messi brigade frantically propelling myths of how he is as good a goal scorer now
Well he is? They are both exceptional goal scorers.
Notice the lack of response to this point.
Ronaldo is the better goal scorer.
I haven't heard anyone suggest he couldn't cut it against Premiership relegation contenders... but you're suggesting that because he looked good against a team that's not going to qualify for the Champions League this season, that it's evidence of greatness.
Because Ronaldo spent a large part of 2 or 3 years as a traditional winger in a 4-4-2 whereas Messi was mostly a right forward for a 4-3-3 since the beginning.
Jesus Christ will people stop posting this monstrosity.
So we can just ignore those years then as they don't count?
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