Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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Whoever of them bags a world cup with a reasonable performance will become the undisputed greater player. Plus the first person to sit on the same pedestal with Pele and Maradona. Right now both are seated with Di Stefano as the greatest club players ever.
Wow, so Ronaldo scores a brilliant overhead kick and suddenly gains 60 odd votes overnight? If ever you needed proof football fans are extremely fickle...
In my opinion, they are the greatest the sport has ever seen. Will be a sad time once they retire.
I just want to ask a question. Isn't there a difference between the best player of all time and the greatest player of all time? Because I think they are different. The best player could be the most insanely talented while the greatest could be the one with the biggest achievement, glory and game. For example as a Nigerian, the best player in our nation's footbfootball history is Jay Jay Okocha. An insane dribbled magician with the ball albeit with issues of consistency and drive. While the greatest football player is Nwankwo Kanu- a player with a poor background fought hard to play despite not receiving encouragement from any one and became a very important player for use. A decent dribbler, excellent poacher and strong winning mentality. We never had better big-game player. Almost a decade after both retired and I can safely say 'papilo' Kanu is more revered by Nigerian football supporters because of the many important goals he scored for us.
Sorry for the epistle just trying to make a point- best player and greatest player don't have to be the same. And a player could be one, without being the other
Sorry for the epistle just trying to make a point- best player and greatest player don't have to be the same. And a player could be one, without being the other
Look how his % increased in one day 
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He was reading redcafe,saw that the poll ends in June and got serious,like with the ballon d'or
.He was reading redcafe,saw that the poll ends in June and got serious,like with the ballon d'or
Ronaldo: I’ve scored 114 goals in the CL.
Messi: I’ve scored 97.
It's funny how it omits the amount of appearances for CL, but includes it for La Liga. Wonder why that is
Might've something to do with the fact that one of em started his first match in La Liga when he was 16 innit.
thing I wonder about most with respect to past greats is the amount of resistance. At this point in time all the great players play for the same 8 teams in Europe, whilst in the past the top was much more spread out. Put Maradona in current Real or Barca and I think he'd score a metric ton of goals.
These 2 are obviously both in a small list of all time greats, but who's on top I dunno, I think if Ronaldo wins the CL again this year, achievement wise it's hard to argue against him as more succesfull than Messi. If either of em wins the world cup that's a big step too. Of course individual brilliance and team success aren't a 1 on 1 match in football since it's a team game. So perhaps most successful and best aren't the same thing.
All in all I think Cristiano is putting a big exclamation mark behind his name at the moment. Let's see if Messi can step up
Messi: I’ve scored 97.
It's funny how it omits the amount of appearances for CL, but includes it for La Liga. Wonder why that is
Might've something to do with the fact that one of em started his first match in La Liga when he was 16 innit.thing I wonder about most with respect to past greats is the amount of resistance. At this point in time all the great players play for the same 8 teams in Europe, whilst in the past the top was much more spread out. Put Maradona in current Real or Barca and I think he'd score a metric ton of goals.
These 2 are obviously both in a small list of all time greats, but who's on top I dunno, I think if Ronaldo wins the CL again this year, achievement wise it's hard to argue against him as more succesfull than Messi. If either of em wins the world cup that's a big step too. Of course individual brilliance and team success aren't a 1 on 1 match in football since it's a team game. So perhaps most successful and best aren't the same thing.
All in all I think Cristiano is putting a big exclamation mark behind his name at the moment. Let's see if Messi can step up
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Ronaldo: I’ve scored 114 goals in the CL.
Messi: I’ve scored 97.
It's funny how it omits the amount of appearances for CL, but includes it for La Liga. Wonder why that is
Ronaldo also played as winger in 4-4-2, 4-4-1-1 till mid 2007-08 season. So yeah, his game record won't tell full story.
Well Messi used to play with Eto'o too. He was the central player he is now.
Not the same role. Messi was a wing forward, Ronaldo was winger.
By my slightly rough and ready calculations, at the start of the Champions League 5 years ago, Messi has scored 59 UCL goals and Ronaldo 51.
Despite Messi scoring a barely believable 41 UCL goals over the last 5 years, he’s now 18 goals behind. In that period, Ronaldo has scored 67.
I remember being certain Messi would end as the champions league top scorer a few years ago when they were neck and neck but Ronaldo is starting to get enough of a lead that, if they were both to retire at the same age, I think he will probably hold on.
Despite Messi scoring a barely believable 41 UCL goals over the last 5 years, he’s now 18 goals behind. In that period, Ronaldo has scored 67.
I remember being certain Messi would end as the champions league top scorer a few years ago when they were neck and neck but Ronaldo is starting to get enough of a lead that, if they were both to retire at the same age, I think he will probably hold on.
Lol the poll was 71-29 last night, it swung 7% in Ronaldo's favour after that performance and goal.
So sir Alex just wants an unpopular opinion
IMO Messi is always the better player (footballing+peak performance), but Ronaldo is going to be greater (achievement+legacy). Right now I thought they are equal in terms of GOAT.
He's definitely biased because one of the two became the player he is under him.
Statistically speaking Ronaldo is ahead by a large margin. How do you argue against that?
On paper only he was a winger, he wasn't tracking back whatsoever ,he was given freedom to roam forward with minimal defensive duties which allowed him to explode from a statistical POV. I always laugh at this notion of "winger" for Ronaldo, like it prevented him somehow from scoring or like it made him defend more than a normal wing forward.
He was winger till 2007, it was only from 2007 or 2008 he was given free role.
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Funny that he leaves out the fact that Messi is about to win his 7th league title. And Ronaldo has won 5, 2 since he moved to Madrid.
Or the fact only his CL goals at United whilst his league goals are disregarded, since counting them Messi has a better goal per game ratio in the league.
I doubt anyone is questioning Ronaldo is more successful in the CL, but then just call it Ronaldo & Messi in court - Champions league edition. Leave the framing to Fox news.
Agreed. There's a difference between who's the best player and who's the greatest player and I think part of the reason why there's so much chaos in here is because people aren't talking about the same thing. Some have even said that they think one player is better but argues for the other because they like him more, so there's a bunch of opinions flying around but not all of them adress the same question.
Wtf is up with you and your well balanced, reasoned, intelligent and honest posts? This is the Messi v Ronaldo thread, get that shit out of here.
Selective to back up his argument.
Not only does Messi have a better goals per game ratio, he also has a better assist per game ratio, better shot conversion ratio, better successful dribbles per game ratio, better successful passes per game ratio. Etc etc
Wtf is up with you and your well balanced, reasoned, intelligent and honest posts? This is the Messi v Ronaldo thread, get that shit out of here.
I'm a German, you know. We don't do jokes, banter, shit talk or anything related to humour over here
No, Ronaldo is an elite scorer, Messi can hurt you in many more ways than Ronaldo. Messi is all around fantastic, Ronaldo is more of a poacher. One is an elite goal scorer while the other is an elite goal scorer and playmaker. Messi’s vision in the pitch is much more like LeBron than Curry.
Curry hasn’t been around as long but he hasn’t even been the best player in the Finals, he’s not gonna finish his career as the second best player of all time worst case like LeBron is. Durant can even be argued as being better than Curry.
Whats funny is that anyone would have time to think up that, with all its flaws. Talk of dedicating time to wind up people
Why does this myth persist? Messi hurts you in one of the three ways that he is a specialist in. With his elite dribbling, elite passing and his elite vision. Ronaldo can hit you from range, in the air, can dribble you at clsoe to an elite level when he choses and has very good vision. Ronaldo is actually the one who has more ways with which to hurt you whilst, Messi is so good at his 3 ways, he is plain unstoppable with them. Even if you know they are coming.
Furthermore its pure myth that Ronaldo is just an elite scorer. In this seasons champions league for example he has created one less chance, than Messi, assisted more and has scored more. That tallies with being more than just an elite scorer. People really need to respect both as the greatest multi role attackers in their era. Messi may be the superior play maker, but that doesn't make Ronaldo merely an elite scorer. Even at his current age he is still much more than just an elite scorer.
Ronaldo is a poor dribbler, has one of the worst take ons in La Liga, scores far less from outside the box than Messi. He is good from within 6 yards, it’s not a myth at all. Give Ronaldo the ball in the middle of the pitch and no one is worried. Compare the types of goal Messi has scored this season to Ronaldo and all the angles he’s able to score from and it’s far more varied than Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a poacher and a damn good one, Messi is elite in many more ways on a pitch than Ronaldo is. And this is with Ronaldo playing much closer to goal than Messi. Someone posted a video of Ronaldo’s assists in CL this year and many of them were from defections and even a couple were misplaced places where he got lucky. No one is worried about Ronaldo outside of the box, everyone is worried about Messi all over the pitch as he can go through your team if you’re not careful.
No myths at all, and not a slight to Ronaldo, but 90% of his goals are headers or shots within 6 yards, Messi’s can do so much more with the ball even if Ronaldo is obviously much better in the air
Curry’s on court vision and IQ is on a comparable level to Lebron’s. Curry has the better handles and can score in several different ways because what he can do with the ball, no one else can. In that sense he is very Messi like. To label Curry as just an elite scorer is way too unfair on him. Curry’s allround greatness stems from his skills with the ball and to insinuate that Durant might be better than him is again doing disservice to his uniqueness and what he brings to the court. Without Curry the Warriors are a completely different team; they just play on another godly level with Curry leading them.
Lebron on the other hand is the most physically dominant player in his sport. His longevity is thanks to his off the court dedication to his physique and health. He has also adapted his game over the years to get the most out of himself and to put his team in the best position to win. Lebron’s allround game (minus the defence) is second to none, and his GOAT level productivity on the court stems from his aggressive and physically domineering style of play- which combined with his regime make him very Ronaldo like.
Why would we judge Ronaldo on what he can do in midfield? He was a wonderful winger ffs! He killed teams on the counter or even opening up space.
Did you only start watching Ronaldo at 31 buddy? Thats the only explanation for your analysis here.
@Daysleeper
Did you only start watching Ronaldo at 31 buddy? Thats the only explanation for your analysis here.
@Daysleeper
Why are Messi's league titles discounted in this debate? Is it because that's the only way the case for Ronaldo being more accomplished exists?
Yesterday we all enjoyed Ronaldo.
Tonight it's Messi's turn
Tonight it's Messi's turn
Of course,isn't it obvious.
There is this nonsense spreading that without Ronaldo,portugal will be quite "okay" but without messi,argentina will be shit.
Their respective countries will be meh without both players.
Their respective countries will be meh without both players.
It's Roma,i expect them to bitchslap them around.Yesterday we all enjoyed Ronaldo.
Tonight it's Messi's turn
I think Argentina without Messi would easily beat Portugal without Ronaldo to be honest. They're painfully average. Hell, even with Ronaldo we beat the 0-3
Barcelona tend to struggle in these type of scenarios, so I will not be surprised if they draw 0-0 and Messy fails to score.
Yesterday we all enjoyed Ronaldo.
Tonight it's Messi's turn
The best part of this rilvary, is that yesterday we got to see one of the best goals in UCL history, and today we can tune into the Barcelona game thinking "let's see what Messi does to trump Ronaldo today".
I know 95% he's not going to score a goal like the one Ronaldo just did or put 3 on Roma, but just that these two players can lit that doubt in our brain of "one of them just made history, let's see if the other outdoes him" it's a gift for any football fan.
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