I agree with you, just saying why I think people aren't happy with his performances.
I expect more from him, but agree with you that he's performed well in spite of poor performances from his teammates.
Messi at the World Cup - No Ronaldo comparisons!
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I agree with you, just saying why I think people aren't happy with his performances.
I expect more from him, but agree with you that he's performed well in spite of poor performances from his teammates.
the thing is, it's not even a switch from amazing Barcelona midfield to only a good one; this midfield isn't even good, it's painfully average. every single attacking player is underperforming. only Messi seems to remain unaffected, but that's only because he's just too good. I think I'd rather call Scholes and Giggs from retiremenet and put them in midfield than play with Gago and Mascherano.
Agreed.
He's effective when he's on the ball, but that's not very often is it. And in the absence of a supporting cast, he's noticeably uninspiring.
He has looked clearly their best player and has basically got them to the 1/4's on his own. And he still hasn't been at his peak
The guy really does not deserve any criticism at all in this tournament.
Higuain should be dropped... bring in another midfielder... and have a front three of Lavezzi, Di Maria and Messi
Fantastic again in such a dire performance. MOTM 4 times in a row at the WC. Would be deserved for the greatest player of all time to win the WC
I shot down TheShedEnd's post, which is word for word what he keeps repeating on a daily basis.
Messi's last season was one of his poorest, and the injury excuse doesn't hold up.
Question for you, do you celebrate when Messi goes a game without scoring, and excitedly masturbate when Ronaldo does something half decent (high chance it being a penalty, knowing Ronaldo)
I'm not critical of him - but I am critical of the Argie side as a whole and their inability to play as a galvanized unit, which imo is down to the manager.
Read the thread title.
No, I have the highest respect for both of them. I generally don't celebrate when either of them score, unless they do something exceptional.
I don't know if u watched that game or not but he was immense in that match, anything Barca done in attack all came through him that day.Another myth.
1) Messi wasn't the only player injured, so you're making up excuses, exactly what you accuse others of doing.
2) Many of those 40 goals have come from the penalty spot, especially all the ones late in the season.
3) Shit players don't score hat-tricks at the Bernabeu, but they might if they're given the chance to score 2 penos.
4) Helping your side reach a final and go on to lose it is not an achievement.
Really was a masterclass of a performance, but people rather talk about stats than his actual over all performance.
2 penalties takes nothing away from his motm performance, he was a genius in that game.
I think it's more the fact he has been burnt out. He also gets rushed back from every injury and has played games over the past 18 months that he should never have played
At the end of 90 mins today the guy looked visably ill, but no chance in hell was he going to be allowed to come off due to his importance.
I don't think you will have to worry, I don't see him being around at the top level for much longer, he has been run into the ground and expected to win games for years by club and country.
Argentina´s midfield is almost non existant. Many times during the game there were 6 argentinians back, Messi wandering alone in the middle and then the 3 attackers in line with the rival defense. Sabella really needs to change things or they will be out soon. And even with 6 in the back Argentina's defense doesn't give much confidence.
Hmmm your a Ronaldo far are you you?
Except Messi scored the most penalties last season. It's actually the only thing he did in the latter part of the season.
Your half-troll attempt at dissing Ronaldo failed you big time.
this isn't about Ronaldo vs Messi, its a Messi thread. Take that bull*hit somewhere else please. Its been done to death
Don't tell that to me. I wasn't the one who brought him up.
i think you should be less lenient with the thread bans. too many zealots and trolls (both for and against messi)
People claiming how bad Messi was past season. Well, he definitely wasn't at his best, health playing a big role in that. But even his worst he is equal or better than most people. Some guy made this list:
It depends what he's being compared to, the standards are different when applied to Messi and rightfully so. It isn't enough for a lot of people that he has a very good World Cup, the task for him really was to demonstrate why he's up there with Pele and Maradona. Show his peak form at the World Cup, demonstrate that he can absolutely dominate games on the biggest stage without a fantastic Barcelona side to assist him.
So whilst your right that he shouldn't be criticised the way normal players are - he's clearly played well - Messi hasn't completely stolen the show the way many people hoped/expected him to. He hasn't been the best player at this World Cup, let alone put in a string of performances to compare to the greats at previous tournaments.
never mind, mate, punpun will come back to say something ridiculousPeople claiming how bad Messi was past season. Well, he definitely wasn't at his best, health playing a big role in that. But even his worst he is equal or better than most people. Some guy made this list:
No disrespect to Raoul, but given the way he stood up for Ronaldo and blamed missing glaring chances 6 yards from goal on an alleged injury I'd say that's a given!
To stay on topic. I think he's doing about as much as can be expected with a really poor team. Di Maria, Higuain, Lavezzi, Aguero might be big names. But they're all attacking players and none of them have showed up to boot. Behind that in midfield and defence Argentina are down right average and will get a lesson when they eventually face a really top nation.
It's stuff like that that's ridiculous. Posting it is even more ridiculous. Agreeing with it is even the more ridiculous.
What are you talking about? He's got four goals, most successful dribbles, and creating chances galore in the tourney. Most key passes, and has won then every game. And his teammates are not supporting him at all. He even had most tackles on Argentina today. Honestly where do you get off saying something like that? He's put Ronaldo to shame this tournament. Look what Ronaldo did in similar circumstances on Portugal, feck all. Messi is the definition of a one man team.
Do people expect him to just dribble through opposing defences at all and score a hat trick a game?
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The Greats played with far better players
The Argies best players bar Messi....Aguero and Di Maria have been shocking. Its actually scary how bad they have been considering Aguero and Di Maria had stellar seasons with the clubs.
TBF Portugal's team is pretty terrible bar Ronaldo but one thing Messi has going for him is the fact is he can see a pass better than most players in the world as was shown in the Di Maria goal today. Many players would have over dribbled or shot instead of setting up Di Maria.
I'm watching Belgium against USA, everyones saying "how good the game is", but do you think any of those teams will play against argentina the way they are playing now?
this is like when Barcelona had to play against Chelsea or Inter
the difference is that argentina did win it's games
this is like when Barcelona had to play against Chelsea or Inter
the difference is that argentina did win it's games
Well there's two things. The tactical decision to move Messi inside and then to have him conserve energy when Barcelona didn't have the ball (and float away from defenders rather than close them down). That happened several seasons ago. Then there's his apparent physical decline over the last 15 months or so which is most evident because he doesn't have quite the same zip on the ball as he did previously.
why do people have an obsession about the amount of ground players cover?
Belgium will attack against the Argentina IMO.
there will be far more space for messi against teams in the next round. No offence but the Swiss were more cornered about conceding than scoring.
The likes of Holland and France will not play like that
if they do that, they'll suicide
We shall see.
Messi's performance today was really no different to his performance against Iran. In that game, he created two great chances for Higuaín and Rojo. The same thing happened today - he created a couple of good chances that his team-mates should really score from. Argentina's main strength is their fast transitions, but that's been defective in this World Cup, so more is expected from him. Di María is the only other attacking player who has looked dangerous, though much more less effective. Argentina are also a side that struggle against teams that play a low-block. Unless the efficiency increases, I can't see them winning the World Cup.
What do Argentinian fans make of this team?
Btw Messi has four motm awards in a row now, a world cup record... In one of the worst Argentina world cup sides of all time.
Best in the world by a country mile
Btw Messi has four motm awards in a row now, a world cup record... In one of the worst Argentina world cup sides of all time.
Best in the world by a country mile
as i said before, no team has it easy when they have to play against teams that defend with 10 men
we are not stupid so we do know this is not a great team, but so far, we had managed to score even though the teams we played worried more about not conceding than about scoring