Messi at the World Cup - No Ronaldo comparisons!

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Yep, apparently I was wrong. Shoot me.
 
Haven't really seen this much individual brilliance carrying a team in 1 world cup, let alone just after 3 group games.

Just to clarify, the first world cup I can remember was USA'94.

3 of his 4 goals were absolute belters to boot :drool:
It's sad how bad the rest of the team is though. He could have been a lot better if he wasn't their only source of pretty much everything.
 
Messi is so good at football he'll do nothing all match and then do an amazing assist for the winning goal at the very end just to prove someone on the internet wrong.
 
He was barely involved in the 1st. I thought he started playing around mid way through the 2nd and looked good

Looked knackerd in ET, but his run and pass for the goal was proper world class

I really would love to see him lift the World Cup
 
There is a bit of a mythology built up about Messi, such as how hard-working he is, a reputation built up on the basis of some pressing and chasing back five years ago. Refreshing to hear Ferdinand challenge it, albeit his point about "demanding the ball" wasn't really the best example.
It definitely wasn't 5 years ago. His lethargic nature is a recent phenomenon and it's very odd really because messi used to always be buzzing about earlier. Something is clearly up with him. I haven't a clue what but it's strange to see a player who was always on the move to be strolling about at times.
 
He really wants it this time. Shame the rest of his team don't want him to get it. If Argentina win the world cup, people looking back in history will say they had a great attack going in to this world cup but in reality the rest of the attackers have not turned up.
 
The man is a genius. Nothing else needs to be said. Might go on to become the greatest of all time before it's all said and done imo. Phenomenal player.
 
He looked knackered in ET, carried Argentina's attack, all the best chances came through him with the exception of Higuain's header and Di Maria's shot before the goal.

He'll probably get stick for not scoring himself though. Maradona comparison time - 5 goals and 5 assists in 1986, 4 goals and 1 assist for Messi in 2014.
 
It definitely wasn't 5 years ago. His lethargic nature is a recent phenomenon and it's very odd really because messi used to always be buzzing about earlier. Something is clearly up with him. I haven't a clue what but it's strange to see a player who was always on the move to be strolling about at times.

I believe there is something medically wrong with him. Fans have noticed how often he is physically sick in matches, could be linked to his health issues earlier in life? Im sure if you google it something will come up
 
I believe there is something medically wrong with him. Fans have noticed how often he is physically sick in matches, could be linked to his health issues earlier in life? Im sure if you google it something will come up

Lots of things come up if you google anything, doesn't make them true.

:lol:
 
i think he had some pretty nice moments, but the biggest thing is that he's just too tired... he doesn't move around to create space or make himself a target, rather relying on foresight and positional anticipation. For this reason he can hardly even involve himself into the game. The times he does get the ball, he creates quite alot imo.
The second biggest thing affecting him is his loss of a burst, before his acceleration was just electric, now it's still good but not nearly at the level it once was, quite a more mortal and containable speed threat.
 
Incredible. Not his best game (though I don't agree with those who say he was poor) but that last moment is what makes him special. Didn't give a feck whether he got the glory or not, just picked out the best option and laid it on a plate for Di María.

It's about time one of the Argentine players took one of their chances, he's been feeding them plenty every game and they've kept wasting them.
 
I'm hoping he'll regain his acceleration, all players have lost that extra bit of pace and adapted...fingers crossed he's not having to change this early in his career.
It would be very unusual, though, to lose pace at the age of 26.
 
6 tackles today, that's after a long time. I can't remember when that last happened. Not in 2014 for sure.
He still has the most successful dribbles in world cup. 2nd is Di Maria, 3rd Alexis.
If that's not enough, he produced 18 key passes so far, against highest among all players. Robben has 11.
He is creating chances, scoring them. I don't understand what more people want him to do??
 
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6 tackles today, that's after a long time. I can't remember when that last happened. Not in 2014 for sure.
He still has the most successful dribbles in world cup. 2nd is Di Maria, 3rd Alexis.
If that's not enough, he produced 18 key passes so far, against highest among all players. Robben has 11.
He is creating chances, scoring them. I don't understand what more people want him to do??

Rightly or wrongly he's judged on higher standards than other players. I think he's had a fantastic tournament by anyone elses standard but still some way short of his best.
 
He used to be so damn good , now he is still way better than a lot of players but he is the shadow of who he was..really.
 
He was ok today. Just goes to show how important his supporting cast at Barca have been, and how not having that support with Argentina makes him look more like Ronaldo with Portugal.
 
Rightly or wrongly he's judged on higher standards than other players. I think he's had a fantastic tournament by anyone elses standard but still some way short of his best.
I'd agree with that. It's just that a we've seen him at his best taking the piss with outrageous consistency. And it's hard to remove that from the back of the mind when judging him.
 
He used to be so damn good , now he is still way better than a lot of players but he is the shadow of who he was..really.

Stop making things up. When he was in the form of his life he wasn't all that great for Argentina, it's the other way around right now, and to call him a shadow of who he was is ridiculous. Injury plagued season, 40+ goals, helped a rubbish Barcelona side to the Copa final and the final day of the season, shit players don't score hat-tricks at the Bernabeu.
 
He was ok today. Just goes to show how important his supporting cast at Barca have been, and how not having that support with Argentina makes him look more like Ronaldo with Portugal.
You can say that with any player though

People always lavish over Ronaldo and Zidane's performances at international level but both played with far superior players than Messi and Ronaldo did.
 
Stop making things up. When he was in the form of his life he wasn't all that great for Argentina, it's the other way around right now, and to call him a shadow of who he was is ridiculous. Injury plagued season, 40+ goals, helped a rubbish Barcelona side to the Copa final and the final day of the season, shit players don't score hat-tricks at the Bernabeu.

Another myth.

1) Messi wasn't the only player injured, so you're making up excuses, exactly what you accuse others of doing. :lol:

2) Many of those 40 goals have come from the penalty spot, especially all the ones late in the season.

3) Shit players don't score hat-tricks at the Bernabeu, but they might if they're given the chance to score 2 penos.

4) Helping your side reach a final and go on to lose it is not an achievement.
 
As much as Messi setting up goals may suggest he's a great team player do you think he's much more likely than Ronaldo to pass to a team-mate in a better position in the last minute of the World cup final?

Messi is a unique talent, he played in a unique team. And this talent coupled with the possession style if his team and dominance will result in lots of assists. It doesn't mean he plays more for the team.

And he doesn't in my opinion. Neither does Ronaldo (to a greater extent than Messi), but Messi's had the platform (via a very unique team) to disguise it.
You obviously disagree, and we'll be going in circles.
Jesus read the title of the thread. No Ronaldo comparisons.
 
Rightly or wrongly he's judged on higher standards than other players. I think he's had a fantastic tournament by anyone elses standard but still some way short of his best.

He can't be at his best unless he gets helps from his team mates. Someone has to play clever 1-2s, or make some runs for him to get a through ball or distract others so that he can run at defenders head-on. This hasn't been happening here. That's why all goals for him in this world cup have been solo goals, not team goals as in barcelona.

He played more like traditional #10 today. Didn't go to the penalty box much.



But Higuain/Lavezzi had to step up a lot, they can't keep losing balls and making the attack slow.
 
More like Ronaldo with Portugal? He's still scoring and creating chances, it's nothing like that, I think it's a credit to him he's managed to do so much with his team being so poor, and like it or not, he's still stepped and played a huge part on a match where his team were struggling badly.

Also, his main men at Barca haven't kicked their arse in a couple of years, that league title win under Vilanova was as close to a one man show as you'll see in a top league.
 
You can say that with any player though

People always lavish over Ronaldo and Zidane's performances at international level but both played with far superior players than Messi and Ronaldo did.

That and they had good managers who got more out of their respective sides. This is the weakest Argie side in recent memory and yet they're in the quarters. If they can get it together against Belgium/USA, they will be in the Semis, which is probably more than they deserve.
 
Another myth.

1) Messi wasn't the only player injured, so you're making up excuses, exactly what you accuse others of doing. :lol:

2) Many of those 40 goals have come from the penalty spot, especially all the ones late in the season.

3) Shit players don't score hat-tricks at the Bernabeu, but they might if they're given the chance to score 2 penos.

4) Helping your side reach a final and go on to lose it is not an achievement.
Wait, are you saying Messi is shit? No wonder you're in the noobs.