Warne and McGrath were freaks though, true greats looking at the whole history of the game. It's about time we faced mere mortals!
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Warne and McGrath were freaks though, true greats looking at the whole history of the game. It's about time we faced mere mortals!
England have 1134/6 in the last two innings.
Brilliant from England, you can only beat what is put in front of you 
Warne and Mcgrath were exceptional.
But even before then they had Merv Hughes, Mcdermott, Terry Alderman. Even someone like Brett Lee whose not in that class of bowler is comfortably better than this attack.
I have not seen a hell of alot of this Australian attack before, so maybe I'm being premature but England have looked very comfortable against their bowlers.
Is there a more hate-able person in this world than Swann? No, I don't think there is.
A more punchable face I'm yet to see.
A more punchable face I'm yet to see.
Great thing is we have such a killer instinct about us. A former England side would've let Australia back into the game or would've taken an age to finish it off today. But we were sharp and took every single chance.
Celebrate while you can, were not staying shit for long.
Yeah they are poor in comparison. We've done to their bowlers what their batsmen did to ours in the nineties, just ground them down.
Ponting as gracious in defeat as you will get, recognising England's bowling was "very very good".
"Both attacks are reasonably similar"
"Both attacks are reasonably similar"
Its difficult not to like Strauss. A great captain.
A bit like us in the last 20 years?
These things happen in cycles, welcome to our world.
Their bowlers remind me of that era when Gus Fraser was injured and England had the likes of Defreitas, Chris Lewis, and relied on someone like Devon Malcolm occasionally enjoying a spell of destructive form with some piss poor off spinner thrown in for good measure when Tufnell had pissed off the selectors. It was an average bowling attack like this one and the likes of Waugh, Taylor and co used to spank massive scores.
What Pietersen and Cook did this test used to happen to England home and away nearly every test against Australia in the 90's.
Yup, calling up people like Illot for a game or two just to see if they can do owt. It's bloody lovely to have the boot on the other foot for a while.
That's an important detail, right there. The Aussies saw Strauss as England's pivotal batsman, and talked about targeting him in order to effect the morale of the rest of the side. For England to have been so dominant here without a contribution from Strauss must be a great confidence-booster for the side.
Although Australia are bound to hit back hard, it's difficult to see England relinquishing their grip on the series now.
Is there a more hate-able person in this world than Swann? No, I don't think there is.
A more punchable face I'm yet to see.
Just me that thinks they look alike?
I liked Pontings comment there, "the seam attacks are very similar" yes Ricky whilst Englands seam attack of Anderson and Finn have taken 16 wickets between the pair of them already your seam attack thats compiled of 7 different bowlers already hasnt taken 16 wickets in the series! the only similarity is they have the term 'bowler' next to their name after that its a world of difference.
Anderson is so far superior to any Australian seamer its laughable, as is Swann to any Aussie spinner, Add in Finn whos also looked a class above any Aussie seamer as well and you get that, an innings defeat on the flattest wicket in Australia.
I love Swann. Seems a fun bloke.
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Woooooooo!!!!!!!!
World number 1's by next winter.
The Indians are shitting it.
Woooooooo!!!!!!!!
World number 1's by next winter.
The Indians are shitting it.
Sorry got a bit excited there.
I do think this England side has everything required mind.
The Aussie side is an avergae one - but even so this is phenomenal cricket over the last 7 days.
We'd beat anyone in this sort of nick.
I do think this England side has everything required mind.
The Aussie side is an avergae one - but even so this is phenomenal cricket over the last 7 days.
We'd beat anyone in this sort of nick.
I bet Skippy Ponning is regretting his crass impersonation of Strauss chewing gum when he didn't know the camera was on him yesterday. Hahahahaha.
Looking ahead to PerthTremlett has to come in, its surely the best and obvious selection especially given the Wacka is the bounciest wicket in Australia and Tremlett bowled wonderfully well in the pre ashes A game at Hobart, Tremlett and Finn both 6ft 7 plus big lads would be a great combo backing up Anderson with the new ball on that pitch.
I just hope we don't go down the line of Bresnans a better batsmen were 1-0 in the series what we have we hold kind of mentality, the way our top 7 is batting Australia haven't even got down to number 8 these last few innings.
I just hope we don't go down the line of Bresnans a better batsmen were 1-0 in the series what we have we hold kind of mentality, the way our top 7 is batting Australia haven't even got down to number 8 these last few innings.
Deserved win by England. The test was not lost by the Australian batsmen but the bowlers. You can't bowl that shit, completely destroying any morale for the team and expect not to have an implosion like this.
Being 2-3 in the first innings didnt help though. You bowled awfully but it's not the only problem for australia at the mo, especially with katich now out.
I assume Phil Hughes will come in for Katich? another guy who cant play the short ball.
Match Scorecard:
They say the score doesn't always tell the whole story in end sometimes...but in this case, the scorecard most definitely tells the story of the match. Australia were always 2nd best.
They say the score doesn't always tell the whole story in end sometimes...but in this case, the scorecard most definitely tells the story of the match. Australia were always 2nd best.
Calls for Warne to come back are growing louder over here. If they make the call, you can almost bet he'll say yes. He's just that kind of bloke. It's also the morale boost this Australian side needs.
Tremlett will be Hughes' worst nightmare
Desperation rears it head i see, that would be comical, please come out of retirement Warnie we know your now 42 years old but we're shit without you.
I think any pitch with bounce is Hughes worst nightmare, Flintoff and Harmission destroyed him with the short ball in the last ashes and he was dropped after 2 games as a result, Tremlett and Finn at Perth wouldn't exactly fill him with joy im sure.
245 on that pitch on the first morning just isn't good enough.
While I agree the Aussie batsmen are good, they aren't as ruthless as their predecessors. The likes of Hayden, Langer, Ponting would come out and make huge hundreds scoring at over 4 an over. Whereas these days you have the likes of Watson and Katich who make 50s but don't convert and kill off the opposition when they are down. Clarke and Hussey are more accumulators than swash buckling players.
Someone like a Hayden had a phenomenal conversion rate. 30 hundreds and 29 fifties. And he'd get massive hundreds.
Yeah but to be fair the England attacks we've taken to Asutralia in the past pale in comparison to this one, theres just no let up with this attack, weve never had a spinner like Swann before a genuine world beater who can win you games on his own at times, hes to us what Warne was to the Aussies that x factor bowler who the opposition just couldnt match, even if the Aussie seam attack gets better which you'd think it has to they still dont have a spinner even close to the level of Swann.
cock.
The Aussie batsmen gave their bowlers such a paltry total to bowl at at a time when England had all the impetus. They should have made a much much better total in the first innings and made England work more in the field.
Regardless of which team England sent throughout their history, the Australian side in 06 would have wiped the floor with them. It was the last hurrah of that great team. It's why the shock of this Australian side bemuses nearly everybody including most Australians.
At your other post, the only thing comical about Warne coming back would be the shit extruding from the English batsmen. Regardless of age, Warne is as sharpe as ever and he looks fit compared to the last couple of years of his retirement.
The 06 side you speak of had their arses handed to them a year earlier in 05 by England, so dont talk rubbish they were far from invincible although compared to the current Aussie side anything looks invincible. England were unprofessional in 06 they didn't prepare properly had a few injuries and that Aussie side motivated by revenge were up for it more, hence you got that outcome, but they were the same aussie players who were taught a lesson and thoroughly outplayed during the 05 ashes in England a year earlier, England had their number.
As for Warne, the mans 42 years old, hes been out the game for years if you expect him to suddenly get the whites back on and spin you to victory your dreaming and it reeks of desperation that your calling for an old hero to come out of retirement because your current crop are getting a pasting, its a desperate call from a desperate public who can see their team going down the shitter and taking a beating from England in their own backyard.
Just started pissing down here now. Why couldn't it come about 4 hours ago or so?