The wingers and the #10.
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The wingers and the #10.
I know but Memphis isn't a 10.
Wingers get full freedom under van Gaal. Everywhere he's been wingers have almost a free role. He just doesn't like when wingers don't use their heads like run into trouble when a sideways pass to the midfielder outside the box is a better option. I don't get where some people on here get this nonsense from.
Yeah, I was thinking this. Robben at the World Cup was playing as a winger and in most matches coming inside and playing as a second striker too. He was obviously very effective like that. Wingers are usually Van Gaal's most creative players, as midfielders are used to distribute and spread the play a lot more - possession is his game after all.
Agree.
I thought Young role was very restricted and "tactical"?
Because Young is limited, he doesn't have all the tools needed to be a full Van gaal winger.
Mostly excellent crosses... Young has had good season but his crossing and final ball is still bad. Depay picked someone out in most of those.
It doesn't make sense to have both wingers on a free role though. You need at least one of them to track back and help out the full back.
Does Di Maria have all the tools? Because I've heard moaning all season about how he has to play in a free role and that the tactical restrictions are killing his creativity.
That's what I had in mind, and Mata is already playing the free role on the right.
Memphis strikes me as on the cusp of becoming very good next year.
Yeah, I think he'll hit the ground running. I also don't think he'll be as inconsistent or frustrating as the wingers we've been used to. His bottom level wont be as horrific.
Not necessarily, it's the left and right center midfielders who support the left and right fullbacks, the wingers and the striker will begin the defensive phase by pressing intensively during several seconds and then drop back slightly inside.
For example here the ball is on the left:
-------Striker
--Winger---Winger----
LCM-CDM--RCM
LB----CB----CB---RB
In reality the midfield is more compact because he will slide on the side where the ball is. It's basically what Madrid did last season with Modric and Di Maria supporting Marcelo and Carvajal.
Edit: There is also the possibility to see the CDM drops between the two CBs and therefore give them the freedom to support their fullback.
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Young is a limited player. His skill set is all about working hard, delivering decent crosses on his right foot and also dribbling.
Memphis on the other hand has many other attributes to his game starting from his goalscoring ability, long shots, attacking movement while also being good at going both side of a defender and not the one dimensional cut inside and cross or shoot of your average inverted winger.
I see, but my understanding is that LvG wants to play with a #10. In that case it doesn't work that well.
Di Maria has a lot of the right tools, he just lacks the tactical understanding, because yes he is free but only within a game plan.
When Van gaal plays in 4231 there is no defense, it's just about outscoring the opposition and keeping the ball.
Some actual targets to find and the Americans not being able to defend a cross to save their lives didn't do Memphis any harm though. He won't have it so easy in the PL, not just Memphis' but all of Netherlands crosses were finding targets. Its not going to be the same story trying to find Rooney in a packed box from some lower team parking the bus.
Even so, he's very capable of it and had plenty of those slide through passes into the strikers feet that RvP used to thrive on, but hardly anyone attempts it for us. And those crosses were very hard to defend against anyway, so you couldn't ask for much more from your winger IMO.
I just have a feeling he'll become a world class player with us, just seems to be suited perfectly for United and the prem.
Not a true Van Gaal winger until he nutmegs someone to get past two defenders, looks up, sends a high cross to the backpost for Fellaini to smash in for the winner.
Fixed it for you.I've done this already, only PSV don't have Fellaini
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If depay plays next season like Ashley Young's best months of his United career I'd be delighted. Young has been turd for most of his United career. That's what we're trying to improve upon.
Those NED vs USA highlights are good.
The guy certainly has promise.
But having watched football for decades, it remains to be seen how well he plays for Man Utd.
I've seen the likes of Veron, Forlan, Di Maria, Falcao, Porborsky etc, play extremely well for their countries and for other teams, but when they put on a Man Utd shirt, they are less than stellar.
My prediction is that he will spend most of his time on the bench, but will provide an alternative to A.Young. Of course, if Young get injured then Depay could well feature in many games for us.
Where Di Maria is the finished product and is expected to provide immediate impact, I think Depay is one for the future (just like Ronaldo was, when he came to Man Utd at 18).
The guy certainly has promise.
But having watched football for decades, it remains to be seen how well he plays for Man Utd.
I've seen the likes of Veron, Forlan, Di Maria, Falcao, Porborsky etc, play extremely well for their countries and for other teams, but when they put on a Man Utd shirt, they are less than stellar.
My prediction is that he will spend most of his time on the bench, but will provide an alternative to A.Young. Of course, if Young get injured then Depay could well feature in many games for us.
Where Di Maria is the finished product and is expected to provide immediate impact, I think Depay is one for the future (just like Ronaldo was, when he came to Man Utd at 18).
lol if a Dutch international and a someone who has just scored 28 goals is put on the bench for Ashley Young then we might as well write next season off already.
What? Where have you been for the past 7 months where a World Cup finalist worth £60m has been benched by Ashley Young?
Yeah during the worst form of Di Maria's career. An in form Di Maria shits on Young like that bird hovering over old Trafford did. Long term there's no way Ashley Young can be our main winger.
That wasn't my point. I know Di Maria is much better but I was just pointing out the Di Maria situation because Sonny was shocked to think that anyone would think that Ashley Young could keep a good player out of the team
!Oh yeah for sure, I guess I misread slightly.That wasn't my point. I know Di Maria is much better but I was just pointing out the Di Maria situation because Sonny was shocked to think that anyone would think that Ashley Young could keep a good player out of the team
Personally I just want to see Di Maria in form. We need that sort of quality next season. Young if he plays like he has this season will be great, and if Memphis plays the way Young has in the second half of the season, for his first season in England, I'd be happy.
I think with Di Maria and Memphis on the wings, in form, we'd have the best attacking threat in the league.
It will be fun having someone that powers in free kicks instead of just placement.
When is the official unveiling?
Probably some point after the internationals. I think Netherlands still have a game to play.
Yeah, maybe the next weekend. Ugh, I cant wait anymore!
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He looks top notch. Can't wait to see him in a red shirt.
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proper player. Even more impressed now ...
Watched the game. What a player. Good movement to get open. Great first touch, pacey, had 2 brilliant crosses (one with the left foot) and another 2-3 that were very well struck balls that didn't pick out a striker, looks dangerous cutting in and even had a brilliant leap and flick on to hint at possible development of a consistent aerial threat. Some clever short passes between the lines centrally as well. Disappeared at times during the 2nd half.
Now everyone's getting it.
I've really not seen enough of Depay to say but it also depends on how in form the striker is. We haven't had a proper firing striker for awhile.
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