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Because a manager will know what type of player suits the type of football they want to play.
And said manager will also decide having seen that player in training.It's not merely an arbitrary decision to drop him.
Remember how Depay once upon a time mocked Van Persie? "Do big boys play for Fenerbahce?" Sounds like he will be fortunate if he can be playing for Fenerbahce at Van Persie's age.
When he been given cameos,Memphis has looked bang average.Well he didn't really drop him given he wasn't a regular in the first place.
I can understand why he might have originally had other players higher in the pecking order, but given that no one is performing consistently I'd argue Memphis deserves his chance in the first XI.
An unfortunate disappointment so far. I do think not having a run of games has hurt him, at the age he was at when we bought him he needed to keep playing in order to develop. He had a run of games early on under Van Gaal and did alright then he didn't play that often but had the very occasional good performance when he did.
Ultimately he doesn't or hasn't fit into the styles of play that our managers have had. He's at his best in a team which play quickly on to the counter where he can run with the ball into space and also run in behind. Under Van Gaal this was rare as we allowed teams to regroup and get numbers behind the ball, Memphis isn't the type of player to go past 3 players in tight spaces, he needs to be running onto the ball in transition. If teams have men behind the ball he's fairly limited as the only thing he can really do is cut inside and shoot/cross.
You'd have thought he would be more suited to Mourinho's system but I think its clear the Mourinho of now is not the Mourinho of the past, at least the Mourinho in his first Chelsea spell up until Madrid. Remember the times when Mourinho would do things like leaving two players forward when defending corners? I don't think he's done it in a long while. He's become even more pragmatic than he previously was as he expects his winger to get back and defend every time we lose the ball and again this just means we don't have much scope for counter as all of our players are forced back. It's clear this was the issue in the City game where we had nothing in behind from the wide areas or centrally and ended up just having to pass the ball about 5 yards which just played into City's hands. This is something that Memphis wasn't forced to do at PSV, he was allowed to express himself and perhaps stay forward at times. I think this also is the reason people like Rashford and Martial have struggled under Mourinho.
He's been brought on late on in games and not been great. I think we as fans expect a young player coming on late to basically run around and give absolutely everything he has and be almost Tevez like. I would agree with those who say that he seems like he doesn't really care when he comes on, that's clearly on him but there must be a reason for that. Perhaps it's just an attitude thing, perhaps he feels like he's not wanted. It's impossible to say really, I just hope that rather than just giving up on him Mourinho will put his arm round him and tell him that even though he hasn't been good enough so far, he has faith that his quality will eventually come through and will start him in a game or two and allow him to express himself, whether that's in the League Cup or the Europa.
Seems to becoming an annoying issue with Dutch youngsters. Too much talk. Same goes for Bazoer and El Ghazi at Ajax.What was that motto of his again? Believe, work, achieve or something like that? He talks better than he plays.
What are you talking about? He was underwhelming in his first few months at the club, and Van Gaal continually played him until he became injured. He never got any better in those consecutive games he started.
Pointing out Rashford's and Martial's struggles doesn't make Memphis any less of a failure here. Those two has had impacts bigger than Memphis has had at the club, for one. He's been an utter failure of a signing.
I said he was alright early on especially in terms of the numbers put up, I never said he was superb. I stand by what I said anyway. By the end of September he'd scored 2 goals and assisted one against Brugge at home, then got an assist at Brugge away, he then scored away in that PSV game and then at home to Sunderland in late September. Of course he had a few underwhelming games but 4 goals and 2 assists by then isn't too shabby for a new young signing is it? He was dropped or injured after that I can't remember then returned and scored against Watford.
He was very poor after that something which I haven't denied. Perhaps I worded the whole thing wrongly.
What I meant was he had enough chances in the first team. I remember him starting a lot of consecutive games even while he was performing badly in them. I'm not talking about goals/assists numbers, just his general performances in games. Quite a few of us were moaning about him continually being given starts while playing poorly.
I am tired of posters confusing, people thinking a player isn't good enough with hate.
Fantastic post. Well done
I really don't understand the hate Memphis is getting in the caf and also in the training ground. He has surely not performed the way he has in his home league (Ducth) but we cant expect the level to be same and we were prepared to give him time and evolve. He need better man management, a proper trainer and a motivator to tell him, " its gonna be okay !! you just do your stuff !!". I mean I can see the player running like wild dog behind the ball in as much time he got under jose! he wants to prove himself but he is so scared that he will not get his chance if he cant score a goal with a minute he is on the grass makes him take those outrageous shots ( I very well know his shot taking addiction). But at this point I am happy he takes shot, and would rather train and encourage him to get in better position and go for shots ! maybe a ricocheted ball will fall on one of our own player in the box and create a chance. His dribbling has been great, his strength is right for the league , he is very much like Xerdan Shaqiri who has been great so far. I would rather have him play out wide and whip in crosses to Zlatan, play Marcus or Anthony as striker along with then to let them keep suffering playing out wide and cutting in which make the D box more crowded and finally nothing comes out if it. I would have also encouraged Memphis to stimulate if we must and draw fouls. I think he can take it . Please match goers !! Support the lad .. maybe even sing for him, let him know he is loved and the same goes for every other player we know they can are unable to do so far !!
And I am tired of posters judging to early than they should. Memphis has every stats on his back to be a good attacking footballer. He has represented his national team from early days, he has scored goals for the senior team, he was a top scorer in a league (not on the same level, I agree). His stats were better than Anthony Martial, but Martial broke into the squad in a splendid manner which Memphis failed to do so. He got 5 goals in Europa last season, Mr. Memphis and as for league is concerned, we weren't that attacking either under LVG.
If just he was good enough!
I agree. Looks like he's forgotten the "good enough" stage, and wants to jump straight to world beater.A bit cringey if you ask me. Deep quotes won't help anyone.
I doubt ge even puts that up himself.I agree. Looks like he's forgotten the "good enough" stage, and wants to jump straight to world beater.
I don't know.. I catch most of his tweets, and if someone is getting paid for doing running his account, they are about as good in their jobs as he is. Not impressed.I doubt ge even puts that up himself.
Blame his marketing team instead.
If he was just good enough!
If he was just good enough!
You are being harsh.I don't know.. I catch most of his tweets, and if someone is getting paid for doing running his account, they are about as good in their jobs as he is. Not impressed.
Never seen a player talk big game like this guy.
If he was just good enough!
Well, I'm involved in a few digital projects, and through that know loads of people who work with social media management. Some of them are quite normal.The signature in the bottom right corner is really weird.
Does he make these himself...? Or maybe someone else does it.
Imagine that being your job...
Well, I'm involved in a few digital projects, and through that know loads of people who work with social media management. Some of them are quite normal.
Pissed off Liverpool got Firmino and we got this fraud.
Pissed off Liverpool got Firmino and we got this fraud.
Talking more about talent wise. Never any guarantees(as we know only too well) but Firmino is a far better player.
