They can't control what he eats outside of the club though, and he's said himself he's hiring a personal cook to better balance his diet
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Yeah, the context of this post is about 60% of those goals and assists came in the equivalent of what turned out to be a glorified friendly against a heavily injury struck Brugge side.
Shall we apply the same logic to Rooney? 43% of all Rooneys goals this season came in one game against that same side.
Yeah, and Rooney has been shite too. I don't see the point in your post.
I just think it's important to highlight how bad Rooney is at any given opportunity. I almost made a thread about it but I'm not sure if we do Rooney threads on here, I haven't seen any if we do.
Probably for the best, like. The wit wouldn't come close to your post in the Valencia thread.
They had at least 8 first team injuries. I'm pretty sure their entire back line was injured - the team was barely second string.
How many 'glorified friendlies' give you the chance to play in the CL?
Criticise him if you must, but don't talk shit.
That one did, so there's at least one.
Even without injuries it's clear Brugge was a comfortable side for Memphis (and Rooney...) to meet because they are closer in their level and I suppose style to what Memphis was used to playing against in Holland.
He moved to Barcelona in 1997, taking over from Bobby Robson, and helped the team win two league championships (1997–98, 1998–99) and the Copa del Rey once.[7] Despite this success, he clashed with the media and came under criticism. Van Gaal expressed that it was difficult to implement his football philosophy at Barcelona due to cultural differences, and that he struggled hard as some players were unwilling to follow his lead.[9] His rows with Rivaldo are an example of this: Van Gaal insisted Rivaldo play as a left winger, whereas Rivaldo argued that he wanted to play in the centre, in effect undermining van Gaal.[10]
I'll give you close Control as of now, the other parts I find very questionable. Memphis is also the fastest of the 4 so to call his pace "ordinary" would seem strange. I don't Think he's any worse than anyone else in that bunch at beating his man, he did it 6-8 times in the Newcastle game alone, both on the inside and outside. I don't Think there's much wrong with his link-up play either, it looked good at the start of the season when he played more centrally, but even Shaw isn't the most brave or creative of fullbacks so I can see why it hasn't quite happened. Those things take time anyway, time which he's had the least of compared to the others. He had a very successful partnership with PSV left-back Willems last year who's a lot more comfortable going forward compared to any of our fullbacks.
I Think he's the most well-rounded because he's got goals the most goals in him, he can score from near and far. He's physically far superior to any of Lingard, Pereira and Januzaj. He's obviously skillful and his passing is underrated IMO. His ability to pick a pass has been displayed for example with the assists for Rooney and Fellaini vs Brugge, and as he's shown for Holland previously. His movement has consistantly had him in goal-scoring situations for us, which he hasn't executed nearly well enough or it'd be a completely different story to his start here. He's shown he's very capable at set-pieces, and he does chip in more defensively than people like to acknowledge. I think that his game vs Spain earlier this year exemplifies all of his talents and his potential perfectly, only he out of him, Lingard, Januzaj and Pereira could've played that game (if that makes any sense).
You could put on 7kg of muscle in that time... if your diet and training were immaculate.
Teach me.
I'm going off completely trustworthy and legitimate anecdotal evidence I've read on bodybuilding.com... So you know it must be true!
Good enough for me mate! Vegas just been booked for next summer so off I go.
Very interesting. Could have played a part in his general sluggishness. There's no reason for a wideman to put on so much muscle really. I'd rather see the emphasis at his age being more on how to shield the ball, how to find space, how to pick a pass etc than becoming a boxer who plays football.
With regards to what I've read in this thread, again I disagree with those who simple can't see what he's good at. He's clearly a goalscorer. You don't score that many goals in the Dutch league at such a young age without having a talent for goalscoring. He's also shown his skill on the ball, and crossing prowess on numerous occasions, just not as many as we'd like for us. He may not be a natural dribbler but everyone doesn't have to be. Hopefully over the next year he works hard, improves and proves himself at United.
Again I'll repeat, the benching was years later. They didn't get along in his first stint, but he didn't drop him. I don't see the point of that wikipedia paragraph.
Rivaldo was sold in the summer of 2002 before LvG took charge. He didn't manage rivaldo at that time.
In his first stint he did bench him due to poor form in 1998 or so but rivaldo blamed that on playing him out of position even though he had played there the previous season and was their topscorer. Rivaldo was annoyed because he was booed by the fans once for a poor performance and he gave this excuse.
He was gone by 2002. As Prath stated. Rivaldo was there for his first stint.
........its the dutch league
just cos you can score bags loads of goals in the dutch league does not mean you are going to succeed in the premiere league. nor should you be expected too the difference in quality is huge!
The guy obv has talent, not sure why people keep going on about the dutch league, doesn't matter you can see he is talented.
I agree that one should not expect big things from the off given the adaptation required and the time that takes for different players, however his achievements in the Dutch league do showcase that the kid has a gift for goal scoring which comfortably answers the confused souls who feel the need to ask "what is he actually good at?!".
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...severe-under-performing-depay#:GsUON97T7oHlpA
Actually a non-bashing fairly decent article.
Actually a non-bashing fairly decent article.
Why Manchester United must persevere with under-performing Depay
Here’s an undeniable fact: Memphis Depay, save for a few moments of fleeting brilliance, has been utter rubbish since joining Manchester United. His double against Club Brugge in the first leg of the Champions League qualifier offer the only standout moments of real quality.
Depay was full of running and invention in that game, placing the fear of God into the Belgians’ back four. In short, he was everything you would expect from the archetypal Manchester United No.7 – not the pretenders who have donned the jersey in recent years, but the famous wing wizards of peak Sir Alex Ferguson era: David Beckham, Eric Cantona and in particular, Cristiano Ronaldo. Depay’s performance that night meant expectations skyrocketed, with many United fans christening him the heir to Ronaldo’s throne.
To say Depay has disappointed since then would be an understatement. Too often, the Dutchman has gone down blind alleys like a post-winter Angel Di Maria, lacking in guile, conviction and confidence. Crosses have been shunted out of play and left passers-by outside Old Trafford worried about the safety of their heads. With Louis van Gaal already carrying one passenger in Wayne Rooney, he had little choice but to consign his young compatriot to the bench.
The criticism of Depay has generally been fair, but there’s also been a wilful amount of revisionism doing the rounds lately, with one columnist even comparing him to Ravel Morrison – a player with a long history of ill-discipline and legal troubles – and some fans nonsensically mentioning his name in the same breath as Bebe, the £7 million recruit who was destined for the Old Trafford scrapheap the moment the ink had dried on his contract.
It is being conveniently glossed over that the winger is 21-year-old youngsters still adapting to the physical demands of the world’s most aggressive league
Depay’s penchant for the Manchester nightlife is as well documented as his flamboyant dress sense (he wears fake gold teeth), which has bizarrely attracted criticism in some outlets, as if his choice of attire has a direct correlation with his on-pitch output. The soap opera nature of the Premier League means that at least one major side has to be in crisis at any given time; in the absence of a genuine problem at United, Depay has become an easy target.
It is being conveniently glossed over that the winger is a 21-year-old youngsters still adapting to the physical demands of the world’s most aggressive league. “It's a high rhythm in the Premier League but he has to adapt to that high rhythm and he shall improve I think,” was Van Gaal’s assessment of Depay in September, with the player himself admitting that he was struggling with the English top flight's frantic pace.
Depay has struggled with the pace and physicality of the Premier League
“There are a lot of games in Manchester,” he said. “There are very few rest days and on training days you are mainly concerned with recovering. It’s heavy, two games a week, always at a high level, and my body has to get used to that.”
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“Being compared to an all-time superstar may be flattering at first, but it’s ultimately a set-up for failure"
The Ronaldo comparison also means he faces a much higher level of scrutiny, which unsurprisingly does him no favours. The modern phenomenon of comparing young upstarts to the game’s greats is detrimental to the former group’s development. Being compared to an all-time superstar may be flattering at first, but it’s ultimately a set-up for failure when young players – as is the case more often that not – fail to meet these prescribed standards.
Depay has often looked weighed down by the expectations, crumbling under the weight like a squash plant wilting in the mid-summer heat. He has often been guilty of over-complicating moves, shooting wildly at goal when a simple pass to a team-mate would have sufficed. For context, Depay is dispossessed four times per game on average – the third-highest amount in Europe’s top five leagues, and the highest in the Premier League. Enthusiasm and risk-taking are admirable qualities, but for a player struggling for form and confidence, getting back to the basics is essential.
Depay’s travails have seen him dropped from the latest Netherlands squad amid claims from coach Danny Blind that he isn’t always a team player. Understandably, though, Van Gaal has pleaded for calm: “I have to be patient for Memphis, and the fans do also”.
Time to acclimatise
“Philippe Coutinho, Thierry Henry, Christian Eriksen and Hector Bellerín all struggled to varying degrees at the start of the Premier League careers before becoming some of the best players in the division"
It is widely accepted that foreign imports to the Premier League usually struggle in the first few months following their arrival. If anyone deserves to be persevered with, it is a player who notched 39 goals in 90 Eredivisie appearances and was nominated for the World Cup’s Best Young Player Award. Patience, however, is a virtue in short supply when players and managers are routinely condemned after a defeat and hailed after a victory.
The Premier League is replete with foreign youngsters who initially struggled before ultimately coming good. Before this season, Erik Lamela was considered an overpriced part of Tottenham’s post-Bale splurge, but the Argentine has clawed his way back to reckoning with a string of impressive displays this term. The list of stars who have taken a while to get going is endless: Philippe Coutinho, Thierry Henry, Christian Eriksen and Hector Bellerin all struggled to varying degrees at the start of the Premier League careers before becoming some of the best players in the division.
Lamela has been terrific so far this term after a difficult first two years at White Hart Lane
Even Ronaldo, patron saint of fleet-footed United wingers, had an indifferent start to his career at Old Trafford, having to wait until November – and his 10th match – for his first goal in the club’s colours. If history has taught us anything, it’s that an inauspicious start to life in England need not spell the end for a promising young player’s career.
Bulking up
“The winger has even hired a personal chef in an attempt to control his weight and bulk up"
For Depay, the task now is to work hard and claw his way back into contention with both the Netherlands and United. Often the first step for a struggling player is to admit failure, and Depay’s comments in recent days suggest he is not blind to his own shortcomings.
"When I stood on the scales first I thought, 'OK, is this correct?' My body is still developing. Now I'm a little heavier. I work a lot on my co-ordination and starting speed," he revealed. "Since I joined Manchester United, I've gained five kilos. And that's not fat, only muscle mass. It's pretty bizarre. It's also due to the heavy rhythm in England. I now weigh 85 kilos."
Depay has become heavier and stronger since he first arrived in England
The winger has even hired a personal chef in an attempt to control his weight and bulk up his frame, a move that has worked well for several players in the past.
David de Gea looked woefully out of his depth in his first season at Manchester United, flapping at crosses and generally leaving United fans with numerous heart-in-mouth moments. Sir Alex Ferguson persevered with the talented goalkeeper, though, and with Eric Steele’s help, De Gea transformed from joke figure into one of the planet’s best custodians.
Given time, Depay can emulate his team-mate and become a world beater in the years to come. As Van Gaal insisted, patience is key.
This bulking up thing is odd, he was well more than bulky enough to begin with.
In the Summer I stated numerous times that Depay was not a ready made, top of the line player. Certainly not in the same class as Di Maria.
And that for this season at least, A.Young would be first choice LW, with Depay playing if Young is injured (or in low key games).
Am I worried for Depay? Nope. I expected this sort of performance and feel that he will need the whole of this season to adapt to this league.
The only thing that could be a worry is attitude. If his attitude (like Di Maria's) becomes a problem, he'll become a fringe player and then get sold in a cut-price deal. Just as we saw with Di Maria.
It really is up to Depay, how this turns out. If he shows a good work ethic in training, he'll eventually get game time and the opportunity to prove himself.
Depay has been terrible (sorry guys, but its true) and as a result has been benched until further notice. He could yet have a stellar 2016. Or he may go in the same direction as Di Maria. Only time will tell.
And that for this season at least, A.Young would be first choice LW, with Depay playing if Young is injured (or in low key games).
Am I worried for Depay? Nope. I expected this sort of performance and feel that he will need the whole of this season to adapt to this league.
The only thing that could be a worry is attitude. If his attitude (like Di Maria's) becomes a problem, he'll become a fringe player and then get sold in a cut-price deal. Just as we saw with Di Maria.
It really is up to Depay, how this turns out. If he shows a good work ethic in training, he'll eventually get game time and the opportunity to prove himself.
Depay has been terrible (sorry guys, but its true) and as a result has been benched until further notice. He could yet have a stellar 2016. Or he may go in the same direction as Di Maria. Only time will tell.
187 pounds! That would make him a light heavyweight boxer. He isn't even tall. Maybe he is struggling to adjust to the weight gain.
He just looks far to big and stocky. As you say, he looks more like a boxer then a footballer atm. And it looks to be effecting his pace and mobility.
No, I'd honestly rather sell him than pointlessly loan him to Watford or Newcastle.
wasnt saying he wasn't talented, he obviously has talent... i was saying that scoring goals in the dutch league doesnt mean your gonna be a success in the premiere league.
Looks like he'd be a fairly handy Rugby League winger. Those shoulders would put you on your arse if they charged at you.
He has a similar build to Shaqiri, who also seems a little too heavy, and not quite as nimble as you'd want a winger to be, which is arguably what has held him back from his reaching potential. They're both in great shape obviously, but they'd be better if they were a little leaner.
I've always thought the "needs to bulk up" was BS anyway. Players are punished more often than not for out-muscling their opponent these days. Agility is a much more valuable asset.
He has a similar build to Shaqiri, who also seems a little too heavy, and not quite as nimble as you'd want a winger to be, which is arguably what has held him back from his reaching potential. They're both in great shape obviously, but they'd be better if they were a little leaner.
I've always thought the "needs to bulk up" was BS anyway. Players are punished more often than not for out-muscling their opponent these days. Agility is a much more valuable asset.
Remember Obertan? He was never going to be good enough for United, but once we bulked him up, he wasn't anything like what he was when he first came to United, even when playing with the reserves/u21s.
I try not to.
I said he was too stacked ages ago and got riduculed by cnuts on here.
Cnuts!
Cnuts!
Would love a goal and see the U-turn by some fans. He will provide so many knee-jerk reactions in the coming years.
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