[kopviolator]

Tries to much. Abililties in abundance but he has to pass the ball quicker

 

[ivaldo]

Fans here truly are unforgiving aren't they. We knew from the get go that he would be frustrating early on as all players in his mold are. He's show us moments of genuine quality and I'm happy with what he's produced so far. Can he improve? Absolutely but teams are afraid of him and his presence in the pitch opens space up for others. It'll come, he's got too much talent for it not to.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

No pace? Wow. He's actually very fast.

He's like Nani. Frustrating but talented and productive. He's gonna get better.

 

[Cerpin]

He's just very sloppy on the ball sometimes, which is incredibly frustrating. Hopefully, he'll kick on after that goal.

 

[Welbeckham]

Not nearly as talented as people make him out to be. His shooting, dribbling, passing and crossing have been miserable to watch so far. He of course has some talent, but he has yet to show anything of it against decent defences. Did well against Brugge but there was room for an elephant along the lines of that defence. I'm not saying he won't perform at some point, but his potential isn't that huge. The best players should play so I'd start Young ahead of him.

 

[Wade3]

To be honest, I think it's a bit weird that Depay is a first XI player already for Man United. Can you imagine him starting for Bayern, Real or Barca? In 2 years time, yes, but right now I don't feel he is good enough to be a regular starter.

The likes of Muller or Alaba were once thrown into the cold water. Coman is currently getting plenty of playing time with Bayern and is starting games. Martial is doing very well for us so far. There's still no better way to improve than to be thrown into the cold water, especially if you have to improve your decision making. He will be shown plenty of tape of his performances and eventually he will click and perform better.

In 2009/10, Pedro was a regular for one of the best Barca sides ever and he was only 22 at the time and is by no means a more talented player than Depay.

 

[JPRouve]

To be honest, I think it's a bit weird that Depay is a first XI player already for Man United. Can you imagine him starting for Bayern, Real or Barca? In 2 years time, yes, but right now I don't feel he is good enough to be a regular starter.

And at the moment we are not Barca, Bayern or Real.

 

[marjen]

Patience, young ones. This is a player alright. Needs time.

 

[Lawman]

Yep Depay should not be a starter but he is and that's not his fault but even when Nani first came there were glimpses that he could be a star. With Depay in the league he's looked out his depth imo. I think that will change but it strengthens the point he should not be a starter week in week out!

 

[Bloxy]

Whoa, do you all remember how frustrating Ronaldo was in that first season, with 4-5 stepovers followed by the wrong decision. This guy will come god and has to start games and giving him game time like SAF did with Ronaldo.

 

[NoPace]

And at the moment we are not Barca, Bayern or Real.

Also, which of our players aside from Shaw, Schweinsteiger, Smalling and De Gea get into those teams? Any?

 

[NoPace]

I disagree massively with the pessimists here. He's going to get 10-15 goals in all competition in his first year on the team, age 21, playing out wide. There are very few player in a top league in Europe, in their prime, that can do that. Last year in the Prem, for example, only Sanchez, Hazard and Chadli got over 8 goals playing exclusively out wide. I think Memphis gets there this season.

We can certainly deal with the giveaways and such while he's developing, as he's still going to score about 10 more than Young would. And who knows, he might even develop quickly and start creating for others, scoring more or playing better overall football.

After Shaw (assuming he recovers), De Gea if he stays and Martial, he's our most valuable player going forward, and 2 of the names I just mentioned have questions marks now.

 

[Laphroaig]

I disagree massively with the pessimists here. He's going to get 10-15 goals in all competition in his first year on the team, age 21, playing out wide. There are very few player in a top league in Europe, in their prime, that can do that. Last year in the Prem, for example, only Sanchez, Hazard and Chadli got over 8 goals playing exclusively out wide. I think Memphis gets there this season.

We can certainly deal with the giveaways and such while he's developing, as he's still going to score about 10 more than Young would. And who knows, he might even develop quickly and start creating for others, scoring more or playing better overall football.

This. And his potential is obvious and immense, yeah he was a bit shit today, but I want to see Martial and Memphis every single time. As fans we've had to watch some dire stuff for a very good while now, having two huge attacking talents out there suddenly makes us very exciting and fun for me. I can feel sorry for Ashley who deserves to be on the pitch, but he can have the left back spot while we're waiting for Shaw, because Memphis has to play.

 

[caid]

I think hes a good player but he annoys me a lot,
which i find a bit weird as i had endless patience for nani or ronaldo when he was younger and pretty inconsistent.

Sometimes he just looks kind of disinterested or something, I just want to slap him sometimes.
He really brings out my completely illogical fury.

 

[mariachi-19]

Also, which of our players aside from Shaw, Schweinsteiger, Smalling and De Gea get into those teams? Any?

Darmian, Carrick and at this rate probably martial. Carrick would be taking the absolute piss is most other leagues. The fact he's doing what he is at his age in the premier league is remarkable. Even scholes at Carricks age didn't do this.

 

[mattsville]

Has massive potential but he was incredibly frustrating today, could not get him off the pitch quick enough.

 

[GledTheRed]

Needs to lay off the weights, he's too stacked! It's affecting his mobility and agility.

 

[FC Ronaldo]

Ok he wasn't great but he scored and was always a threat to the opposition. Gets criticised.

Rooney has been horrendous all season but the ball bounces off him into the net and he plays diagonal passes to Valencia for days. Gets praised.

Have faith in the lad and settle yourselves down will you?

 

[Bwuk]

Needs to lay off the weights, he's too stacked! It's affecting his mobility and agility.

Just no. I'd be surprised if he was even 80kg. His athleticism is impressive partly because of his weight training.

Memphis is fine. 4 goals and 4 assists in 10 games is good all things considered. Can he and will be do better? Of course.

He should of either scored the second or squared it to Martial on the 2v1 situation.

 

[Red Shorts]

Yeahh, some people need to let loose in this thread a bit. As much as I respect Young for turning his career around at United, his end product isn't better than Memphis' is.

I hate to bring stats into this, but Memphis' goals and assists to the end of September is only 2 behind Young's for last season and this season combined. Yes, he is frustrating to watch most of the time, and he is still adapting to this league a lot. But through 3 or 4 poor decisions, he makes one and it can change the game completely.

The lad is only 21 for fecks sake, and one major reason he is getting a lot of shit is because he is being outshone by a 19 year old new signing, who has fitted in seamlessly. This guy is our future on the left, not Young; so why drop someone after he's got his first premier league goal, only to most likely make him start in 2/3 games when Young either gets swapped back or has to play in another position?

 

[gooDevil]

A little wasteful at times, but he's got goals in him. Very happy so far.

 

[acnumber9]

Eh? He skinned the right back on the outside about 4 times the first half. People see what they want to see I guess.

Really? By skinned do you mean got a couple of yards away from him before running back into traffic? People really do see what they want to see.

 

[acnumber9]

Yeahh, some people need to let loose in this thread a bit. As much as I respect Young for turning his career around at United, his end product isn't better than Memphis' is.

I hate to bring stats into this, but Memphis' goals and assists to the end of September is only 2 behind Young's for last season and this season combined. Yes, he is frustrating to watch most of the time, and he is still adapting to this league a lot. But through 3 or 4 poor decisions, he makes one and it can change the game completely.

The lad is only 21 for fecks sake, and one major reason he is getting a lot of shit is because he is being outshone by a 19 year old new signing, who has fitted in seamlessly. This guy is our future on the left, not Young; so why drop someone after he's got his first premier league goal, only to most likely make him start in 2/3 games when Young either gets swapped back or has to play in another position?

It's a team game and we currently look a better team with Young in it.

 

[acnumber9]

His first couple of years Ronaldo was called out as a one trick pony. He could beat a man at times but would run into a cul-de-sac on many other occasions. He was very inconsistent as a result. It was only after the 2006 WC that he kicked on. There are a lot of similarities between Depay and Ronaldo in that regard.

Ronaldo at 18 was better than Depay is now. He was constantly taking on his full back. Something Depay doesn't do anywhere near enough.

 

[wiz4231]

Really? By skinned do you mean got a couple of yards away from him before running back into traffic? People really do see what they want to see.

Had 2 players stuck on him all game, people see what they want to see.

 

[acnumber9]

Whoa, do you all remember how frustrating Ronaldo was in that first season, with 4-5 stepovers followed by the wrong decision. This guy will come god and has to start games and giving him game time like SAF did with Ronaldo.

Ronaldo was 18. And they aren't the same player so the comparison is pointless.

 

[acnumber9]

Had 2 players stuck on him all game, people see what they want to see.

Right. What's that got to do with what he actually did? The only goal created down our left flank was by Ashley Young beating a full back and actually getting a cross in. Not something Depay has done much of.

 

[Brightonian]

4 goals and 4 assists in 10 games, is that right? That strikes me as a very good start, and that's ignoring the moments of wonderful quality that he shows every match.

Consistency will come as he settles in. For a youngster new to the club and the league, he's well on track.

 

[Rich_H_1989]

Delighted for him that he scored today! He really needed that goal in the league and I hope he'll kick on now.

He's one of those players where he'll take a lot of flak from fans. He tries things and at times it doesn't come off. But he seems to dust himself off and go right back at it. You have to love that kind of player. It's much the same as Ronaldo and that will help him in the long run.

Memphis will get better as the season goes on and he'll benefit from the introduction of Martial too. Between the two they seem to have the makings of a promising partnership and martial will create space for Memphis to go at people more.

 

[Dion]

Ronaldo at 18 was better than Depay is now. He was constantly taking on his full back. Something Depay doesn't do anywhere near enough.

No he wasn't, it was only towards the end of his second season here where he really kicked on. Besides, Ronaldo is Ronaldo and not a fair marker to anyone. Depay has played 10 games in a new league, it's incredibly hard to judge exactly how good he is right now.

 

[NK86]

Ronaldo at 18 was better than Depay is now. He was constantly taking on his full back. Something Depay doesn't do anywhere near enough.

No he was not. Ronaldo at 18 was a very infuriating and inconsistent player. He was a one trick pony and although he beat his man many times, he did not have much end product. Not to mention that he didn't have two player glued to him all game and he was not first choice winger for us.

Don't let Ronaldo's current standards confuse you with what he was at 18.

 

[NoPace]

Darmian, Carrick and at this rate probably martial. Carrick would be taking the absolute piss is most other leagues. The fact he's doing what he is at his age in the premier league is remarkable. Even scholes at Carricks age didn't do this.

Darmian definitely isn't better than any Alaba, Lahm, Carvajal, Marcelo, Alba or Alves. Those are all excellent fullbacks.

Carrick is still quite a player but just not as good as Kroos or Busquets at this point. Carrick vs Alonso is a tougher one, admittedly, but I suspect Guardiola would prefer Alonso (picked him over playing Schweinsteiger in that role and using another CM) and that's not even considering Javi Martinez.

Martial over Lewandowski, Benzema or Suarez? I doubt it, although if he's a proper phenom I guess he could be cited as being ahead of Benzema.

In terms of our players good enough to basically walk into any team in the world I really do think it's just De Gea, Schweinsteiger, Smalling and Shaw. Hopefully Martial and Memphis join them soon. At their age, it's okay if it takes a couple years.

 

[suheilsworld]

Going to be patient with him. He is showing good signs, whether he ends up close to Nani or CR7 is his choice and how he develops. Signs are there that he is going to be great. Not helping him with teams doubling up on him. He needs to release the ball quickly to release that pressure from him.

 

[Sky1981]

Fans here truly are unforgiving aren't they. We knew from the get go that he would be frustrating early on as all players in his mold are. He's show us moments of genuine quality and I'm happy with what he's produced so far. Can he improve? Absolutely but teams are afraid of him and his presence in the pitch opens space up for others. It'll come, he's got too much talent for it not to.

We give him time. I forgive his shortcomings. But calling it as it is isnt condemnation. He just have to acknowledge the critics and built on ala ronaldo.

You keep it simple and take your chance when they least expected. With memphis it's almost like he needs to dribble inside 9 out of 10. His selfishness (if i can call it so) makes him very predictable and will become his weakness in a way defenders are prepared for it. He needs to mix things up to get the most out of his explosiveness.

And things he did will fail most of the time, doing it every matches will have a side effect of attracting monkeys on his back pretty fast.

 

[Shimo]

Wonder if he would have been subbed at half time were it not for the goal. Seemed to be in the cards for him - lots of good runs ending in poor decisions leading to ball loss. Won't do his confidence any harm though today's game that's for sure. Hope he does look back at games and notice he is really a head picked up here and there to making a lot bigger impact on games.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

I would rather see Ashley Young in his position. His general play is pretty awful and he loses the ball far far too much. Someone posted 26 times in one match for Holland recently. It is only his Dutch privilege keeping him in the the team at the moment IMO.

 

[Lawman]

Also, which of our players aside from Shaw, Schweinsteiger, Smalling and De Gea get into those teams? Any?

You have just named 4 of our players that would and arguably Darmain or another midfielder. So that's half the team! But yep they have more established blue chip players than us if that's what you are meaning and they are attackers where our attack has potential but not the game changers in. (Lewandoski/Robben/Ribbery/Muller)

 

[Moonred]

I would play him over Ashley Young every day of the week.

 

[Welbeckham]

No he was not. Ronaldo at 18 was a very infuriating and inconsistent player. He was a one trick pony and although he beat his man many times, he did not have much end product. Not to mention that he didn't have two player glued to him all game and he was not first choice winger for us.

Don't let Ronaldo's current standards confuse you with what he was at 18.

Ronaldo started several matches at 18, he was explosive with brilliant technique. Not only his one-on-ones, but also his crossing was way above that of Depay. Depay doesn't often have two men glued into him, his touch often let's him down which makes it seem like he doesn't have space. And his decisive passing has been dreadful.

 

[Borys]

Ashley Young has scored ten Premier League goals in just over four seasons at United. That's just over two a season. He's scored 13 in all competitions.

Depay has scored four and we're still in September. And people wonder why he's getting the nod ahead of Young?

We play a game that relies upon creating clear cut chances and finishing them off. On the whole, we struggle to create many openings. Our wide forwards are therefore under pressure to move between the defenders and finish well. Young, as threatening he can be, doesn't offer that in the way Depay does, and it's why Van Gaal will persist with him even in spite of a tough start to his league campaign.

Excellent manipulation, well done.

You said "we struggle to create many openings". I agree with that but shouldn't we chose those players who are more likely to create? In that case Young is miles ahead of Memphis.
We can also play with 2 sitting midfielders and 4 strikers like we did yesterday but I doubt that will be enough for teams better than Sunderland, which is vast majority of this league.