He got an assist last week technically (shot off the post before Mata). But 4 goals and 4 assists in all comps so far is very good, and that's really encouraging even if the performances are inconsistent. For the most part he's been decent, some very good, a couple of bad games, but people are overreacting I think. To be so productive at the start of his career here only bodes well for the future when he actually kicks on and his final ball becomes more consistent. Think he can definitely become someone who scores over 25 goals in all comps regularly. Might even get to 20 this season the way he's going.
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I think his talent is obvious but seems he couldn't make right decision most of the time
He's been good in Europe but generally a bit shit so far in the league. Not saying he's not talented, or won't make it here, I'm sure he will, but right now I don't really think he justifies his place in the side.
He's a far more frustrating player to watch than Nani was, and we know what his treatment was like on the Caf. Tough times ahead.
I don't think Young got a hard deal at all. Two seasons ago this site wanted him out like a cancer in the kidney. Last season he put in some terrific performances and people were saying different things. Memphis deserves his chance to prove himself regardless since his pedigree was solid. Ok...so it's not working out quite so well at the moment, unlike the younger Martial, but I understand why LVG persisted with him...giving him more time. That is all.
Martial's performances have probably been doing him no favours. We have to remember that what Martial has been doing at 19 is freakish (and he will probably go through a rough patch himself at some point). Memphis is struggling with decision making and composure mainly which could well be related to the pressure he's feeling as a young lad at United, trying to force things. I'd like to see him rotated for a little bit with Young and spend more time as an impact player off the bench. He's showed enough glimpses of quality to see that the talent is there and there is plenty of time ahead for him to come good.
If he scores the second goal, no one moans.
Had an OK game, just needs to improve his decision making. The reactions are way OTT though.
Had an OK game, just needs to improve his decision making. The reactions are way OTT though.
He is still trying to find his footing in the league but the signs of improvement are there, no doubt. A few unlucky moments from him but overall a good game I feel.
He always cuts back on his right foot and should just left it fly more often. A bit too much indecision at the moment but is understandable given his age. Will get better in time.
He's a young player, and with all our struggles the recent seasons creating opportunities, he sure knows how to find some.
His movement is excellent, his decision making has let him down but the potential should be there for all to see.
We know what Young brings to this side, a good link up with the full back and a few good crosses, but he's not a goal threat nor a regular on the assist charts.
Young is also 30, the potential to improve further is low, and he doesn't exactly run behind defences, same can be said with Mata and Rooney as a 10. So the 3 of them together behind the striker is a recipe for the slow ponderous football we all like to say goodbye to.
Let's persist with him, we'll reap the benefits soon enough.
His movement is excellent, his decision making has let him down but the potential should be there for all to see.
We know what Young brings to this side, a good link up with the full back and a few good crosses, but he's not a goal threat nor a regular on the assist charts.
Young is also 30, the potential to improve further is low, and he doesn't exactly run behind defences, same can be said with Mata and Rooney as a 10. So the 3 of them together behind the striker is a recipe for the slow ponderous football we all like to say goodbye to.
Let's persist with him, we'll reap the benefits soon enough.
From you that is.
Yes he's talented and has potential (blah blah...) but he's been crap in the league. There's absolutely no reason for him to continue to start games.
Young never deserved to get dropped and should be reinstated to the team.
I predict that opposing managers will figure out Martial...and he'll then have to adapt his game. Memphis is apparently falling over himself and easy to deal with. However...I reckon that is one or two seasons time, Memphis will be dynamite....just saying
Erm...Rooney?
He has turned his career around, yeah, credit to him for that. I understand why LVG has persisted with Memphis too, I even said it in my post but as of now, Young is the better player which is the only point I made.
It's ridiculous how people mention how productive he is compared to Young, despite today goal was his only contribution in the Premier League so far. You really should get the facts straight.
1 goal/assist every 539 minutes is hardly productive. But I don’t want to play that game.
My problem is he plays like a striker so we have 4 of them on the pitch and we struggle to create. That’s why I prefer Young at the moment. Memphis can get his share of minutes in Europe and as a sub, no need to play him every single game.
1 goal/assist every 539 minutes is hardly productive. But I don’t want to play that game.
My problem is he plays like a striker so we have 4 of them on the pitch and we struggle to create. That’s why I prefer Young at the moment. Memphis can get his share of minutes in Europe and as a sub, no need to play him every single game.
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Young getting a hard deal is just bollocks.
He doesn't score goals and seldom provides a moment of excellence that impacts heavily on a game. He works hard, is a reliable outlet, and will appear to be dangerous, but more often than not it's just posturing.
He's done well to revive his United career, but we owe him nothing. If and when he offers more goals and direct assists and he still finds himself sat on the bench, only then can we discuss his raw deal.
He doesn't score goals and seldom provides a moment of excellence that impacts heavily on a game. He works hard, is a reliable outlet, and will appear to be dangerous, but more often than not it's just posturing.
He's done well to revive his United career, but we owe him nothing. If and when he offers more goals and direct assists and he still finds himself sat on the bench, only then can we discuss his raw deal.
Frustrating performances so far from him but his talent is clear to see.
Still feel he would be better coming on as an impact sub for a few games against tired legs. Also Youngs performances also deserve a start IMO.
Still feel he would be better coming on as an impact sub for a few games against tired legs. Also Youngs performances also deserve a start IMO.
Why? Because he was deceivingly good when he came on to run at defenders with tired legs when we're winning the game and he's under no pressure?
well..I think you'll find that Young probably will start this week in the CL, which is probably why LVG rested him.
Because he's been better than Depay in the league. That's why.
He needs to be rotated. You can see him tiring, theres nothing wrong with him not starting matches so early into his career with us espeically with the way Young just gets on with business and is very direct. Nothing wrong with him coming on as sub to add pace. We need to be careful with him imo.
Ashley Young has scored ten Premier League goals in just over four seasons at United. That's just over two a season. He's scored 13 in all competitions.
Depay has scored four and we're still in September. And people wonder why he's getting the nod ahead of Young?
We play a game that relies upon creating clear cut chances and finishing them off. On the whole, we struggle to create many openings. Our wide forwards are therefore under pressure to move between the defenders and finish well. Young, as threatening he can be, doesn't offer that in the way Depay does, and it's why Van Gaal will persist with him even in spite of a tough start to his league campaign.
You can tell the talent is there, but he just needs to improve his decision making and confidence. No doubt he'll come good and start tearing people apart. However, going forward, I prefer to see Young starting and let Memphis come on (if need be) against a tired opposition.
There's always a reason why Young plays well, and it's never because he's actually a decent player. This week it's tired legs. There's a good few days to think of a handicap to credit Wolfsburg with if he also plays well in midweek.
He is no Ronaldinho but it isn't as if Memphis is ripping the league apart with goals/assists.
Can someone please explain this to me?
why would you replace Memphis for Young who came off the bench and plays okay against tired legs, while we're winning and under no pressure?
Is it to make it easier for him?
Isn't that what it was for Young?
What happens if Memphis plays well coming off the Bench?
Are we going to go around in circle with the pair of them?
Memphis starts -> doesn't have the best of game -> Young comes of the bench -> has a good cameo = Should start next game
Young starts -> doesn't have the best of game -> Memphis comes of the bench -> has a good cameo = Should start next game
Repeat.....
Which game? Starting or as a sub?
Justify a place in the squad.
But we're in a thread about Memphis and I was talking about Memphis.
Depay has been crap in the league. You can throw all the stats you want but I'd recommend using your eyes for better judgement. Not only has he been crap, he's been incredibly wasteful, barely beats his man and has missed several good chances.
Young has been better in the league so far in the limited time has and did not deserve to get dropped. I don't give a flying feck how poor Young was a few years ago. He's been in very good form since LVG has taken over and if not for his great form towards the end of last season we wouldn't be in the CL. So, yeah, Young didn't deserve to get dropped and unlike he hasn't played Brugge to have his fill of goal and assists.
Regardless, it's your post, that all people wanting him dropped are stupid, which was ridiculous. Keep that arrogant shit to yourself. Depay is a gret talent and he'll come good. But the lad need to be dropped now. If Jajuzaj had got half the chances he has...
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He's not, but to steal a phrase from our manager, it's a process. Last week he contributed heavily with a lovely touch to almost score against Southampton. He was inches away from scoring against Villa earlier on in the season (which is another example of the movement he offers the team). And now he's scored today and should have scored another if not for a poor finish.
Depay is a goalscorer, and I think he gives Van Gaal, amongst others, some comfort in that he's going to hit the net quite regularly. It's why he's playing so much and it's why he's already seen more clear cut chances here at United than Young has in four years.
Ultimately, playing Young ahead of him reduces the likelihood of scoring goals.
He's not, but to steal a phrase from our manager, it's a process. Last week he contributed heavily with a lovely touch to almost score against Southampton. He was inches away from scoring against Villa earlier on in the season (which is another example of the movement he offers the team). And now he's scored today and should have scored another if not for a poor finish.
Depay is a goalscorer, and I think he gives Van Gaal, amongst others, some comfort in that he's going to hit the net quite regularly. It's why he's playing so much and it's why he's already seen more clear cut chances here at United than Young has in four years.
Ultimately, playing Young ahead of him reduces the likelihood of scoring goals.
Played much better today than normally, probably should have had 2 goals but at least he penetrated the defense more and wasn't always stuck in the left wing position.
There is no way Memphis should be dropped for Young (unless for rest). He needs all the support and patience from supporters to grow.
I think the argument is fairly stupid, yes, because playing Young ahead of Depay reduces the likelihood of the team scoring goals. And that's what it's all about in the end.
Young has been in good form relative to his abilities and limitations. His level of good isn't good enough as far as I'm concerned and I said as much last season.
I generally disagree with you on Depay regarding his league form. He's been nowhere near as poor as you, and others, are indicating. His movement is genuinely brilliant, and while not as obvious to the eye, has already helped the team so far this season.
One question, if we were to start Young out left regularly for the remainder of the season do you think he would get into double figures? I think he'd be lucky to hit five.
Jesus there's some amount of nonsense written at times.
He's a young wide attacker who plays in a style that's going to see risk taking. He's playing his first few games in a new league, known for being a tough environment for those kind of players to get used to.
He's bagged a few goals, assists and shown enough glimpses to see he's going to be a top player. He's learning in every game and will get better and better. Give the guy a chance and if you're really in doubt, try and get your hands on some games from Ronaldo's first season at the club, or some of Robben's early stuff.
He's a young wide attacker who plays in a style that's going to see risk taking. He's playing his first few games in a new league, known for being a tough environment for those kind of players to get used to.
He's bagged a few goals, assists and shown enough glimpses to see he's going to be a top player. He's learning in every game and will get better and better. Give the guy a chance and if you're really in doubt, try and get your hands on some games from Ronaldo's first season at the club, or some of Robben's early stuff.
This is absolute nonsense. Memphis is a very unpredictable player at the moment. He is still getting used to the league and it's pace. Ridiculous to say he should be dropped.
He had a lot of nice tricks and flicks which were fun to watch and although he is lacking the final ball at the moment, he is not playing badly. Just looks a bit lazy on the ball. He needs to play. Januzaj, has been given opportunists. You need to stop comparing.
Memphis and Martial are learning to form an understanding with each other. No way in hell should he be dropped. Young is a very resource too come in the second half and shake things up like he did today.
I just think he'd do better against tired legs and tired minds and typically there's more space/ time towards the end of the match. Should lead to more confidence and hopefully he'd build on that and be able to dominate matches from the first minute.
In an attempt not to be compared to a certain mad winger I have avoided this thread for a while. I had hoped Memphis would've done better in his early time here, but he hasn't been great yet and only shown glimpses of what he can do. I still have no worries that he will turn out good though, at PSV he's also had alot of frustrating games where he would make the wrong decision more often than the right one. That has never stopped him before, he would still score in games he was completely useless otherwise as he doesn't give up easily and 1 moment is enough. Reading his body language (just because others do it aswell 
) is near impossible, he will be pissed off at every chance he fluffs and he rarely takes it too far that it affects his performances. He has done that a few times though (usually during a dry spell at PSV), hopefully his goal today will prevent that.
I think a reason why he's struggling is obviously the league and a new team which he needs to adapt to (being doubled up on aswell), but also his position oddly enough. Even though he played all his matches as LW at PSV, in his last year he would rarely stay there. Jetro Willems had a great understanding with him and has a perfect cross with both feet, he would at times play as LW when Memphis was roaming (which he was allowed to). PSV were also a team that are great on the counter with rapid players like Narsingh and Wijnaldum, Memphis wasn't the only fast player and neither was he the one to keep the width as Narsingh is a traditional winger. With Mata on the right Memphis has to play a bit more like a traditional winger (for the benefit of the team) and not roam everywhere he wishes like he could at PSV. He has to play a bit different than how he did last year and revert to his older days.
The years before the WC Memphis was extremely selfish and would always try to take his man on at LW, succesfull or not. In his last year he improved his overall game so much that he could do much more than that, he didn't rely on purely pace/trickery but also his passing and vision. He became a team player and when he didn't think he could beat what's in front of him/sees a teammate he would pass. I think his transformation into a complete player (he really changed alot in 1 year) makes him a much bigger talent but it probably also means his decision making (imo his only real weakness) will take longer to improve. He now needs to take that skillset and use it on the LW more than in central area's like he did at PSV. I have to say I am impressed with his defensive workrate so far, he rarely defended in his short carreer pre MUFC.
I'm sure he will do well in the future, but for now he still is frustrating.
) is near impossible, he will be pissed off at every chance he fluffs and he rarely takes it too far that it affects his performances. He has done that a few times though (usually during a dry spell at PSV), hopefully his goal today will prevent that.I think a reason why he's struggling is obviously the league and a new team which he needs to adapt to (being doubled up on aswell), but also his position oddly enough. Even though he played all his matches as LW at PSV, in his last year he would rarely stay there. Jetro Willems had a great understanding with him and has a perfect cross with both feet, he would at times play as LW when Memphis was roaming (which he was allowed to). PSV were also a team that are great on the counter with rapid players like Narsingh and Wijnaldum, Memphis wasn't the only fast player and neither was he the one to keep the width as Narsingh is a traditional winger. With Mata on the right Memphis has to play a bit more like a traditional winger (for the benefit of the team) and not roam everywhere he wishes like he could at PSV. He has to play a bit different than how he did last year and revert to his older days.
The years before the WC Memphis was extremely selfish and would always try to take his man on at LW, succesfull or not. In his last year he improved his overall game so much that he could do much more than that, he didn't rely on purely pace/trickery but also his passing and vision. He became a team player and when he didn't think he could beat what's in front of him/sees a teammate he would pass. I think his transformation into a complete player (he really changed alot in 1 year) makes him a much bigger talent but it probably also means his decision making (imo his only real weakness) will take longer to improve. He now needs to take that skillset and use it on the LW more than in central area's like he did at PSV. I have to say I am impressed with his defensive workrate so far, he rarely defended in his short carreer pre MUFC.
I'm sure he will do well in the future, but for now he still is frustrating.
You should have started with that. You don't rate Young and nothing will change your mind, not even actual performances on the pitch which so far in the league have been better than Depay.
For all your bigging up of Depay, all he has to show for it is 1 tap in.
You say it's nonsense and all you can come up with is how he lacks the final ball, is lazy and has flicks and tricks which are "fun to watch". Not nonsense after in that case.
Januzaj never got such chances, nowhere near. In fact he only ever started more than 3 games on the trot once under Van Gaal which says a lot.
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