Memphis needs to learn to cope with adversity. I don't think he was terrible first half. However, what I did notice was that he again he faded after a decent start. It was similar against Newcastle and Villa. Memphis will skin his man once or twice but then he'll put in a bad cross or something, and then his whole game will fall to bits. He's a real confidence player. Unlike Ronaldo who will take 12 shots to score once, Memphis will try to show something three or four times and if it doesn't happen for him he'll retreat a bit. If next game he scores early or creates an early goal he'll be brilliant. My worry is, if he doesn't he'll fall away again.
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He is struggling with the level badly. I must admit I'm one of those that needs convincing about him.
Looks like he wants to prove himself to much and plays with high shoulders. Hope he gets his prem goal soon so he can calm down. The talent is there, but hes not getting it out
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In one respect his Attitude is great in the way he wants to be the best in the world, but his on the pitch attitude isn't good enough. He just acts like he is the best player in the world and doesn't try enough.
Shouldn't we be looking to play him as a striker? Scored a lot of goals in Holland. We need a backup striker other than Fellaini.
Memphis and Martial both need to be brought along gradually. Good on LvG for using Young today and hope he does it more often to take a bit of pressure off.
Don't think he's great in close space. He seems to take time making decisions, not a perfect thing to do while playing at 10 or 9.
To be expected he'll be up and down initially. Will be the same with Martial.
Hopefully the consistency will come with age and experience.
Hopefully the consistency will come with age and experience.
Definitely correct, it was more of an emotional overreaction if anything. I rate them both highly, I still think Memphis has a pretty high ceiling, he's just struggling in terms of adapting to the new league while Martial has basically had the perfect opportunity delivered to him to shine and he took it.
Apart from the overall refinement to his game which will take time, Memphis needs a few good performances in the PL to up his confidence.
I'd like to see him play more as a team player though. Sometimes I feel like he's functioning in complete isolation.
I think over time we'll see that Martial is still pretty raw as well. The opportunity to just go at the defender was never there for Memphis tonight. Whenever he had the ball on the wing, there were two guys covering him and Clyne did an outstanding job of limiting him. Nonetheless, as you said, he has to learn to be more of a team player and take advantage of all the attention he's getting. I was disappointed that he didn't look to move around more off the ball, which in my opinion is one of the aspects he really needs to improve.
Can't rush judgement on this kid. He's only 21 making the jump from the Dutch league to the EPL. There's going to be frustrating days like this and flashes of his brilliance and potential like what we saw against Club Brugge.
It's his choices that let him down.
He got clattered by Lovren I think when the referee didn't give him anything. Looked worth a yellow from my seat.
Abit rubbish today. Looked overawed by the occasion as he seemed to be rushing things or being overly ambitious.
Not a problem, he will have ebbs and flows: but with the reduced squad size, he will get plenty of game time, and Im 100% convinced his talent will quickly shine.
Not a problem, he will have ebbs and flows: but with the reduced squad size, he will get plenty of game time, and Im 100% convinced his talent will quickly shine.
He looks raw technically.
I'd prefer him to be rotated with Peirrara in that position to be honest
He's trying to do too much. Having shots on goal when he has no chance of scoring, holding on to the ball for too long and making the wrong choice when he actually does decide to pass the ball. I'm sure with time he will grow out of this, we have seen it with other players at the club past and present.
Very raw. When he's dribb, it looks like he's doing it by luck, like he's not under control. Similar but nowhere near as bad as Zaha. When it comes to wingers p, I think we are very short on quality.
Yeah can't wait to see Pereira. Who I think is a much better dribbler.
Pereira was great in preseason. Is he injured or something?
My biggest worry from the day we signed him. He seems much more confident when running with the ball at speed, but his close control is rather poor.
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Bad today, but days like this are bout to happen, need patience with him.
His head drops too easily at the moment. Get that sorted, and a bit better decision making, and he'll be great.
His head drops too easily at the moment. Get that sorted, and a bit better decision making, and he'll be great.
from the other thread "what hate?..."He looks mentally drained, I am surprised he's logged so many minutes, especially with the credit Young built up going into this season. Needs a couple of games rest.
Some people are far too knee-jerk. Saying guff like he has no pace, can't dribble or has no technique... His displays in Holland and in Europe for us show what he can do, and he will prove it.
He's young and the sensible amongst us knew that he would take a season to adapt, and his performances thus far have offered a glimpse of his potential. For comparison, take a look at the initial performances of Hazard at Chelsea, who came in at a similar age. It took him the best part of 6 months before he started playing towards his optimum level, and the least Depay deserves is a similar amount of slack cut for himself.
He's young and the sensible amongst us knew that he would take a season to adapt, and his performances thus far have offered a glimpse of his potential. For comparison, take a look at the initial performances of Hazard at Chelsea, who came in at a similar age. It took him the best part of 6 months before he started playing towards his optimum level, and the least Depay deserves is a similar amount of slack cut for himself.
Massive overreaction on here. He was poor today and has generally struggled to impress in the league but he has already shown glimpses of what he is about and I have no doubt that he has all the tools to become a very important player for us. Few 21-year old wingers coming to a new league would be able to be consistently good. It's only 5 games!
I for one hope he will be trusted by LvG.
I for one hope he will be trusted by LvG.
He needs rest. Hes 21 coming into a new league, and yet we have played him pretty much every minute of this season, were going to burn him out. Hes had like 7 games in 25 days or something nuts like that. And its like we are relying solely on him to inject pace.
Also think he will be more suited to CL games this season but will adapt long term.
Also think he will be more suited to CL games this season but will adapt long term.
Good idea to take him off Young, wasn't exactly with it today. Too hesitant I think, he really didn't mix it up at all, kept looking to go out wide when he's so strong coming inside. I assume it was probably an instruction to make the most of Fellaini
I thought he looked worryingly slow today. In fact he looked well off the pace of the whole game, wouldn't be surprised if he was carrying a knock or is just tired from all the games he's played.
I think he needs a rest, and in all honesty, he doesn't deserve to be starting ahead of Young right now.
I think he needs a rest, and in all honesty, he doesn't deserve to be starting ahead of Young right now.
It also needs to be said, he's not a very good dribbler. Which is a big worry for a winger, especially when the guy on the other flank is Mata, who's even worse.
I wouldn't say he's a poor dribbler. He was dribbling well vs Newcastle a while back.
But I don't think he's a great dribbler especially in tight spaces from what I've seen. I must admit that I did think he was a bit better in that regard. Let's not forget he's only 21 and it's his 1st season in the Prem. Some players take time to adjust. Young should play midweek vs PSV though imo.
But I don't think he's a great dribbler especially in tight spaces from what I've seen. I must admit that I did think he was a bit better in that regard. Let's not forget he's only 21 and it's his 1st season in the Prem. Some players take time to adjust. Young should play midweek vs PSV though imo.
He's more of a Bale then a Neymar (style wise) when it comes to dribbling. Pace and Power rather then touch and technique.
Agreed.
Lost the ball 21 times and despite getting no calls is still begging for fouls & free kicks rather than hustling to retrieve balls he loses. The change when Young came on - direct running and tracking back - neither of which Depay has even tried to do...
He has all the necessary skill and physique but mentally he isn't close at the moment. I don't want to guess but the way he expects a free kick every time he loses the ball it's almost like he thinks he's made it... that or he got it easy when he was in holland.
Still he's very young, inexperienced, new to the league etc but an attitude change will serve him well - Martial showed more fight than he has so far in that little cameo when he stood up to Lovren's challenge.
Definitely think he should be used as an impact sub until he adapts. Young earned his place last year and on today's performance to start the next match.
Give him a year with less pressure than starting every game, time to adapt and see what application is needed to become a starter and we should see better displays.
He has all the necessary skill and physique but mentally he isn't close at the moment. I don't want to guess but the way he expects a free kick every time he loses the ball it's almost like he thinks he's made it... that or he got it easy when he was in holland.
Still he's very young, inexperienced, new to the league etc but an attitude change will serve him well - Martial showed more fight than he has so far in that little cameo when he stood up to Lovren's challenge.
Definitely think he should be used as an impact sub until he adapts. Young earned his place last year and on today's performance to start the next match.
Give him a year with less pressure than starting every game, time to adapt and see what application is needed to become a starter and we should see better displays.
An off game for him. Needs to get his head in the game and perform week in week out.
I think you are spot on with his assessment. He seems to sometimes take it over himself too much to stand out rather than play as a team player and in games when things don't go his way usually looks bereft of ideas and creativity. He's not the Messi/Robben type of dribbler though, more like Bale type who takes the ball into the space utilizing his pace. He seems indecisive in close space and usually resorts to beating his man via pace rather than doing anything extravagant and when he has someone to match him for pace like Clyne, he clearly struggles. Perhaps LvG is aware of this as well as he tried to play him in number 10 positions where he'd have more chance to practice close control and quick decision makings. As of now, he is still very much a work in progress and need to improve massively to hit the heights he himself, us fans and the club expect him to hit.
For sure. I've always said that we will see a lot of up and down performances from the two of them. Sometimes they might even be in and out of the side. They're kids after all.
He's young and has so much time to develop a better decision making. I'm not worried about him, his substitution will make him a better player in the long term.
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