I believe this is what the kids call "based".
Film Megalopolis | Francis Ford Coppolla | Adam Driver
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Its high conceptual , somewhat entertaining, rubbish.
Though its not the worst film I've seen this year
Though its not the worst film I've seen this year
Deadpool and Wolverine
I'm surprised he's even arsed about the Razzies, the man made The Godfather for fecks sake
Cristiano Ronaldo has won Premier Leagues, Champions Leagues, Balón D'ors but still gets pissy if he didn't score in a Saudi league match for 4th place
Do you reckon he's SIUUUUUing at home in front of a mirror with his Oscars?
Will he turn up though?
Director - creates one of the biggest piles of shite ever made.
RedCafe - omg king so amazing
RedCafe - omg king so amazing
It's all about that age old debate separating art from the artist, isn't it?
Have you finally watched it?
More people need to see Driver brilliant performance in Annette.
I have. I think it's a pile of shite in all honesty. And no amount of Coppola being smug on social media telling folk that they "just don't get it" is going to make me think it's anything else.It's all about that age old debate separating art from the artist, isn't it?
Have you finally watched it?
I will point out, however, that I watched a few hours of SpongeBob Squarepants beforehand so maybe my standards were already set too high.
I wonder what that man thinks about some of the stuff his nephew is churning out on a regular basis.
Moving the conversation to this thread out of respect for Hackman. But for all of Cage's flaws at least he isn't a pretentious cnut like his uncle. If anyone has a problem with this they can go back to the cluuuuuub
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Tbh pretentiousness is a lazy criticism. On a basic level every good artist is pretentious because they are creating something about society and then sharing with the world.
Veroheven retold the Jesus story with Robocop. David Lynch calls his film about a baby worm his most spiritual work. Chantal Akerman at the age of 25 made a 3 hour film about housework. And at end of The Great Dictator Charlie Chaplin essentially breaks the 4th wall and pleads with mankind to unite for a better world.
All these things could be labelled as “pretentious”. People should criticise the ideas in Megalopolis rather than the fact the film has ideas.
Veroheven retold the Jesus story with Robocop. David Lynch calls his film about a baby worm his most spiritual work. Chantal Akerman at the age of 25 made a 3 hour film about housework. And at end of The Great Dictator Charlie Chaplin essentially breaks the 4th wall and pleads with mankind to unite for a better world.
All these things could be labelled as “pretentious”. People should criticise the ideas in Megalopolis rather than the fact the film has ideas.
The ideas in Megalopolis were shite.
I'm criticising the fact that Coppola's response to negativity is to claim that said critics just don't understand his art. It's that fart sniffing posing that, funnily enough, seems to waft through this thread as well!
You just called it shite without explain why and also the razzies are notorious for nominating good films(Which explains Coppola response).
I doubt Megalopolis will be seen in the future as a great film although it’s probably is too early to say.
I find that it insists upon itself
That's... Not really what he's doing.
It absolutely will not be seen as a great film. Unless what constitutes a great film drastically would change.
Are Razzie's really notorious for that? I'd say they rather nominate bad movies that also are high profile. Looking back over the last 20 years of worst film nominees there's not really many, if any, good films in there. I know they nominated some good films in the early days, but that doesn't really happen anymore.
Regarding what he said in response to the Razzie noms, I don't really think it's far fetched to read that he thinks in an industry where everyone plays it safe with no risks a movie [MEGALOPOLIS] that takes said risks would perhaps be harshly judged exactly because of that. And that certainly can be seen as pretentious. Unfortunately his film has been harshly judged because it's crap.
Typo!!!! Yikes
The ideas are mostly really pat boomer great man bullshit though combined with the most vague revolutionary/philanthropic themes imaginable. It doesn’t really mean anything and is a weird hodgepodge of smoothbrained politics and sixth form poetry and even the design ideas are like if modern era Alex Proyas did Romeo + Juliet
It was fun because it was camp and didn’t care about convention but I’m convinced you & RiP are just doing an elaborate contrarian bit. It was excruciatingly dumb
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The Razzies need to die. Very few people set out to make a terrible movie. The Razzies were intended to take a pompous person down a few pegs, but they generally punch down. In Megalopolisodon’s case, the man pissed away the majority of his fortune, and that’s probably more what he’s reacting to: he’d rather fail miserably on his own terms than succeed as your dancing monkey. There is some massive hubris to blow $120 million on a vanity project, when people have shown this year what you can do with $10 million. He could have nurtured 12 new talents/voices with that amount.
And there’s no way this is worse than Babylon.
Heaven’s Gate is the only “flop” I can think of that retroactively was recognized as a brilliant film.
And there’s no way this is worse than Babylon.
Heaven’s Gate is the only “flop” I can think of that retroactively was recognized as a brilliant film.
yup. even the "message" can't save it, and the only fun to be had was the bizarre execution and the mismatch between ambition and result.
Coppola is the Ruben Amorim of the film world.
His most imaginative idea of a new utopian city was basically “wet golden travelators,”
Did you say boomer great man of history mixed vague revolutionary themes….
Tbh the film ends with Cicero asking Cesar to build a better future for the younger generation. So it’s a 100% anti boomer film.
The politics are incoherent because Coopla is a lib who seems to genuinely believe in the power of ideas. The great debate will override the class forces which as a commie I think is silly but I respect that Coppla is at least willing to show people he believes it! I’ll favour Coppla incorrect but earnest view of the world over the self aware/self referencing dog shit of modern blockbuster cinema.
And cinema should be a giant canvas for putting all sorts of contradictions and incoherent ideas onto. To steal the Herzog quote - “Film is not the art of scholars but of illiterates.”
So watching a great director self fund a bizarre project all about trying to understand David Graeber was interesting to me. Plus the added boner arrows!
Also it’s worth pointing out in 2025 “billionaire” Donald Trump won the popular vote and and human rights lawyer Kier Starmer is taking part in a genocide. The world is currently a incredible dumb place. If Megalopolis had a coherent set of politics it would have been an even stranger film.
My official stance is still it’s the best worst film I’ve ever seen.
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I’ll give you the boner arrows and all of Aubrey Plaza’s scenes in truth but will not convince that slippery golden travelator utopia is the vision of a man with anything interestingly transgressive to say
Why is Bernie doing the Musk Roman salute?Did you say boomer great man of history mixed vague revolutionary themes….
Tbh the film ends with Cicero asking Cesar to build a better future for the younger generation. So it’s a 100% anti boomer film.
The politics are incoherent because Coopla is a lib who seems to genuinely believe in the power of ideas. The great debate will override the class forces which as a commie I think is silly but I respect that Coppla is at least willing to show people he believes it! I’ll favour Coppla incorrect but earnest view of the world over the self aware/self referencing dog shit of modern blockbuster cinema.
And cinema should be a giant canvas for putting all sorts of contradictions and incoherent ideas onto. To steal the Herzog quote - “Film is not the art of scholars but of illiterates.”
So watching a great director self fund a bizarre project all about trying to understand David Graeber was interesting to me. Plus the added boner arrows!
Also it’s worth pointing out in 2025 “billionaire” Donald Trump won the popular vote and and human rights lawyer Kier Starmer is taking part in a genocide. The world is currently a incredible dumb place. If Megalopolis had a coherent set of politics it would have been an even stranger film.
My official stance is still it’s the best worst film I’ve ever seen.
Autism.
I mean, I'm not, I've laid out quite clearly what I think of the film and don't think I have to go over it again. I think I'm quite earnest in most of the things I write about films in general.