What yesteryear squad player comparison is McT?
Blomqvist? Phil Neville? Butt?
Blomqvist? Phil Neville? Butt?
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Darren Gibson
They were all effective in their positions, with Neville performing to a high standard in various roles.
Even when utilised in a effective manner, I still think McTom has drawbacks in a way.
I think would be Fellaini a good comparison but then I think even he was more tactically actute.
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Could argue Gibson was a better passer but, yeah, otherwise a decent comparison.
Harsh on McT, I think squads need these players. The cafe would have screamed out using John O'Shea etc but because we were winning it was OK. He's not starter level but he is an option off the bench occassionally. A 20 appearances a season guy (not starts)
It's damn hard to think of a midfielder for United who has chipped in with goals but very little else - he has very little hope of his skill wheel ever looking at all like a wheel.
The Gibson suggestion will be hard to beat.
Gibson had about 11 weeks of relevancy. McT played under Mourinho
We had standards back then.
Sheasy was a versatile player but unlike McT, could play LB, RB, CB, DM even GK. So it's harsh on O'Shea.
He didn't get much game time at all, but McT reminds me a lot of Nick Powell. He had a pretty good strike rate for the amount he played for us
He is a reliable squad player, academy graduate, he made some wonders coming from the bench, mostly gives his everything when called upon.So if it was up to me, I would keep him.
I'd say McT can play (not well) three positions, CB (emergency), CM, #10/#9 target man.
I am happy to sell him but he's an alright squad player, he's not Alex Buttner
McT at CB? That's the stuff of nightmares. Even ETH preferred Casemiro as an emergency cb and he's a good few inches shorter.
There are probably loads of players, but none who have been given as much time as McT to prove they simply weren't good enough.
Do you lot not remember what John O'Shea did to Figo?!
Hit the nail on the head there.
To be fair to mcTomminay he does have some uses:
1) very rarely injured
2) pops up with a goal every now and then
3) hide and seek champion
We need to improve the squad and he has some value. Time to ship out, because if we leave it another year we will never get any sale for him.
Ironically it was his work rate that got him into the side.
I think the question is more, who's rating Smith-Rowe at the age of 23 after his last 2 non-existent seasons? I don't think anybody thinks in their heart of hearts that McT is worth more than £20-30m but how you could spend £35m on Smith-Rowe is beyond me. Unless perhaps it's all contingent on appearances and goals or something with feck all up front.
I think it was only a perception of work rate. The amount of goals we've conceded with him just jogging back instead of running to cover space is quite indicative.
Really? In his breakthrough season he scored quite a few and everyone was picking him for their FF teams, then he got injured again
Fellaini. But much worse
He's another player like Wan Bissaka. Not good enough to be a starter and someone that we should be improving on, but maybe not right now.
Both should be squad options. With Wan Bissaka I rate him as a good backup to Dalot and think RB is the least of our problems.
The McTominay situation is different. Apart from Mainoo I don't rate any of our other options as the required standard for a starter, and I believe McTominay would be more suited to a diminished role than Casemiro.
Both should be squad options. With Wan Bissaka I rate him as a good backup to Dalot and think RB is the least of our problems.
The McTominay situation is different. Apart from Mainoo I don't rate any of our other options as the required standard for a starter, and I believe McTominay would be more suited to a diminished role than Casemiro.
Sounds brutal and know I will get hammered but wouldn't be sad to see him or Rashford go
He is leagues below the likes of O'Shea - He is more in line with Cleverley.
Debatable. Every player was world class under that great old man. I could imagine McT as a key player under SAF and I also could imagine a poor player in Oshea under any manager post SAF era.
Kieran Richardson or Quinton Fortune.
Yeah, O'Shea was exceptionally limited and I love him as a player. It was the magic of SAF
Same.
My thoughts from last season's squad is that Fernandes, Martinez, Garnacho and Mainoo are unsellable. Anyone else could go and I wouldn't be that upset.
O'Shea wasn't exceptionally limited that's why in spite of the fact that he was a CB with mainly CB physical and technical attributes he was also an average fullback and CM. I think that I get why you used to term limited(a focus on technique and athleticism) but it's wrong, his tactical abilities allowed him to be less limited than most players. Most players have one role and that's it, if you use them differently their level of performance plummets but that wasn't the case for O'Shea.
People keep saying he's great to bring on when we're chasing a game, and he's scored a few point-saving goals etc. But wouldn't it be better to take the £20m or so we could get for him, and use that as part investment in a midfielder that can help us not be in the position where we need to be chasing games in the last few minutes? We desperately need a new DM, and if selling McTominay can help us get one, I'm all for risking losing his last minute game saving goals as hopefully they won't be needed anymore.
Yeah couldn't have put it any better
He's a player with the physicality, right attitude, work rate and you can see he's a true fan of Man Utd, he's useful when chasing a goal and last season it was proven.
His stock is high right now, or as high as it can be, after scoring so many goals so I think this is the right time to sell him. As much as I praised him for all the mentioned above he's not up to the standard, he offers very little in midfield. If we can get 20-25M for him we should take them.
His stock is high right now, or as high as it can be, after scoring so many goals so I think this is the right time to sell him. As much as I praised him for all the mentioned above he's not up to the standard, he offers very little in midfield. If we can get 20-25M for him we should take them.
For a lower league club wouldn't 30-40m be worth it if he inevitably scores some key goals and earns an extra 10 points or so? It could be the difference between staying up or relegation.
It's not the replacement part I have a problem with, it's the shite fees we've been offered for him.
Missed 14 games through injury last year and 14 games the year before that and 10 the year before - We absolutely need to move him on, people say he might be poor at passing but he's physical! He won under 46% of his duels last season and averaged the least touches, all he is good for is running into the box last minute and getting a few goals and top clubs don't need that player.
He needs to go, if the club is unwilling to commit giving him a new contract he should leave.
We were offered £30m last summer and now he has a year less on his contract, we're not going to get anyone offering that price again. I think £20m, maybe plus some add-ons (for avoiding relegation?), is about all we can realistically hope for, the most we've been offered so far is £17m which we rightly rejected, but I doubt we'll get a lot more than that.
I think playing O'Shea in midfield was/is the counter argument to your point. He was exceptionally limited, those games he didn't offer anything other than basic cover.
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