More than normal, of course. But this low?
Mayweather v Pacquiao (2 May 2015) | NO requesting streams/rivers etc in this thread
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Well Foreman was the champion and the number one fighter in the world, Ali had no other option.
Ali would fight anyonr though, unfortunately as witnessed by some fights he really shouldn't have taken later on his career
Don't really get why people are directly comparing Mayweather to heavyweights in terms of style as if they're supposed to be like for like either. I wouldn't mind but I'm fairly sure that kind of difference in weight division happens in things like UFC too. People don't expect the likes of Demetrious Johnson to fight like a heavier weight, do they?
That was god awful. Very underwhelming to say the least. I think ill stick to MMA.
Nah, we all know the difference but when you pay money for tickets, PPV or even normal sports subscription you don't wanna be seeing too many Mayweathers, Klitchko and Wards do ya. And when people list their favourite boxers and fights of all time it reflects that. What made Calzaghe v Lacy special, Kessler v Froch, Groves v Froch or Tyson fights, Naz and some of David Hayes. People still bang on about Eubank and Benn now. We all know what Mayweather does but it is suprsing how he does such big tv numbers as he keeps saying, most probably just wanna see him get beaten and don't know about internet streams!
Exactly, best bits came from Manny, those bits which got the crowd going but as many have said, Mayweather doesn't do fights like that.
Where are the UFC stars? Hit n running, fighting with Captain America, caught doping on a comeback after caught for his own sillyness in ring, or just working 20 days a year in the WWE or well CM Punk. Even Ronda was last seen in a WWE ring. #LongLiveWWE
This fight man, WOAT. Felt fake to me and that's obviously the worst part....if it's not GGG or insanely, yeah I'm gonna say it, Amir Khan since he's at his peak age with his speed(Manny was slow as feck), I ain't downloading Floyds farewell tour fights.
GGG and his promoter been calling out Froch for years, and Hearn has admitted that he doesn't want the fight until it's PPV in the US.
Thought it was a poor fight personally, not buying the Souness/Hansen defense (drudgery = incomprehensible genius but for the most astute of followers). Floyd was too good, too big and too comfortable. Manny too old and troubled by too many fighters in the last few years to pose a serious threat. For all Manny's likeability as a person and a fighter the fight never really measured up that well for him, what with Mayweather's style and talent. 5 years ago it would have been a better fight, but same outcome.
I didn't think it was a masterclass, I don't think it had to be. Reckon Khan would be made to look more foolish than the time he was put down by Lemon Willy.
I didn't think it was a masterclass, I don't think it had to be. Reckon Khan would be made to look more foolish than the time he was put down by Lemon Willy.
Such as what? A couple of punches landed but he never troubled Mayweather once, he blocked everything. The crowd was excited but thats what it's always like at boxing. The atmosphere and alcohol mess with peoples perception somewhat. I'd imagine if the fight was shown in silence none of them punche would seem as impressive.
Mayweather can be dull to watch and did defend but then it's up to Pacquiao to out think him, him or his corner weren't capable of doing that and in reality were no where near.
To be honest, I wanted to listen in on Pac's corner to see what they were telling him, but we didn't get the chance.
Also, I see Oscar is still bitter.
They did a close up of a Manny left hook in the fourth that caught Floyd and Floyd saw it seemed Floyd saw it from so far back he kind of closed his eyes to wince when the split millisecond that Manny wound his left hand up. You could almost see Floyd think "it's going to catch me and I can't duck this one. Get ready for it face... "
But this was the biggest hyped fight and one that took years to make and it wasn't even that good. One of the best we've seen was George Groves who was much lesser known and not as many fights under his belt against Carl Froch, that made serious waves in boxing and generated a rematch at Wembley Stadium. Its not always about profile of the boxer. There's plenty of top fighters and fights left after Pac and Mayweather go.
UFC is rubbish IMO, isn't there a thread for that somewhere else? Funny you talk about "stars" though, doubt many in the UK could reel off a list of names from that sport.
GGG said recently he wouldn't take that fight? Maybe that's Ward I'm thinking he was talking about.
Only UFC guy I know is this John Jones? That's because he's been a dumb prick recently. I knew Kimbo Slice from some YouTube videos and the rest are WWE fighters
Aye, it was a pretty poor fight as Mayweather was comfortably the better fighter and Pac wasn't able to do enough to make it particularly interesting. It's just weird that people are using the result of Mayweather's superiority to downplay his excellence.
If Floyd was a lesser fighter then he might have won in a more competitive (and entertaining) way, which would probably have seen the casual fans bigging him up more than they are now.
Yeah I thought that at the end, would of been interesting to hear what they thought. It's worrying if they thought they were up on the score cards though. Roach probably looks the biggest idiot in it all really, Pacquiao was quite humble throughout (except at the end) and I'd imagine once he reflects on it he may change his mind. Roach talked up his "master plan" which was 5 years in the making and it got torn to pieces tonight. There's a lot of thinking to do for Pacquiao if he is to carry on boxing, it's all well and good calling Floyd boring but Pac Man hasn't knocked anyone out in 6 years, for an agressive fighter it's a poor record. Obviously there's fights that should of been stoppped (i.e. Margarito) but it'd be naive to dismiss this loss as just Floyd being boring. I'd imagine a few fighters will fancy their chances against Pacquiao now to improve their CV with a win over him on there.
I can't stand De La Hoya, he just seems so false. Promotes himself as the "Golden Boy" etc but is hardly an angel himself.
Yeah, coz Manny Pacquio look so busted up at the end didn't he, wobbling all over the ring he was, constantly on the ropes!!! LOL. The best bits in terms of entertainment came from Manny, he wanted to fight, Floyd wanted to run, just as Ricky said before he got in the ring with him, said he'll have to get trained by Carl Lewis and Forrest gump, and boy was he right. (obviously Ricky got extra reckless though where as Manny did not).
Come to think of it didn't Andre Dirrell do a similar thing to Froch in nottingham? Many people reckon he won that fight but on the judges scorecards they gave it to Froch, he basically hit and run all night and avoid Froch's style.
Someone posted before the fight that Mannys odds were 1/18 for most punches thrown, it is genuinely insane that didn't happen(pretty sure most opponents out throw Floyd but he gets a far higher % everytime). Such an iffy fight, half assed shit.
Glad I didn't pay a penny knowing that out of £20 like £15 of it would of gone to them. Neither of them really even built it up either. No hostility, nothing. And it was the same in the ring.
Glad I didn't pay a penny knowing that out of £20 like £15 of it would of gone to them. Neither of them really even built it up either. No hostility, nothing. And it was the same in the ring.
Only UFC guy I know is this John Jones? That's because he's been a dumb prick recently. I knew Kimbo Slice from some YouTube videos and the rest are WWE fighters
To be fair, UFC does have its share of stars. The problem is that it needs to get its house in order. Failed drug tests and injuries are a major problem for the company and are undermining it on a regular basis.
That's one way of looking at it. The other, more realistic way is that Manny simply wasn't good enough to breach Floyd's defence.
I find it absolutely bizarre that boxers have so much power in deciding who they can fight. Was it always like this? It doesn't happen in any other sport - it's farcical. Can't they unify all the governing bodies and then establish a system which forces top ranked boxers to fight each other?
Wasn't aware I said he was in trouble, but never mind.
Pacquiao was trying to be aggressive but it was failing every time, it doesn't look good for the judges when that happens either. It'd an odd fight to choose the Hatton one as well considering Mayweather won nearly every round in that one as well, and knocked him out.
Mayweather's technique has been the same for years. It's not "running" either, he just commands the ring more. It's interesting you think he ran and yet he threw and landed more punches. How does that work? To me it just implies Mayweather had more to his game than Pacquiao did and Pacquiao didn't have an answer. It's all well and good people liking Pacquiao and being frustrated about the result but if he wants to carry on fighting he does have to reassess things, that was far to easy for Mayweather and Pacquiao did look like he was struggling with the pace at the end. If he wants to blame Floyd "running" on this loss then fair enouh but if that's his attitude then I'd imagine he will lose his next fight as well.
Mayweather has a lot of sway because he is a huge name, he sells fights in Vegas and does generate a load of income so he will pretty much fight who he wants. In fairness thought he has fought the biggest names, it's not a list of bums on his record.
It's all very political though. They do get titles taken off them for not fighting mandatory fighters etc but in modern boxing I think titles don't matter as much anymore.
Letting your opponent hit you more than you hit them is usually a less than ideal way of going about things. If Manny wanted to fight then he should probably have done a better job of it.
too many bureaucratics involved in this sport. It could be so much better if it where ruled like any other sport (UFC system would be the best option).
Roach master plan was all based on the Oscar v Floyd fight. Oscar had some early success jabbing his way in and closing the range between himself and Mayweather. Unfortunately for Roach, Oscar' jab is much much better then Pac's.
I'm not too sure what their gameplan was? I thought they would try to overwhelm May with a lot of punches and look to steal it on the cards, but they couldn't do that. Most likely as they didn't anticipate floyd coming out, taking the centre of the ring and controlling the range so well. I mean even Maidana did a better job at unsettling Mayweather. The casuals will say Floyd made it boring, but why wasn't Pac throwing any meaningful punches.
Everyone has a plan until you get in the ring with Floyd. Floyd destroys the plans almost immediately.
Just because the crowed screamed when Manny had some success doesn't mean that was the only exciting parts of the fight.
Floyd landed more cleaner punches, why weren't they exciting to you?
Thought the same, it definitely didn't seem to go whatever way they were planning it. Manny looked out of ideas pretty early on I thought, I was expecting him to throw way more too.
In fact I thought Manny's most dangerous spells came when Floyd let control slip a bit rather than Pac forcing it.
I don't think Manny's plan was to get him on the ropes and pressure him, he's not a pressure fighter. I think his plan was to be Manny Pacquiao: fight him in the middle of the ring, quick in and out footwork and throw them punches. But once he got in there, he just couldn't get in range, he knew every time he could try to get closer to Floyd, Floyd would counter him with those long arms, so he was tentative on his feet, more tentative than I've ever seen him.
Could write a dissertation on this.
I hate smug wankers who's response to negative Floyd ratings is, "you don't understand boxing". feck off
Yup, he looked clueless after the 3rd round tbh. He was reluctant to open up, because whenever he did he would be caught.
Boxing lost.
Both fighters are a piece of shit.
Both fighters are a piece of shit.
Correct, Manny was no way near winning this fight, the fact he threw like 150 less punches than he's threw in the last 10 years is insane. He was clearly petrified of the counter KO again, or was just there for the monster money.....probably both. There is zero argument for Manny winning, he wasn't an aggressor all that much, he wasn't the better defensive artist and he didn't show superior boxing IQ.
Ignoring his Hatton/Marquez IV early finish fights, he's only threw less than 600 punches in the last decade once, and that was like 570 vs Bradley. You can tell how age how quickly effected him.....when this fight should of happened in 2009/10, he was tossing up 850-1000 punches over 12, last 3 times out 570-700....down to 430 today. Mayweathers is steadily consistent and the same.
Ignoring his Hatton/Marquez IV early finish fights, he's only threw less than 600 punches in the last decade once, and that was like 570 vs Bradley. You can tell how age how quickly effected him.....when this fight should of happened in 2009/10, he was tossing up 850-1000 punches over 12, last 3 times out 570-700....down to 430 today. Mayweathers is steadily consistent and the same.
Some people seem to think getting hit less while hitting more is a sign of cowardice rather than being the better fighter. If that isn't a lack of knowledge then they certainly have a very strange view of boxing.
I get people saying it wasn't a great fight (it was fairly poor really) but this "running away" nonsense is insane.
They're smug wankers, but they're not wrong.
I find all the drama and shady characters in boxing as part of the appeal! I have heard boxing described as the 'wild west' of sports as it has that lawless quality about it.
You are absolutely right though. Provodnikov and Matthysse fought recently. As soon you saw that matchup the word 'war' sprung to mind and that is how it played out, as one of the 'most brutal fights of the year'.
Mayweather has a technical but boring style. He sells himself with his ostentatious and braggadocious personality. People buy it too.
I dont think anyone in this thread, or in the entire world, thinks that what Mayweather did was easy. Nor do many think he deserved to lose.
It's just it wasn't entertaining and people are expressing their frustration at the person who made it so.
Why are so many boxing fans in this thread being arrogant? Why not take the time to explain things instead of outright dismissing the opinions of those less familiar with the sport?
You can count the number of boxing matches I've watched on two hands but it's not difficult to appreciate that Mayweather dominated that fight because he was technically and tactically on another level. I might not appreciate the nuances of that but at an overall level it's very easy to see. I could see that in the Ali vs. Fraizer fight too. In fact I was completely entranced by that fight for that reason - I had no idea boxing tactics could be so absorbing.
I personally expected this fight to follow a similar pattern; Pacquiao/Fraizer the brawler vs. Ali/Mayweather the cunning technician. The same themes were there, it just didn't have the same appeal for obvious reasons. The intensity was much lower, the cunning technician landed a lot less significant blows and ultimately we saw a very safe fight from both fighters and that's where the fundamental difference lies. Yes, Pacquaio was out-thought and out-fought but it seems clear as day he wasn't anywhere near his best and didn't go all-out even when he was clearly losing, and because of that Mayweather never even got out of second gear. What's wrong with being disappointed about that?
We already knew going into this that the fight took place too late and that Pacquiao was past his best but even then I think it's not unfair at all to say he was below his best even by his current standards. Similarly Mayweather did enough but I can't believe that's him at his best. Calling that performance superb is just strange to me when he was barely even tested. You could say that Ali wasn't tested against Fraizer but the difference is very clear...Fraizer played his natural game, put everything into it and threw punches relentlessly but he just couldn't break that barrier, and Ali laid into him at key moments. Pacquiao on the other hand barely managed to string a few punches together and looked scared to really play his natural game while Mayweather just watched the clock tick away.
Ali could've won that fight on points easily too, he could've danced the night away while Fraizer tired himself out throwing useless punches, but he didn't because - as he said - he wanted to prove a point. He wanted to show he was the greatest not because of his win ratio or his technical superiority but because of his domination of every aspect of the game. He could play the tactical game, he could play the technical game and he could play the physical game. He was a crowd pleaser too. Mayweather wasn't interested in the latter two aspects and that counts against him in terms of this fight and his career. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out.
You can say that you can't compare boxing in different weight classes but I'm not saying I expected them to have the same strength or style, I'm just saying I expected the same intensity, competitiveness and entertainment. It didn't come close to that and that's almost entirely down to Mayweather, firstly for delaying the fight until Pacquiao was no longer a worthy challenger and secondly for playing so defensively even when he was so clearly superior. That will always lead to resentment - particularly from the casual fans - and I think justifiably so. It wasn't a great spectacle. The most interesting part of it was seeing how superior Mayweather was and that's not enough on its own.
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I never said he ran away. I thought he (Floyd) landed quality punches, and overall the decision was fair. But it made for a very boring fight, and if this is the best the sport has to offer, then it's shit.
And his style of defense is very very monotonous. Get to the ropes, duck down, grab the waist. Is that really genius? I will say his counter game is excellent, but apart from that, meh.
Nah it's rubbish. The storyline was the biggest thing about the fight. No one holds up the Juventus Milan final of 2003 as anything special.
Mayweather is the best boxer but one of the most boring fighters in terms of action. I like watching him box personally but I also like watching Rigondeaux box even more! It depends how you want to frame 'best' I suppose. I can tell you a number of fighters that will guarantee action and excitement in the right match up.