Good club for him!
Matthijs De Ligt
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Bayern tapped him up weeks ago.
Good move for him as he’ll probably move to another to club towards the end of his Bayern contract.
So? It was a pretty quick deal for its size. But that's how Bayern roll
Being impressed that the German hoover club signed anyone is bizarre.
Not sure overpaying for De Ligt is worth salivating over.
Why the bitterness? It was a pretty quick deal. They probably overpaid for him but so did we for Martinez.
Efficiently handled but then again that's probably not that difficult when you're offering up 80 million euros and the player wants out. Juventus are happy enough taking this sort of money as we saw with Pogba. You'd get things done for any of their players.
But it could still be a great deal for Bayern in the fullness of time if they get a couple of big contracts out of him. He's one of the best young defenders around. Their finances are on point, what does it matter to them if they pay a huge fee? It all fits into the budget and they get the best rather than settling.
But it could still be a great deal for Bayern in the fullness of time if they get a couple of big contracts out of him. He's one of the best young defenders around. Their finances are on point, what does it matter to them if they pay a huge fee? It all fits into the budget and they get the best rather than settling.
Took them over a year to sign Sane.
feck , I wish we had gotten him instead, not meant to be i guess.
That's true yeah. They waited longer for Lewandowski too but usually are quite swift
Ajax-Juve-Bayern must be the most boring career path in history.
They’re always waiting for players to run down contracts to get them cheap. I don’t know where this idea that they’re swift comes from
70m Euro fix and 10m Euro add-ons.
5m Euro of it easy to get, the other 5m Euro not easy to get.
Thus it's between 75m and 80m Euro.
If Martinez is really 65m Euro, Bayern surely didn't overpay. De Ligt is 3 years younger and had a high ceiling.
Bayern mainly signed him, because he is the personality to lead and organize the defense verbally, like Alaba did. Hernandez, Upamecano or Pavard don't have that kind of personality.
5m Euro of it easy to get, the other 5m Euro not easy to get.
Thus it's between 75m and 80m Euro.
If Martinez is really 65m Euro, Bayern surely didn't overpay. De Ligt is 3 years younger and had a high ceiling.
Bayern mainly signed him, because he is the personality to lead and organize the defense verbally, like Alaba did. Hernandez, Upamecano or Pavard don't have that kind of personality.
Understanding what is meant by swift would help. If you wait a year for someone to sign on a free does not mean you were not swift in securing other players e.g Gravenbech, and does it mean you were not swift in originally convincing the player in the first place.
We have to wait and sign our target because we can’t agree to a fee and will force a transfer in 18 month isn’t swift. What utter nonsense.
It’s like us and Sancho but every summer. Numerous times at that. Don’t see much praise for the swiftness of that deal. Bayern are always involved in numerous transfer sagas.
Nevermind about the small issue of Pep having played Sané in the community shield and he torn his ACL.
What does it matter if you're swift anyway? It's not that important, the player is there for 4 or 5 years. Whether it takes a few weeks extra or whether it suits the club's financial strategy to wait a year to get a target, I don't see how it's such a big deal. All clubs make these types of decisions. It's just common sense to wait for free transfers if your squad can afford to and the fact is Bayern win the league every year, there's not that much jeopardy.
Christ potentially 15m more than what we paid for Martinez, we got fleeced.
Hope he's an unmitigated disaster for them so we get him instead but I doubt it.
Bayern seems to hold players who enter their peak relatively well, can see him playing for them till he's 30(assuming he's a success).
Bayern seems to hold players who enter their peak relatively well, can see him playing for them till he's 30(assuming he's a success).
Don't often see Bayern taken to the cleaners like that. He'll look good in Germany but he's not worth that kind of money.
De Ligt has been at Juve a few years now. Let's see if you still feel the same way when Martinez has had the same time here.
So Holland will have a bunch of United and Bayern players for EURO 2024 under Koeman? Not bad!
Hell of a window for Bayern
De Ligt is 22 and will turn 23 in August. Martinez turned 24 in Jan. So basically 1 year younger.
Also not sure about your “higher ceiling” comment. Only advantage De ligt has height. His performances haven’t justified “higher potential” comments.
Funny that Bayern is willing to pay 70m for a player that failed in Italy according to Redcaf... maybe de Ligt didnt so bad after all and all the experts claiming he didnt do so well just made stuff up? 
They replaced one of the best strikers in the world with a dodgy overrated CB
And they replaced Süle with Mane
3 of the biggest clubs in football history. Winning trophies everywhere. And he is only turning 23. How is this boring?
Envious of this one. Wanted him the last time too. We could use his leadership skills in our backline. Hope he does well at Bayern as he seems like a likeable guy.
Funny that Bayern is willing to pay 70m for a player that failed in Italy according to Redcaf... maybe de Ligt didnt so bad after all and all the experts claiming he didnt do so well just made stuff up?
I mean it should be obvious to everyone, but RedCafe, or any football forum really, is for entertainment, not genuine insights.
Funny that Bayern is willing to pay 70m for a player that failed in Italy according to Redcaf... maybe de Ligt didnt so bad after all and all the experts claiming he didnt do so well just made stuff up?
Not only the caf. That lie about him is everywhere (but primarily people who do not watch Juventus).
I hope I feel we got a bargain to be fair, but I doubt it. Potentially 67m for a CB who was not even our first choice, coming from a weak league and on top of that a midget. I think it has disaster written all over it.
Hopefully he is worth it.
It’s like Kevin Durant hopping to the Warriors in basketball. A team that’s already dominant adding another star.
Ajax, Juve, and Bayern have just effortlessly pissed their domestic league for years. So yeah, seeing them just add more and more stars to even further separate themselves from the rest is super boring.
Redcafe probably still has people who think Lingard is good enough to play here.Funny that Bayern is willing to pay 70m for a player that failed in Italy according to Redcaf... maybe de Ligt didnt so bad after all and all the experts claiming he didnt do so well just made stuff up?
Erm think you got the ages wrong. There is about a year in it.
No idea what United’s add ons are either. 65m is the very top end but the initial guaranteed fee is 55m (euros).
Bayern have won 10 league titles in a row. Juve had a monopoly on the Serie A until very recently. Ajax have twice the wage bill of their nearest competitor and have swept the competition for nearly half a decade. I’ll give Ajax a pass but Juve and Bayern are boring, sterile clubs.
I don't agree. A big waste of his carreer. 34 matches a year just to get away from the wife. A true waste of time. Bayern is a sensible move for a talent that needs to grow, or one that just lacks the potential to be the absolute best. Good move for Mazraoui and Gravenberch, but not for De Ligt.
Bayern are also real bitches letting their players go. Remember the saga's with Ballack, Kroos and now Lewandowski. Bayern take it very personal when the players want to leave elsewhere because they view themselves as the absolute top. As a club they are, however being in a league that's basicly the least competitive in Europe they are simply not a final destination for true top players. But given Bayerns stance on players that want to leave, he's bringing himself in a difficult position to show himself at a bigger stage in the future.
De Ligt is more than ready to go to PL and also La Liga is much more competitive than Bundesliga. Sure, Bayerns game suits him much better than Juventus', that was a much worse choice he made. Sure, with Bayern he can win the CL (although it remains to be seen how they will hold up without Lewa). However De Ligt should really be testing himself in a league that's not a one horse race.
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You definitely didnt overpay. You should have broken the transfer record for defenders to get him. De Ligt is easily a €100m defender in this market.
Maybe De Ligt had no interest in joining a non CL team. I love Martinez, but I'd definitely take De Ligt at €80-90m ahead of Martinez at €67. If United didn't have a go for him, it'd be quite stupid IMO. Chance of a lifetime it was.
That is how i see but i i like to think that people actually think that what they post is right? It was weird to always read people claiming that he failed, failed to impress, didnt match expectations or something like that.
He clearly did something right if Bayern is willing to fork out the money.
I guess it is just the first impression people had and are not willing to change it. He made a lot of (freak) handballs when he joined Juventus and therefor he cant have been good for them. Must be something like that?
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