Matteo Darmian

[stevoc]

And obviously I can't see a player who had been selected as a left back in his XI more than anyone else will leave such a cheap price in today's market.

Indeed, but he's currently ahead of Blind, Young and Shaw for the manager's LB spot due to him being selected the most in XI and also being selected the most in big games. So fair to say he will be the first pecking order for the LB spot.

You said he started 16 games at LB yes?

In which case Shaw actually played more games than him at LB, Shaw started 17 games last year presumably all at Left Back.

Yes as you say Darmian did indeed start some big games at LB towards the end of the season. Though this was largely due to more defensive tactics in some of those games suiting Darmian's ultra defensive style and our centre back injuries meaning Blind was taken out of contention for LB.

 

[stevoc]

Can't imagine we'll let him leave with him seemingly being ahead of Blind in the pecking order, and that we are just one injury (that you know will happen) to Shaw away from only having Blind as an option.

If he leaves we'll surely bring someone in for LB.

I would imagine thats possible, but it depends how much Jose rates Jackson and/or Mitchell as well.

Those two behind Blind, Shaw, Young and even Rojo if need be gives us 6 options for LB even without Darmian. Mourinho might feel thats enough, or maybe he does have someone lined up.

I guess we will have to see what happens.

 

[RedDevil@84]

I'm very surprised how many people would let him go, let alone for such a small fee.
He is reliable, rarely injured and can cover both fb positions if necessary, plus he finished last season quite strongly IMO.
We can improve on that position but he is a very good squad player and I would definitely keep him over someone like Ashley Young.

I am not surprised though. The caf likes the fullbacks to be very good attackers. Doesn't much care how they are doing defensively, as long as they run like hell on the sides. And if you are Luke Shaw it doesn't even matter if the end result of all that running is meh.
Anyways, allowing Darmian to go cheap especially is plain stupid. He is a decent player and there is no reason for us to get rid of him. If he actively wants to go, he can go, but for a good price.

 

[don't sign old players]

I think Darmian worked hard to improve in the last season. If he wants to go home we should sell him. If he doesn't want to leave I see no reason to push him out the door.

 

[Mike09]

You said he started 16 games at LB yes?

In which case Shaw actually played more games than him at LB, Shaw started 17 games last year presumably all at Left Back.

Yes as you say Darmian did indeed start some big games at LB towards the end of the season. Though this was largely due to more defensive tactics in some of those games suiting Darmian's ultra defensive style and our centre back injuries meaning Blind was taken out of contention for LB.

In this case Shaw actually only played as a starter for 13 games in all comp.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/118244/Show/Luke-Shaw

So I don't know how did you get the 17 games from.

Thus, Darmian still remains on top for LB pecking order at the moment.

 

[stevoc]

In this case Shaw actually only played as a starter for 13 games in all comp.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/118244/Show/Luke-Shaw

So I don't know how did you get the 17 games from.

Thus, Darmian still remains on top for LB pecking order at the moment.

Try again mate this time check his stats in all competitions not just the Premier and Europa league.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/118244/Show/Luke-Shaw

Shaw had 19 appearances last season, 17 from the start and 2 as sub. Thats confirmed on 4 different sites including the one you prefer. So the fact is he did actually play there more than Darmian. And Shaw isn't our 1st choice LB either, despite having played there more than anyone else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Shaw

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/player/167127/luke-shaw?season=2016

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/luke-shaw/leistungsdaten/spieler/183288

 

[Mike09]

Try again mate this time check his stats in all competitions not just the Premier and Europa league.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/118244/Show/Luke-Shaw

Shaw had 19 appearances last season, 17 from the start and 2 as sub. Thats confirmed on 4 different sites including the one you prefer. So the fact is he did actually play there more than Darmian. And Shaw isn't our 1st choice LB either, despite having played there more than anyone else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Shaw

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/player/167127/luke-shaw?season=2016

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/luke-shaw/leistungsdaten/spieler/183288

Yea, I have already checked again the ones I mentioned only EPL and Europa League. But mate, you need to check yours again as well. Those 18 games that Shaw played are including subs when he played only 45 mins as a sub in cup against WHU, 25 min as a sub against Everton and start against Swansea but only played for 9 min.

Darmian played 4 games as a LB in Europa League, 11 starter + 1 as a sub for 45 mins as a LB, 1 in FA cup and 1 in EFL cup in semi final. Total he played 17 starter + 1 as a sub.

While Shaw only played as a starter for 15 times, 1 as a starter but only 9 min, 2 as a subs and 1 as a sub but in 91st min injury time against Liverpool.

And obviously I don't need to waste my time to tell you how many important games that Darmian actually played as a starter compared to Shaw.

Thus, at the moment Darmian is still on top of pecking order for the manager's LB spot ahead of Shaw.

 

[stevoc]

Yea, I have already checked again the ones I mentioned only EPL and Europa League. But mate, you need to check yours again as well. Those 18 games that Shaw played are including subs when he played only 45 mins as a sub in cup against WHU, 25 min as a sub against Everton and start against Swansea but only played for 9 min.

Darmian played 4 games as a LB in Europa League, 11 starter + 1 as a sub for 45 mins as a LB, 1 in FA cup and 1 in EFL cup in semi final. Total he played 17 starter + 1 as a sub.

While Shaw only played as a starter for 15 times, 1 as a starter but only 9 min, 2 as a subs and 1 as a sub but in 91st min injury time against Liverpool.

I honestly don't know if you are on a wind up at this stage mate, you must be or at least i hope you are. First Darmian started 16 games at LB now its 17. Then Shaw only started 13 now it's 15. Jesus you're all over the place.

He started against West Ham in the cup and vs Swansea in the league.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/2770139
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/2698429

Here are the actual facts that can be checked on the 4 links i posted. Luke Shaw started 17 games last season and made 2 appearances as a sub all at LB.

Accept the reality of that or do not, i honestly don't give a feck anymore.

 

[Red Dreams]

Mourinho apparently wants him to stay.

Why not. If we are going on all fronts, we certainly need an experienced full back like him.

In the end if Darmain wants to leave, Mourinho will let him I suppose.

 

[Mike09]

I honestly don't know if you are on a wind up at this stage mate, you must be or at least i hope you are. First Darmian started 16 games at LB now its 17. Then Shaw only started 13 now it's 15. Jesus you're all over the place.

He started against West Ham in the cup and vs Swansea in the league.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/2770139
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/2698429

Here are the actual facts that can be checked on the 4 links i posted. Luke Shaw started 17 games last season and made 2 appearances as a sub all at LB.

Accept the reality of that or do not, i honestly don't give a feck anymore.

You didn't read my post properly.

If you read my previous post, I admitted that I didn't look at the whoscored.com stats properly. He only played as a starters 16 times in Europa League and EPL. But played as a starter 17 times total in all comps.

While Shaw only played as a starter for 16 times (My mistake about the WHU game that's why I only counted 15 times), 1 more as a starter but only 9 min, 1 as a subs and 1 as a sub but in 91st min injury time against Liverpool. And that 9 min is Swansea.

You keep ignoring two facts here:

• Darmian played as a starter more than Shaw in term of minutes as a left back THAT IS THE REALITY!!.
• And if we combined with the fact that Darmian played more games in important games then it's fair to say Darmian is currently on top of pecking order in Jose's LB spot THAT IS ALSO ANOTHER REALITY!!

Why are you making it so difficult??

Just count:
Luke Shaw in all comp 16x starter + 1x starter for 9 min only:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/luke-shaw/leistungsdaten/spieler/183288
Darmian 17 starter (16x in EL & EPL & 1x in Cup):
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jumplist/leistungsdaten/spieler/54906

 

[stevoc]

Why are you making it so difficult??

Just count:
Luke Shaw in all comp 16x starter + 1x starter for 9 min only:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/luke-shaw/leistungsdaten/spieler/183288
Darmian 17 starter (16x in EL & EPL & 1x in Cup):
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jumplist/leistungsdaten/spieler/54906

Jesus a start is a start mate, so that makes 17 starts.

 

[Samid]

So Juventus have gifted their RB to City and now want one of ours for peanuts? Feck them. Take them to the cleaners and demand £25m.

 

[Varun]

What an argument

 

[Lawman]

So Juventus have gifted their RB to City and now want one of ours for peanuts? Feck them. Take them to the cleaners and demand £25m.

Who is going to buy Darmian for £25m? We will do well to get £15m and if offered that we should bite the hand of them.

 

[Murray3007]

Who is going to buy Darmian for £25m? We will do well to get £15m and if offered that we should bite the hand of them.

Why should we tho, hes a good defender and will be games he suits Jose's style, can cover both RB and LB, lets start getting decent fee's for our players, we over the years have been well screwed with fees from teams.

 

[Lawman]

Why should we tho, hes a good defender and will be games he suits Jose's style, can cover both RB and LB, lets start getting decent fee's for our players, we over the years have been well screwed with fees from teams.

Given the level of his performances I think £15m is good money for him.

 

[Murray3007]

Given the level of his performances I think £15m is good money for him.

wouldnt like to see your value on other players then

 

[Samid]

Who is going to buy Darmian for £25m? We will do well to get £15m and if offered that we should bite the hand of them.

He is a very decent squad player who will be at the peak of his career for the next 2-3 years. I don't get the obsession with selling all fringe players just because they aren't marquee names. You need good squad depth to be competitive over the course of the season, as Darmian proved in the final third of the season when other defenders were dropping as flies.

 

[B&Wandmore]

So Juventus have gifted their RB to City and now want one of ours for peanuts? Feck them. Take them to the cleaners and demand £25m.

that's a good point Still cannot understand why we released the Brasilian moron for free, he still has 2 good years....
Personally I hope these speculation are false, Darmian is a good player for a mid table team, he cannot be a starting player for neither MU nor Juve and certainly not worth anything above what it was paid that I believe was around £15m, eventually the case can be made that he did not impress when he moved to a top team

 

[Decomposing In Paris]

He's currently our starting left back, if Juve want him (which they might, but possibly not with a view to him being first choice) then they should have to pay what it would cost for us to replace him. Which for us, in the current market would be about €35m

 

[LuisNaniencia]

I don't see that we can afford to sell him unless we have 2 fullbacks lined up to sign.

 

[Lawman]

He is a very decent squad player who will be at the peak of his career for the next 2-3 years. I don't get the obsession with selling all fringe players just because they aren't marquee names. You need good squad depth to be competitive over the course of the season, as Darmian proved in the final third of the season when other defenders were dropping as flies.

Would rather see some of the younger players play than Darmian.

 

[Mike09]

Jesus a start is a start mate, so that makes 17 starts.

The point that I'm trying to prove is that the reason why I can tell Jose favour him ahead of the others because of those facts. I'm not trying to make points of number of starts!!

I don't understand why are you trying to make it so difficult. Simple just accept the reality.

 

[stevoc]

Who is going to buy Darmian for £25m? We will do well to get £15m and if offered that we should bite the hand of them.

No club on the planet earth.

He's currently our starting left back, if Juve want him (which they might, but possibly not with a view to him being first choice) then they should have to pay what it would cost for us to replace him. Which for us, in the current market would be about €35m

Even in the current market it would not cost us anywhere near 35m to upgrade on Darmian. I think as is usually the case on the Caf, 6-7 weeks of decent performances towards the end of the season have made people forget about almost 2 years of largely downright awful ones.

 

[arthurka]

Don´t get what people are on about? He is a really solid defender and Jose never uses both flanks to attack so if we have a attacking fullback playing on one side Darmian can play on the opposite flank.
25m plus is minimum in today´s market.

 

[stevoc]

Don´t get what people are on about? He is a really solid defender and Jose never uses both flanks to attack so if we have a attacking fullback playing on one side Darmian can play on the opposite flank.
25m plus is minimum in today´s market.

Thats one of those myths that just won't seem to die it seems, there was a whole thread about it a few weeks back. The quote below was posted there. Outside of the odd game i doubt Jose instructs any of our fullbacks to be ultra defensive and stay back all game. Most of Shaws starts last year came with Valencia on the opposite side, neither of them sat back.

Speaking to MUTV , Shaw said: "At times people have said maybe he [Mourinho] doesn’t like his full-backs to go forward but that’s not the case. He gives both full-backs that license to go forward, obviously not at the same time but if I have the chance then it’s up to me if I want to go forward or not. It’s not that I’ve got to stay put or do particular things, I’ve got the freedom to play and that only gives me the confidence in what I want to do to help the team."

 

[izec]

Thats one of those myths that just won't seem to die it seems, there was a whole thread about it a few weeks back. The quote below was posted there. Outside of the odd game i doubt Jose instructs any of our fullbacks to be ultra defensive and stay back all game. Most of Shaws starts last year came with Valencia on the opposite side, neither of them sat back.

Well if Valencia is sprinting forwards mostly, it automatically means the LB has to be more defensive, since both fullbacks are not attacking at the same time.

 

[bucky]

So are we going to pretend that Darmian is good enough for where we want to be just because he had a few good games at the end of season? I'd rather keep Blind and play him there.

 

[ReallyUSA]

So are we going to pretend that Darmian is good enough for where we want to be just because he had a few good games at the end of season? I'd rather keep Blind and play him there.

Blind is guaranteed to have one major feck up a game. I hate him playing defense all together.

 

[bucky]

Blind is guaranteed to have one major feck up a game. I hate him playing defense all together.

He has the odd game, where he looks dodgy, Darmian on the other hand isn't good enough against better teams than Celta Vigo and Ajax.

 

[stevoc]

Well if Valencia is sprinting forwards mostly, it automatically means the LB has to be more defensive, since both fullbacks are not attacking at the same time.

Yes mate but thats not the same as Jose playing one dedicated attacking fullback and one dedicated defensive fullback. If the LB attacks Valencia will stay deeper and vice versa. But both are allowed to attack if they have the opportunity. Plenty of players played at LB last year and got up the pitch on multiple occasions during games despite Valencia being on the other side, the obvious exception here is Darmian who this myth seems to have been built around. He just chooses to almost never get up the pitch as he did under Van Gaal also.

 

[Lawman]

Would rather have a full back like Valencia that can do both attack and defend. Darmian when given the chance to go forward is lost.

 

[RedorDead21]

Would rather have a full back like Valencia that can do both attack and defend. Darmian when given the chance to go forward is lost.

For Italy I remember him having great games going forward and when he started for us i thought he looked much better going forward. I think his confidence took a hit and he now appears lost in the role. Not sure he fits the profile for Maureen either so best for all concerned if we get 15+m and move on. The left back at Celtic would be a better shout as a rotation player for us.

 

[Lawman]

For Italy I remember him having great games going forward and when he started for us i thought he looked much better going forward. I think his confidence took a hit and he now appears lost in the role. Not sure he fits the profile for Maureen either so best for all concerned if we get 15+m and move on. The left back at Celtic would be a better shout as a rotation player for us.

Without a doubt or Mendy would be good.

 

[Marcelinho87]

Given the level of his performances I think £15m is good money for him.

If Mourinho trusts him as our LB and clubs like Juve want to buy him then surely he is worth more than £15m. You are just letting your personal opinion of the player get in the way.

 

[SwansonsTache]

Considering it is Juve we'll do well to get £20m.

Their first offer will probably be a three year loan deal with us subsidising half the wages.

 

[Distracted Steward]

I a little weary of letting him go without Shaw stepping up or Mourinho showing faith in Blind.

I guess it's just having this unsettled of a back four that bothers me...

 

[KN5]

No club on the planet earth.



Even in the current market it would not cost us anywhere near 35m to upgrade on Darmian. I think as is usually the case on the Caf, 6-7 weeks of decent performances towards the end of the season have made people forget about almost 2 years of largely downright awful ones.

No point in referring to LVG's season for performance, his style was so different and frustrating. I'm sure you remember Rojo. The main point is, he has improved and a lot at that, he played out of his mind towards the end of the season and deserves that respect at least. Regardless of everything he could be a very decent backup since he can play both fullback positions and even played some CB for us. He's a good squad player, wouldn't say he is any more than that based on last season.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

I a little weary of letting him go without Shaw stepping up or Mourinho showing faith in Blind.

I guess it's just having this unsettled of a back four that bothers me...

Huh? Unsettled? We have 3 nailed on. We also have great second options.

 

[stevoc]

No point in referring to LVG's season for performance, his style was so different and frustrating. I'm sure you remember Rojo. The main point is, he has improved and a lot at that, he played out of his mind towards the end of the season and deserves that respect at least. Regardless of everything he could be a very decent backup since he can play both fullback positions and even played some CB for us. He's a good squad player, wouldn't say he is any more than that based on last season.

Lets hope thats all he is if he stays. Otherwise we are in trouble next year.