Matteo Darmian

KN5 said:
I agree with you somewhat, we didn't get rich by just wasting money, however, this wouldn't be a waste, Darmian can be a good backup to RB and LB, giving him away for just 12-15m when that's how much a replacement will most likely cost and being lucky at that, there's no point unless they're paying 25m, and that's just because it'd be silly to not get rid of a player of Darmians calibre for such a high price, he isn't great, he's just decent and is probably worth around 10-15, but he still has a use.
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I get what you are saying mate but i personally think bar the 6-7 weeks towards the end of the season he's been very poor for us. It wouldn't be hard finding a fullback to upgrade on him defensively and especially offensively plus if he wants to leave, then recouping what we paid for him seems like a good deal all round.

I'll be honest i thought we would have to sell him at a loss considering his form over the last 2 years.
 
Mike09 said:
I don't know where did you get that theory of yours from again. I even read the article twice to make sure if I don't miss anything and there is no quote saying that he wants to leave and return to Italy.

And also just to remind you even though players want to leave but Jose won't sell them if the price doesn't meet his own criteria which what happened to both Memphis and Schneiderlin in January windows. Everton had to increase their bid in order to get Schneiderlin and it took a while for us to get rid Memphis.
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He's been hinting at leaving for months mate.

From April

And the United ace has discussed his future, revealing he'll assess his options at the end of the season.

“I wouldn’t know what to say right now [about the future],” Darmian told Tuttomercatoweb.

“The campaign isn’t over yet and I am really concentrated on this final rush. I cannot predict my future.

“We all know that in this profession you can be somewhere one day and in a completely different place the next, but it would be inopportune to discuss it now.

“I am focused on getting the best with Manchester United, then at the right time we’ll evaluate the situation.”
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...-Milan-exit-plans-Burnley-rumours-gossip-news

May

And he is seemingly growing fed up with his lack of game time, although the Italy international has decided to shelve talk of his future until the end of the campaign.

“I don’t think it is the right time to speak about my future,” said Darmian.
“Now is the time to think about playing against Arsenal on Sunday and nothing more.

“At the end of the season, we will see what happens.

“It is normal that when you play for Manchester United there is a lot of competition for places from great players.

“When the manager gives me an opportunity, I try to do my best and that is it. I want to help the team achieve our objectives and then let’s see.”
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/612021/Manchester-United-Transfer-News-Matteo-Darmian
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/612021/Manchester-United-Transfer-News-Matteo-Darmian

June

He said: "Surely this is not the moment to talk about the transfer market.

"I wouldn't know what to answer.

"I have a contract with Manchester United, so let's see what happens."
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/621050/Man-Utd-Matteo-Darmian-Italy-Uruguay-transfer-news


If he does want to leave it's easy to see why, he's a right back and he has no chance of displacing Valencia, so he would have to settle for 15-20 games at LB and being rotated with Blind and/or Shaw next year. With the world cup coming up he would obviously prefer to be playing regularly at RB to cement a place in the Italy squad.
 
dannofdawn said:
You say he is bang average yet we're entertaining the thought that Juventus, you know the club that played in 2 UCL finals in 3 years is interested in a 27 years old player? When their right backs are over 30s, clearly they see what he can bring to the team and he's not going to be back up for them. So why should be undervalue him?

So I think it's ridiculous that we'll even consider sub 20m is enough to let him go for. Not to mention we ourselves have no backup to Valencia, and Darmian also played left back for us because our left backs were injured. Why would we think of selling a player that can play both flanks when we already lack security in those positions? The deal has to be good FOR US. Unless we go out and buy 1 left back and 1 right back this summer, no way Darmian should go. And if he must, we could push to 25 - 30m all clause included to Juventus simply because they have an aging squad, and most likely looking for a player that can play 30+ games a season for the next few years.
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He's suited to slow Italian football, if a good offer comes in we should sell. I never said sell low offer. I don't care if its Real Madrid or Juventus bidding, he isn't good enough for United. Offers so little, a squad player that makes me nervous. Don't let 5 games against average opposition let you think otherwise. Lindelof can play right back too if needed. I'm not overly bothered about a man who needs to take hard boiled eggs home from Carrington, because he doesn't know how to make them. He's a limited player that won't take us to the next level. I'd rather invest in a new young and exciting right back, that will take over the reign from Tony V. How can you get passionate about an lvg dud, and that is what he is. To think we were linked with Fabihno when we got Darmian, jesus wept.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
He's suited to slow Italian football, if a good offer comes in we should sell. I never said sell low offer. I don't care if its Real Madrid or Juventus bidding, he isn't good enough for United. Offers so little, a squad player that makes me nervous. Don't let 5 games against average opposition let you think otherwise. Lindelof can play right back too if needed. I'm not overly bothered about a man who needs to take hard boiled eggs home from Carrington, because he doesn't know how to make them. He's a limited player that won't take us to the next level. I'd rather invest in a new young and exciting right back, that will take over the reign from Tony V. How can you get passionate about an lvg dud, and that is what he is. To think we were linked with Fabihno when we got Darmian, jesus wept.
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Only If We sign a suitbale replacement we should let him go , Which i doubt.
 
Absolutely nothing to really base this on but he strikes me as the sort of bloke that would dash back to Italy as fast as he could.

He's horrendous going forward and I'd never want to see him starting regularly for us, but he's a fairly solid option to cover both sides in the event of an injury. I wouldn't actively sell him, but if he left I can't say I'd be too bothered.
 
I always felt he was likely the first of our defenders to be out the door. However, he did hit a bit of form after we beat Chelsea and probably earned José's trust since then. Not sure if it'll be quite enough for him to stay here, but this must mean we are definitely in for a full back. If he's going back to Italy, we'll probably get a couple million more than he's realistically worth. I don't think he's quite up to the pace of the English game, Serie A is where he belongs.
 
If he does go then we'd definitely be bringing someone in, presumably someone capable of nailing down a place in the first XI. Might leave us a bit short of cover for Valencia though.
 
Shame as he turned things round towards the end of the season. I wonder if we might let him go and not replace him, and use this as an opportunity to get TFM more involved via RB cover. LB would still an issue unless Shaw can get his head right though.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
Why would we keep a player we don't want? We can't hoard players for the hell of it.
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I don't think it's a matter of keeping a player we don't want. He provides a good cover for both fullback positions and Jose trusts him tactically. He is a very useful player. People spoke in great lengths about how Herrera marked Hazard out of the game against Chelsea but Darmian went under the radar with his job on Pedro.

I don't want him starting too many games because I prefer attacking fullbacks more, but clearly he can be useful.

In this type of market, I would be quite surprised if we even entertain a £15-20m bid.
 
He's a throwback to the days when full backs really were just defenders. He put in some excellent defensive performances in the second half of last season but his presence encourages negative play. I might be inclined to keep him solely as a marker, like we've used Jones as in the past, but I'm not 100% convinced he has the technique to even do that.
 
I don't mind what happens either way, here.

I don't mind him as a squad player but if we can get around £15-20million for him I'd take that, too.

He's good enough to start regularly elsewhere so I wouldn't begrudge him wanting to leave if we can recoup a good amount.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
I don't mind what happens either way, here.

I don't mind him as a squad player but if we can get around £15-20million for him I'd take that, too.

He's good enough to start regularly elsewhere so I wouldn't begrudge him wanting to leave if we can recoup a good amount.
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We will be barely making a profit and that too in today's market and you're happy with that? SMH.
 
Just like in the Smalling thread, I won't be surprised if he moves on to where he has a legitimate chance to nail down a starting position. Like Smalling and England, he needs regular playing time in starting position to stay in contention for Italy. To be in contention for a big national team selection, being a backup, or rotation option, hurts their chances for selection. I know there are exceptions to this, but generally that's the case.

Regarding his transfer price, and United's sell on fees:

There are 3 types of clubs in this respect:

Clubs that simply must maximize their transfer fees on player sales to stay competitive and viable. The vast majority of football clubs fall into this category.

Clubs that may not necessarily need that income from player sales to stay competitive, but choose to maximize their transfer fees as additional income. Chelsea tend to be a great example, their transfer dealings almost function as an added revenue stream operating outside of just improving their squad.

Clubs that don't need to maximize their transfer fees for players they are willing to let move on, and don't. That's United. I'm also going to give my opinion and theory on why United are willing to let players go without trying to maximize our income. Because we also take the player's interests into account. I've been saying this for years. We don't need, or want, to fleece other clubs, or force players to sit around disgruntled, while we try get to the highest bidder. Sure, we expect reasonable fees, but it's the best for all parties involved if the player can go the club that fits their ambition, it can be done quickly, and we don't expend precious time trying to haggle for a few million on an outgoing transfer, when we could spend that time on an incoming player. It's a big selling point to any player wanting to join United that they are joining a club that will do the right thing for the player, if the time comes to move on. I realize this is aneathema to Football Manager and downright infuriating to some, and I'm not sure in the current market if it is sustainable policy, or right. Certainly we got more for Schneiderlin and Memphis recently, maybe that indicates a shift.

However, the alternative to common sense is that our club is run by incompetent idiots, who cannot value players properly and continually fail to maximize profits despite their efforts, and thus some can rail about our low transfer fees in the twitter thread, and demand a director of football.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
He's suited to slow Italian football, if a good offer comes in we should sell. I never said sell low offer. I don't care if its Real Madrid or Juventus bidding, he isn't good enough for United. Offers so little, a squad player that makes me nervous. Don't let 5 games against average opposition let you think otherwise. Lindelof can play right back too if needed. I'm not overly bothered about a man who needs to take hard boiled eggs home from Carrington, because he doesn't know how to make them. He's a limited player that won't take us to the next level. I'd rather invest in a new young and exciting right back, that will take over the reign from Tony V. How can you get passionate about an lvg dud, and that is what he is. To think we were linked with Fabihno when we got Darmian, jesus wept.
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Lets just remind you that Juve were in the champions league final and are in a different league to this 6th place finishing UTD team , if hes good enough for them he is certainly good enough as a squad player for us .
 
I'm very surprised how many people would let him go, let alone for such a small fee.
He is reliable, rarely injured and can cover both fb positions if necessary, plus he finished last season quite strongly IMO.
We can improve on that position but he is a very good squad player and I would definitely keep him over someone like Ashley Young.
 
Banat said:
I'm very surprised how many people would let him go, let alone for such a small fee.
He is reliable, rarely injured and can cover both fb positions if necessary, plus he finished last season quite strongly IMO.
We can improve on that position but he is a very good squad player and I would definitely keep him over someone like Ashley Young.
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Of course. The problem is a very defensive full-back while Young is an offensive one. I don't really see them as occupying the same position in the squad, not really. I think Darmian is more sure to stay than Young, though.
 
Banat said:
I'm very surprised how many people would let him go, let alone for such a small fee.
He is reliable, rarely injured and can cover both fb positions if necessary, plus he finished last season quite strongly IMO.
We can improve on that position but he is a very good squad player and I would definitely keep him over someone like Ashley Young.
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I agree.

I thought he was very solid at the end of last season and then I think it sends a bad message if we let him go. Unless of course it's the player requesting to leave
 
stevoc said:
Darmian played there 18 times:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/matteo-darmian/leistungsdaten/spieler/54906

Blind 20 times:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/daley-blind/leistungsdaten/spieler/12282

We don't have a first choice Left back in my opinion.
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You clearly include playing 20s min and that's not an option to be called as a first choice. In whoscored, Darmian was selected in Jose's XI 16 times as left back, while Blind played 15 times. It's fair to say that Jose favour him over the others for his first choice left back at the moment.
 
stevoc said:
He's been hinting at leaving for months mate.

From April



http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...-Milan-exit-plans-Burnley-rumours-gossip-news

May


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/612021/Manchester-United-Transfer-News-Matteo-Darmian

June



http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/621050/Man-Utd-Matteo-Darmian-Italy-Uruguay-transfer-news


If he does want to leave it's easy to see why, he's a right back and he has no chance of displacing Valencia, so he would have to settle for 15-20 games at LB and being rotated with Blind and/or Shaw next year. With the world cup coming up he would obviously prefer to be playing regularly at RB to cement a place in the Italy squad.
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I still can't find a quote or evidence where he's been hinting at leaving mate. All those quotes are about interviewer asked him questions about his future and he answered them by saying "I don't know, we will see".

Unless you didn't read them but all the quotes hinted that he doesn't care about transfer rumours, what he cares is that as long as the manager needs him then he will give his best.

Jose isn't planning to sign a new left back right now, and you expect him to let Darmian who has been selected the most as a left back to go cheaply?? I doubt it. Jose will need an extra fund to sign a new left back, don't think we have enough budget for a new left back without selling Darmian for something closed to 30m pounds.
 
Mike09 said:
You clearly include playing 20s min and that's not an option to be called as a first choice. In whoscored, Darmian was selected in Jose's XI 16 times as left back, while Blind played 15 times. It's fair to say that Jose favour him over the others for his first choice left back at the moment.
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So the stats site which is closest to your opinion is right and all others are wrong, interesting. In either case even if Whoscored is right 16 starts vs 15 certainly doesn't make either of them first choice. We don't have a first choice LB, especially considering Blind might well have played more games there towards the end of the season if we hadn't have had so many centre back injuries.

You clearly include playing 20s min and that's not an option to be called as a first choice.
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What do you mean here mate?

I only included starts from each player at left back.
 
Banat said:
I'm very surprised how many people would let him go, let alone for such a small fee.
He is reliable, rarely injured and can cover both fb positions if necessary, plus he finished last season quite strongly IMO.
We can improve on that position but he is a very good squad player and I would definitely keep him over someone like Ashley Young.
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I like Darmian and hope he stays.
 
Mike09 said:
I still can't find a quote or evidence where he's been hinting at leaving mate. All those quotes are about interviewer asked him questions about his future and he answered them by saying "I don't know, we will see".

Unless you didn't read them but all the quotes hinted that he doesn't care about transfer rumours, what he cares is that as long as the manager needs him then he will give his best.

Jose isn't planning to sign a new left back right now, and you expect him to let Darmian who has been selected the most as a left back to go cheaply?? I doubt it. Jose will need an extra fund to sign a new left back, don't think we have enough budget for a new left back without selling Darmian for something closed to 30m pounds.
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Eh ok mate, thats 3 interviews in 3 months where he's remained totally non-committal to staying at United. That says to me if he isn't actively looking to leave he certainly wouldn't be averse to the idea if an opportunity should arise.

The way he's speaking certainly doesn't strike me as someone who's 100% certain he wants to stay at United.

Jose isn't planning to sign a new left back right now,
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I don't think either of us know whether thats true or not mate.
 
The top Italian clubs have a weird interest in him, I think it's mainly because he's first choice in the national team. You don't see interest from anywhere else around Europe, if Juve or Milan offer £15-20m we should definitely take it and invest in another full back.
 
Blind said:
The top Italian clubs have a weird interest in him, I think it's mainly because he's first choice in the national team. You don't see interest from anywhere else around Europe, if Juve or Milan offer £15-20m we should definitely take it and invest in another full back.
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Dafaq? In this market you make a profit of only 2-5m? Thats crazy for the #1 right back of the Italian national team. Firstly he isnt absolutely terrible. When we sit back in games away from home and dont attack from the wings too much, he is solid since he isnt a defensive liability. Even if he decide to sell him, he will suit the slower style of the Serie A. Quite a few teams would want him. He has been here only two years. We have time in his contract to negotiate a good deal. If they pay 35m then good, take it and invest it in someone like Semedo. But not 15-20m.
 
Banat said:
I'm very surprised how many people would let him go, let alone for such a small fee.
He is reliable, rarely injured and can cover both fb positions if necessary, plus he finished last season quite strongly IMO.
We can improve on that position but he is a very good squad player and I would definitely keep him over someone like Ashley Young.
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I think that was as good as it gets with Darmian. Looking at other clubs we want to compete with, how does he compare to Alaba, Filipe Luis, Marcelo, Alex Sandro, Mendy, Guerreiro and Marcos Alonso?
 
I don't see him going anywhere. We have a defensive manager, he's an excellent defender in the traditional sense.
 
stevoc said:
So the stats site which is closest to your opinion is right and all others are wrong, interesting. In either case even if Whoscored is right 16 starts vs 15 certainly doesn't make either of them first choice. We don't have a first choice LB, especially considering Blind might well have played more games there towards the end of the season if we hadn't have had so many centre back injuries.



What do you mean here mate?

I only included starts from each player at left back.
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I believed I have made it clear that In whoscored, Darmian was selected in Jose's XI 16 times as left back, while Blind played 15 times.

But you included games which Blind only played a few mins as a sub (20, 26, 29 mins). And that's not considered to be first choice selection at all.

But Darmian has shown that he was being selected as a left back in big games (Eruopa League, Liverpool, Chelsea and etc) ahead of the others which I have also mentioned this before.

Being selected the most and more favorable option in big games, surely it's fair to say that Darmian is in manager's first list picking order for left back position.
 
stevoc said:
Eh ok mate, thats 3 interviews in 3 months where he's remained totally non-committal to staying at United. That says to me if he isn't actively looking to leave he certainly wouldn't be averse to the idea if an opportunity should arise.

The way he's speaking certainly doesn't strike me as someone who's 100% certain he wants to stay at United.



I don't think either of us know whether thats true or not mate.
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?? I can't see where it shows that Darmian is totally not committed to stay at the club. The interviewers keep asking him but he never actually answered them.

Let's take a similar example few years ago when player loves to messing around with interviewers's brain,

Interviewer: are you coming back to United this summer
Ronaldo: you never know
Summer windows closed, and he stayed.
 
Can't imagine we'll let him leave with him seemingly being ahead of Blind in the pecking order, and that we are just one injury (that you know will happen) to Shaw away from only having Blind as an option.

If he leaves we'll surely bring someone in for LB.
 
Mike09 said:
I believed I have made it clear that In whoscored, Darmian was selected in Jose's XI 16 times as left back, while Blind played 15 times.

But you included games which Blind only played a few mins as a sub (20, 26, 29 mins). And that's not considered to be first choice selection at all.
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I get what you meant now mate fair enough. I didnt actually look into how many minutes he played in each of his games at LB.

Mike09 said:
Darmian has shown that he was being selected as a left back in big games (Eruopa League, Liverpool, Chelsea and etc) ahead of the others which I have also mentioned this before.

Being selected the most and more favorable option in big games, surely it's fair to say that Darmian is in manager's first list picking order for left back position.
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To be honest i dont necessarily agree hes first choice. As i said i dont think we have a 1st choice LB.
 
Mike09 said:
?? I can't see where it shows that Darmian is totally not committed to stay at the club. The interviewers keep asking him but he never actually answered them.

Let's take a similar example few years ago when player loves to messing around with interviewers's brain,

Interviewer: are you coming back to United this summer
Ronaldo: you never know
Summer windows closed, and he stayed.
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Well we just interpret his quotes in different ways mate. I already suspected he would want to leave this summer for regular football.

Those quotes to me and seemingly the authors of the articles seem to suggest he might well want to leave.
 
Dunno why everyone is hating on him, he was probably our best player behind Fellaini and Rooney last season.
 
In a similar way to Kagawa, it's always seemed to me from his comments and body language that he's not especially keen on PL football.

Regardless, I give him credit for his improved defensive work but the total absence of anything to offer going forward should be considered unacceptable for us imo.
 
stevoc said:
Well we just interpret his quotes in different ways mate. I already suspected he would want to leave this summer for regular football.

Those quotes to me and seemingly the authors of the articles seem to suggest he might well want to leave.
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The interviewers thought he might leave since there is a rumour but not because he wants it. Darmian himself never say he wants to leave and he said we will see in the future and also he said in the quote that he's a Manchester United player and he will give his best if the manager plays him.

We have yet linked with a left back, so fair to say right now Jose isn't interested to sign a left back for now in this summer. According to Mourinho in winter windows, if players want to leave, they can leave as long as it's in the right price. And obviously I can't see a player who had been selected as a left back in his XI more than anyone else will leave such a cheap price in today's market.
 
stevoc said:
I get what you meant now mate fair enough. I didnt actually look into how many minutes he played in each of his games at LB.



To be honest i dont necessarily agree hes first choice. As i said i dont think we have a 1st choice LB.
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Indeed, but he's currently ahead of Blind, Young and Shaw for the manager's LB spot due to him being selected the most in XI and also being selected the most in big games. So fair to say he will be the first pecking order for the LB spot.
 
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