Okay, that's a strange example because all the World cup winners are born in France, at the exception of Desailly who was adopted and Vieira. It's probably the frenchiest team ever.
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Okay, that's a strange example because all the World cup winners are born in France, at the exception of Desailly who was adopted and Vieira. It's probably the frenchiest team ever.
Trezeguet was the major exception born in France but, grew up in Argentina.
The latest news about Hummels: Kicker says that Dortmund will offer him a new contract until 2021.
What would be the point of Dortmund's ad-hoc-statement when absolutely nothing is decided yet?
What would be the point of Dortmund's ad-hoc-statement when absolutely nothing is decided yet?
And joined Monaco academy, so he is a french born, formed by a french club but grew up in Argentina. Higuain would have been a good example if he chosed France, he is french but left early and never cameback.
How come Khedira and Ozil get asterisks and Klose doesn'tBritish players I'll agree with you on. They're actually worse than Germans but Spain and Italy have had more than a few. I can't think of many Germans beyond Ballack (Chelsea), Matthaus (Inter), Klose (Lazio) and Madridistas Illgner, Kroos, Khedeira* and Ozil* (*not real Germans so they get asterisks) ooh, Carsten Jancker as well but honestly he was shite.
My consternation comes from the fact that Germans love to travel and emigrate yet as footballers they seem inclined to stay at home. I guess it's a big league and perhaps they don't feel the need to go abroad to have a successful career in the way that Africans, Czechs, Croatians etc, might.
because stupidity.
Didn't pretty much all those players have a similar background (not necessarily tunisian).
The older ones? No, not at all. The modern ones, yeah, but there are more and I didn't really care about their immigration background. In the Premier League alone you have Schweinsteiger, Mertesacker, Wollscheid, Kirchhoff, Huth without that. There are so many more names throughout all eras. The only exception would be the 00's but it was a very weak generation of German players with barely anyone good enough to play for elite teams, therefore few big transfers from German players happened other than Ballack to Chelsea. And even then you had the likes of Metzelder go to Real or Enke to Barca. When Germany won the World Cup in 1990 in Italy, the big story was that we kinda have the home advantage because almost all our starters were playing in Italy. 8 of the 12 players who played in the final (7 of the 11 starters) had experience of playing for an Italian club. Kohler would move to Italy soon after and Illgner later would move to Real, Buchwald late in his career to Japan. Only Augenthaler stayed in Germany throughout his career.
I really find this discussion worrying. Do English football fans tell Danny Welbeck that he isn't really English because both his parents are Ghanaian? Do people discuss if he's more likely to move abroad than 'real' English footballers? Because that's what you imply, right? That Germans with an immigration background are more likely to move abroad just to keep that myth that German footballers don't go abroad alive?
This generation of German footballers today only mirrows the demographic change in recent decades, therefore you have also Germans with parents of mixed nationality, be it Gomez (German + Spanish), Khedira (German+Tunesia) or Boateng (German+Ghana). Then you have a few 'returnees' from parts of Germany we lost in the war, Klose the obvious example who is born in Upper Silesia but is of German ancestry and moved to Germany as a little boy. Of course there are also a few Germans of Turkish ancestry, like Özil whose family is now living in Germany in the 3rd generation. Which has to be expected considering the immigration of Turkish people to Germany over the last decades. They're all real Germans though, anyone saying otherwise is definitely at least a bit racist. Just like it would be racist to call Welbeck not a real Englishman.
The whole thing makes zero sense, I don't even get why that myth exists. Out of the 4 big European leagues, it's clearly Germany who by far has the most elite players going abroad. The simple reason is money. The ownership structure of German football clubs means that there's less money coming in from outside. Real and Barca always were richer and gave ridiculous money to foreigners from the 50's onwards. The success of the Italian league in the 80's and 90's was based on rich owners spending their own money to buy players. And to a lesser extend it's also true for English clubs because of their ownership model, certainly in the modern era. Germany never really had that, therefore we lost more players. At the moment, Spain also has many players going abroad because of the insane number of quality players coming out of their youth academy, but historically, Germany is on a different level there.
I was just saying that i consider the likes of khedira german. And yeah we all think balck english players are english. Even Barnes who is naturalised is comsidered english
Because I'm just fecking with you guys on that point.
My dad is German, so nothing to worry about.
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Top players, Balu, or at least those who are successful abroad (Schurlle, Prinz Poldi).
And, yeah, as I think you indicate in a later post, the perception is based mostly on the late 90s and 2000s.As long as he is a real German, it can be racist then. Good to know.Because I'm just fecking with you guys on that point.
My dad is German, so nothing to worry about.
Done deal here too. 38m Euros!!!!
Ffs . I don't think I've ever been that annoyed and frustrated by a transfer to us. So stupid.
. I don't think I've ever been that annoyed and frustrated by a transfer to us. So stupid.feck. Sanches and Hummels are 2 players we could have done with. They are by far the best club in terms of getting their targets fast in the market.
Ohh, shoot. Wish we were in for him. Oh well ..
Hummels will shortly give an interview and declare nothing is decided yet 
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Not a couple of bad crop of players for Ancelotti to join to, eh.
fecking Bayern
Jesus christ Bayern!
Wait Bayern have signed Hummels?
What a ridiculous league. Imagine if United and City were the only two realistic big teams in the league and then every season we took a player like Aguero, De Bruyne or Silva from them. It just takes so much legitmacy away from the competition no matter how much the Bayern fans try to defend it.
What a ridiculous league. Imagine if United and City were the only two realistic big teams in the league and then every season we took a player like Aguero, De Bruyne or Silva from them. It just takes so much legitmacy away from the competition no matter how much the Bayern fans try to defend it.
Bayern are awesome! The only time we signed players like this was nani and anderson.
Remember when everyone said the Bundesliga was the model we should aspire to......
oh i mean They were just eliminated by Atletico and are losing the best manager in the world.
Imo they're announcing these deal days after winning the league to create a feel good atmosphere before all the focus turns to the Euros.
All but confirming that the Bundesliga will be coming a close second to Ligue 1 as the most one-sided league in Europe. But I'm definitely not in any way bitter about this.
Can't Bayern at least wait till the window opens before signing everyone?
To be fair, City consistently do it to Arsenal. The one year they didn't we knobbed Van Persie off them.Wait Bayern have signed Hummels?
What a ridiculous league. Imagine if United and City were the only two realistic big teams in the league and then every season we took a player like Aguero, De Bruyne or Silva from them. It just takes so much legitmacy away from the competition no matter how much the Bayern fans try to defend it.
who's next for Bayern to announce then? Dembele?
The next years' title.
There's so many more legitimate challengers in the PL these days though. Think back to the late 90's with United and Arsenal being the two big dogs. The closest comparison is a situation like that with us signing Vieira one summer, Tony Adams the next and Henry the season after. It's not Bayern's fault as they look out for their own interests but it's absolutely terrible for the league.
Quite a day for Bayern with him and Sanches now. Exciting times for them. I expect a lot of bitter onlookers soon.
Was only a matter of time until he played for Bayern again.
"nothing decided".There's a reason for that, perhaps it's the other premier league teams taking all their best players.
Perfect example of why winning the bundesliga for pep is about as impressive as Blanc winning the french League. There is nobody who can even get close to them. Dortmund put up a great fight but they can only do so much when shit like this happens yearly
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