Mathys Tel | talks with Bayern back on?

I think Bayern looking for a loan with obligation as opposed to option kind of takes any shine of the transfer for me. The latter allows us to test drive the goods and really motivates the player to try their best whereas an obligation skews the risk on to the club a lot more.
 
If there is an obligation walk away. We only want to keep him if he can do the job. Otherwise just take a straight loan on one of the other warm bodies.

None of our options are great right now so unless the option is in our favour let's focus on training improvements for the rest of the season and keep the money in our pockets for the real deals in the summer.
 
Watch some actual matches, Garnacho is currently head and shoulders above

He's not really that much better, if at all

In his current state Tel is nowhere near Garnacho or Zirkzee. The idea that he can somehow raise our current level is ridiculous. This is a talented kid who is severely struggling to find his feet at a big club and who clearly needs a couple of seasons regularly playing in a low pressure environment in order to develop.
We are the very opposite of a low pressure environment, as visible by the expectations in this thread that couldn't be more misguided.

The same people who now claim he can usurp our whole attack and replace Rashford will be tearing into the player after a month. Because they're fecking clueless, looking at stat apps while not even feeding it the correct data.
 
In his current state Tel is nowhere near Garnacho or Zirkzee. The idea that he can somehow raise our current level is ridiculous. This is a talented kid who is severely struggling to find his feet at a big club and who clearly needs a couple of season of playing in a low pressure environment to develop.
We are the very opposite of a low pressure environment, as visible by the expectations in this thread that couldn't be more misguided.

The same people who know claim he can usurp our whole attack and replace Rashford will be tearing into the player after a month. Because they're fecking clueless, looking at stat apps while not even feeding it the correct data.
Nice summary, thanks. He's not the right player for us and we aren't the right club for him at this point in time
 
If we sign him is Amorim going to pick him? I'd hope so but given we played without a striker today...
I think he’s going to take Garnacho’s place before the end of the season. I’d say he’s a better fit. Once we have the left wingback up to speed that is.
 
In his current state Tel is nowhere near Garnacho or Zirkzee. The idea that he can somehow raise our current level is ridiculous. This is a talented kid who is severely struggling to find his feet at a big club and who clearly needs a couple of seasons regularly playing in a low pressure environment in order to develop.
We are the very opposite of a low pressure environment, as visible by the expectations in this thread that couldn't be more misguided.

The same people who now claim he can usurp our whole attack and replace Rashford will be tearing into the player after a month. Because they're fecking clueless, looking at stat apps while not even feeding it the correct data.
Well that’s a big red flag!
 
This is a talented kid who is severely struggling to find his feet at a big club and who clearly needs a couple of seasons regularly playing in a low pressure environment in order to develop.
We are the very opposite of a low pressure environment, as visible by the expectations in this thread that couldn't be more misguided.
Exactly my thoughts as well. I do not think Tel and United would work out for either side.
Tel needs a stable club with a calm environment where he gets playtime without being expected to perform miracles, somewhere he can find himself and gain confidence without all that desperate need to prove himself that he currently oozes and which makes him worse, not better. United needs somebody who can come in and perform on a position, not someone who is at the low point of their form curve and doesn't have a proper position.
 
We obviously don’t wanna meet Bayern’s terms which is fine by me. But please find a half decent goal scorer. We’re desperate
 
Seems negotiations have fallen through after Bayern were insistent on an obligation buy rather than an option