Well, only about 50% more but who is counting.
On a more serious note: if he wants to go to Tottenham Bayern should obviously take the €60m. That is a lot for potential, because that is what they would be buying.
Agree regarding Bayern.
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Agree regarding Bayern.
Bayern can also reject a loan to be fair, which would leave Spurs as his only option if he really wants out. Unless another club makes a bid for permanent transfer
Thought they were welcoming loan offers
I have no idea
Sure but I feel this route is less common for a club to impose no? Especially if the loan has an option.
Have we made a loan with option offer though?
Don't think we have made any offer
Do you mean obligation?
I doubt most clubs don't take a 60m euro permanent offer vs a loan, even with an option.
I think the players preference only really comes into play when the purchasing clubs can meet minimum demands.
Also I'm sure Bayern would be happy to keep him
Listening to the Transfers podcast earlier, either Castles or Murphy were suggesting Bayern may prefer a straight loan as they still feel he has high potential. Whether they have a clue I don't know, and I wouldn't be overly keen on a loan without an option unless we were truly desperate.
Common sense says they'll take the €60m if it's on the table.
Lads, it’s Tottenham.
So you still think we have a chance
The Miguel Delaney article is really badly written. It reads like he wrote it in another language and had it put through google translate. There's a couple of sentences I don't understand
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...n-utd-arsenal-chelsea-tottenham-b2689245.html
"The news that the 19-year-old wanted to the German club, which has now been confirmed by Bayern’s sporting director Max Eberl, has sparked a frenzy among some of the wealthiest Premier League teams"
"a hugely promising but currently productive attacking talent"
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...n-utd-arsenal-chelsea-tottenham-b2689245.html
"The news that the 19-year-old wanted to the German club, which has now been confirmed by Bayern’s sporting director Max Eberl, has sparked a frenzy among some of the wealthiest Premier League teams"
"a hugely promising but currently productive attacking talent"
I honestly don't think we should go for him, just wait till the summer and throw 60 million at Gyokeres
Still feel we need him or Nkunku until summer
He's a dreadful journalist.
If we really want him, I dont think he will go to Spurs.
Levi is well known to make the player's life hell if the player wants to leave Spurs.
Levi also has history of refusing to admit to gentleman agreement he had with certain player to allow them to leave.
Levi is well known to make the player's life hell if the player wants to leave Spurs.
Levi also has history of refusing to admit to gentleman agreement he had with certain player to allow them to leave.
Guess we will see over the next few days
No wonder most European clubs think the EPL clubs are chumps.
A player thats only had 8 appearances this season -- 0 goals is not worth 50million quid.
A player thats only had 8 appearances this season -- 0 goals is not worth 50million quid.
Spurs are very desperate - must be worried about relegation.
He was one of the highest rated young players in Europe when Bayern signed him. He made his debut at 16 looked quality and has been fantastic at youth international level, that's why they paid 30m for him.
He hasn't played because Bayern have Musiala/Sane/Gbabry/Coman/Olise.
He's still an elite talent and when you look at his statistics per 90mins his overall performances have been excellent.
Musiala isn’t in competition with Tel. Sane, Gnabry and Coman have been abysmal for years now. That’s not the reason he didn’t play. The reason he didn’t play is rather that he’s not a real winger but also lacks physicality to play as a single nine. He’s best utilised as a second striker for now and we don’t have that position. So very good reasons that don’t cast doubt on his obvious talent.
But bigging up Sane, Coman and Gnabry as this gigantic and insurmountable obstacle is a bit ridiculous, considering that basically every Bayernfan wants them gone by yesterday.
Given we play with two tens, would he be suited to those positions if he’s a second striker?
Difficult to say. He’s not exactly a playmaker. His short passing game isn’t anything special. He will sometimes miss better positioned teammates. His biggest strength in my opinion is his finishing. Even though he has few goals lately. That’s mostly down to a lack of good opportunities and a lack of patience, as he seemed desperate to prove himself.
He’d be best in a system where he can roam a bit behind the main striker, utilise his agility and acceleration and where he can make some deep runs. So I’m not sure he’d be that great for you. At least not if you want a playmaking element from him. But I also believe that whatever team offers him a role like that will soon see their investment pay dividends. The talent is there.
Ideally one our two 10s would be a playmaker and the other a more explosive second striker of sorts. So maybe he could perform in the latter role. But he’d still have to work on his passing as the role would eventually demand it.
Also in Amorim’s system he’d need to put in a real shift every game.
That shouldn’t be a problem for him. He always gave it his best.
Every time I've watched Musiala for Bayern he's played in a 10 role as a sort of second striker. How can the best role for Tel be a second striker but he's not in competition with him?
Was he signed to play as a 9 and Bayern just don't think he's ready/capable?
We almost exclusively played Tel on the left wing. Especially since Kompany took over.
Why are Spurs in for him so bad? Aren't they pretty stacked for options in attack? Surely they're better off spending elsewhere
Not in his first season though, bringing in Kane didn't help his development in that position since Kane played virtually every game last season. I agree he might not have the physical strength of a nine right now but he's still 19 and can easily build up that strength, it's clear his best position is upfront and should be developed there rather as a winger just because he's good at dribbling.
I can't imagine they'd want to trust us with an asset on loan tbh. They'll want the Spurs deal.
If he lacks physicality I cant see him contributing any time soon for an Amorim team.
He is fit and able to run and press etc. The mentioned lack of physicality only means that he isn't build like a tank and won't bully big CBs around which is why he isn't best as a striker at the moment. For every position behind that he is in great shape.
Yep. Should have been a bit clearer on that. He still needs to bulk up a bit. But that should only be a matter of time.
I am not sure we will be willing to spend 50m on a player who may not be a natural fit for #10 or #9 (although he could potentially develop into either one in the future). Suspect he was a contingency plan in case Garna left but with Spurs bidding 50m, think the train may have passed the station.
I think at most we should offer a deal of a loan plus an option to buy for 40m pounds with 10m in possible add ons. But even then that would be the max, I'd probably start at 30m first as an option to buy see how they feel
Yep because Spurs are amazing at developing players.
They would not be developing Tel for Bayern if it came to the transfer to Spurs, so why would they care about that? With a loan deal to United (or anywhere else), that would be different.
No I'm just speculating on an option because that was referenced in one of the articles for us.
Agreed on your consensus but I think this will be a factor of joint agreement where Tel & Bayern will need to be on the same page. If he's faced with the project of Manchester United or Tottenham he can swing the club to some extent. Bayern themselves may not be against a loan because if he does well they can bring him back to Bundasliga as a potentially more valuable player. The school of thought against Spurs' bid would be that it's too early to cash in for his talent.
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