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Mason Mount's Many Misfortunes (please don't make another waste of money post)
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His talent is quite questioned actually
And it's not remotely comparable to Hojlund. Mount has been in the PL for 4 years now; Hojlund was a 20 year old raw striker prospect that played a single year in Italy before we signed him.
Yeah hopefully it's the last of these square peg signings now INEOS will in charge of recruitment
Would have preferred a bid for Conor Gallagher
If we paid £55m for Lingard would you consider that an overpay? Because that's the kind of player we got, but more injury prone. And the discussion about fee isn't really relevant anyway because he would have been free this summer.
Or Frank Gallagher...
This one still boggles the mind. With a limited budget he is not a #8 we needed, yet we seem to have bought him for that position nonetheless. He’s not a good enough #10 post Bruno either, where he misses vision and passing range. I think at best he’d be a squad player when fit, especially after signings in the coming summer..
It isn't really an "overpay" if he turns out to be a good transfer. We definitely didn't expect him to be out for almost the entire season, so hindsight is 20/20.
We needed him NOW because Fred contract was up. I don't mind this fee really, the main thing is we can easily recoup the money we paid for him (contrary to for example Antony).
ETH thinks that a midfield of two no 10s can work. It sort of did with Eriksen and Bruno and he believed that Mount could do the same. Unfortunately anyone who understand the EPL know that football is very physical there. A 5ft11 attacking midfielder would struggle to adapt in a deeper role both physically and mentally (its against his nature to play this deep) unless he's Paul Scholes. Now add that to the fact that Casemiro is getting old and that all our flank men think they're frigging Cristiano Ronaldo and you'll have a recipe for disaster. The work rate is simply not there.
But that's not the mess up we have in CM. We lack tall players in defense. That's well and good in normal circumstances but in terms of set pieces and corners that's a problem as imps can't win a header battle against the typical 6ft3 opponent. Thus inches must come from somewhere else which is why McT is used so much. That's a problem because McT can only bring 2 things to the table ie a good eye for goal and his height.
Which leads us to the question of why we didn't plan for this. First of all it made zero sense to get a DM at the end of his career on silly money. Legs are the first to go. Secondly we should have brought a deep lying playmaker who can help in defensive duties. We went for Mount instead
This is very simple, but accurate problem description. One remark however is that it could probably work with one "small" midfielder, but definitely not two - so the fact ETH planned on leaving Casemiro on his own in midfield is ridiculous.
We are at the point that a powerhouse DM is probably what we need, as we can field him with some good on the ball midfielders in Mainoo and Mount/Bruno (Mount fits this system much more than Bruno imo).
Do we buy players who are already injury prone or is it only when they join United they start missing long periods of the season? It happens too often for it to be passed off as bad luck
He missed most of last season
Don't think I'd count Mount as injury prone yet. Throughout his career, only last year (1 period) and this year (two) has he been injured. If it happens again though, he'll definitely be the borderline.
When Conor Gallagher was available for £50m we seriously bought the wrong player from Chelsea.
Unless they are selling Cole Palmer we should just stop buying from Chelsea full stop.
(That being said they have so many players Ive lost track of half of them).
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Send him back to Chelsea in the summer. They love him there and he loves them too, so if they can work out a fee, I’d Robbie Keane him immediately.
Swap for Lukaku? Or Kepa?
His talent is quite questioned actually
And it's not remotely comparable to Hojlund. Mount has been in the PL for 4 years now; Hojlund was a 20 year old raw striker prospect that played a single year in Italy before we signed him.
Indeed.
I'd also add that Hojlund has a lot to prove. Scoring a few goals in the league (his average goals/game is very low) proves nothing.
A few years ago, some believed Martial would go onto become one of the best in the World. We are now at stage where we can't sell him if we wanted to.
So, let's just wait and see if Hojulnd turns out to be good-great.
Regarding Mason Mount - it's been an absolute disastrous debut season for him. If we'd bought prime Messi and he was injured for his first season - this would be a viable gamble, but Mount has never been a great player.
We overpaid for him and given that he clearly has injury woes, this makes it an even worse deal for us.
In any case, next year he should be assessed and if he has a weak season, he should be ejected from the team. I am sick and tired of us hanging onto deadwood as if our lives depend on it.
Sure, but had Mount had 4 years on his deal he wouldn't have even been available and if he was sold would be much more than 55m.
Much is a stretch. Nowhere near what Rice went for, certainly.
There is 50m difference in their price. Quite a big difference and room for Mount to have been much more expensive and still significantly cheaper than Rice.
Yup, same. I'm starting to think McTominay makes more sense even if you want to play 2 no 10's. Bit grim but his height is useful. I think i'd want mainoo to take his position most of the time though.
Such a stupid signing. Injury prone, too expensive, and already plays in the position of our captain. The people who authorised it need to be placed on gardening leave.
And you said similar player, I was pointing out Rice is significantly superior so not really a similar player. So a much better player with much longer on his contract, Mount really was overpriced by that metric.
it’s the weird positive problem of Bruno both being captain and a flawless fitness record
Erik had a clear (but stupid) vision of playing two 10s in the premier league. It made sense as we bought into that vision.
Declan Rice was £100m rising to £105m. Mount was £55m rising to £60m. Who seems more likely to trigger the clauses?
It’s £45m currently and could end up at either 40m or 50m depending on clauses triggered.
You mean like City have done with Bernardo and De Bruyne? Or Gundogan and De Bruyne?
I don’t think Rice is significantly better tbh. They play different roles so comparisons are hard to make but one guy has won the Conference League and the other won the Champions League. They’ve both been mainstays for England. Mount won player of the year twice for Chelsea.
I get that Mount isn’t a flashy player or exciting in the way that some unknown Brazilian wonderkid could be but he seems like the kind of player the Germans would love. He’s hard working, has enough quality on the ball and contributes in both attacking and defensive phases. There is a reason Tuchel liked him and Bayern were linked in the summer.
It hasn’t worked out for him so far but we’ve also barely seen him play.
Depth is also a thing. We should want cover for Bruno just as City have spare £50m players.
For 55-60m and one of the highest wages at the club? When available for free a year later?
What absolute turds of signings Mount and Havertz both are for the money.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/mason-mount-contract-man-utd-transfer-b1091649.html
£60m fee, with £300k a week five year contract
An absolute abomination of a transfer. Can only hope some semblance of normalcy returns under new men because we have been recruiting and spending like lunatics.
£60m fee, with £300k a week five year contract
An absolute abomination of a transfer. Can only hope some semblance of normalcy returns under new men because we have been recruiting and spending like lunatics.
Why is every player of ours and their dog on £300k a week nowadays?https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/mason-mount-contract-man-utd-transfer-b1091649.html
£60m fee, with £300k a week five year contract
An absolute abomination of a transfer. Can only hope some semblance of normalcy returns under new men because we have been recruiting and spending like lunatics.
Lingard? Yeah right, why not even say Bebe, or Dong?