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I’ve not actually seen him play yet. Bring on the first match of the season
On the other hand, we also have a bunch of digital football managers who " find more bizarre is this constant failure to understand where and how he fits in and why the manager wanted him as a priority". So now we have posters popping up with how obvious it is what ETH is trying to do after like you said 75mins of pre-season.That’s a different concern to the oneI answered but equally bizarre for people to be taking a grand total of around 75 pre season minutes, when we’ve actually played the formation you’ve described, as any sort of an indicator of its success. It’s knee jerkism to support a wider anti Mount agenda.
I’ll clue you in, as it seems you don’t understand this yet, but it takes a sustained period of time for an approach to be (a) competently mastered by the players and (b) to truly assess its viability. A handful of pre season minutes is worthless as a barometer of anything. Success or failure.
On the other hand, we also have a bunch of digital football managers who " find more bizarre is this constant failure to understand where and how he fits in and why the manager wanted him as a priority". So now we have posters popping up with how obvious it is what ETH is trying to do after like you said 75mins of pre-season.
First we bought Mount as Eriksen replacement.
Then it turned out they are actually nothing alike and we're obviously switching to 4-3-3 with Mount/Bruno dropping to midfield when needed.
Now we've reached the point when we're "obviously" pushing Bruno deeper and play Mount in advanced role because he's apparently very suited to running channels and he will be key in pressing up high. We might as well conclude soon he's actually best on the wing, that's how much we know about Mount signing and how he fits in the team.
It's all true btw. But we know feck all about what will happen and how the team will play, so it's a bit ridiculous how people try to be smart now. The only thing we can conclude is we are nowhere near getting the balance/system right so we keep experimenting. This simply isn't a positive sign a week from playing first league game.
We started last season with Eriksen as DLP and this was ditched very quickly after we saw how this works (or doesn't work) when we play serious football.
A good read. thanks
Some people don't realize how easy it is to watch any match you'd want. The world has changed, talk about being stuck in the past.Such a ridiculous take that was. How does one come up with stuff like that?
The way I see thing is that I trust ETH if he chose him to be his first signing this summer. As far as I'm concerned preseason means feck all just as what he did at Chelsea (which I've found to be underwhelming). The canvas is blank and I hope Mount justifies his price tag by consistent good performances.What I find more bizarre is this constant failure to understand where and how he fits in and why the manager wanted him as a priority. And to top it all off pushing the agenda of a completely different type of player which would necessitate a change in playing style from the manager’s preferred system. That seems the most bizarre take of all.
Yo get a marquee player like Mount, from a rival, early in the window, when he’s the manager’s number one target, is to be celebrated not derided.
All the mud slingers on here will be quick to wheel out their “I told you so’s” as soon as Mount has a bad game (which all players do) but stay conspicuously quiet when he plays well. It’s the most predictable thing in the world at this point. Talk enough negative shit and you’ll be right eventually. However briefly.
The match day forum will be full of toxic Nostradamus clones again this year, and be one to avoid for the foreseeable future. That part of the site is pretty much ground zero for stupidity these days.
Mount job is to act like a cog in the machine. His off the ball movement is extremely important to help tie us together, by always being a option for the other players.
No, people's main problem is they have already seen him play week in week out and know there is nothing special there. A good player who will work hard but little else.
A foreign player may or not be better. With Mount we know what we are getting and it's not exactly thrilling.
Mount isn't Bruno 2.0 and that's not his job. Bruno is our main creative outlet. Mount job is to act like a cog in the machine. His off the ball movement is extremely important to help tie us together, by always being a option for the other players. If you want to measure Mount's actual impact you have to look at his team mates. Antony looks much better in the team with Mount to play of.
Another comment that sounds like the excuses repeatedly made for DVB - "cog in the machine" my foot.
Him supposedly "always being a option for the other players" was not evident at all in pre-season, in fact it more looked as if he was hiding and he rarely received a pass from his team-mates.
He's really going to have to improve his influence on games and his sharpness relative to his team-mates in the season proper.
Mount isn't Bruno 2.0 and that's not his job. Bruno is our main creative outlet. Mount job is to act like a cog in the machine. His off the ball movement is extremely important to help tie us together, by always being a option for the other players. If you want to measure Mount's actual impact you have to look at his team mates. Antony looks much better in the team with Mount to play of.
No, people's main problem is they have already seen him play week in week out and know there is nothing special there. A good player who will work hard but little else.
Good points.It's OK. Carrick fits the description - not thrilling, good but nothing more, known quantity after many years in the PL - and he's the last successful midfielder we signed. Just let the lad play here for a season and see well he does, shall we?
And whilst i don't agree with the general tone of the post you quoted and what it might be implying, i feel that there is actually an argument to be had here. In the post-SAF era, and before deciding on Mount, United have spent close to 350 million pounds on central midfielders (Fellaini, Blind, Herrera, Morgan, Bastian, Pogba, Miki, Matic, Fred and VdB). Did anyone of them receive the same stick as Mount before they even kicked a ball for the club?
I think the issue with Mount is twofold. Firstly, United fans love a maverick. It's the same people who will constantly get on Antony's back because he doesn't offer end product and praise Garnacho for taking on his marker 20 times per 90 to score a goal in every two or three games. They will wave away the fact that Antony is one of the most press resistant players and one of the better ball carriers in the team because they believe we should have another pure attacking talent there. You need both types, the ones who are able to force the issue and the ones with a better "feel" of the game. And Bruno is already a huge magnet for United when we have the ball. We know how he prefers to play, we've made him our focal point, but we can't play like that for 90 minutes.
The other thing is that Mount doesn't quite fit some people's preconceived notion of a midfielder's role on the pitch. Mount is good at winning and protecting the ball high up the pitch and whether some fans want to understand it or not, these are the areas where matches are decided nowadays. Not in front of your own box. It's a different objective regarding the midfield battle. Plus, if your main concern about the midfield is how it will cover the holes the attackers leave behind, you'll never get a better midfield than that.
It might be the case that your perception of what our midfield needs differs from ten Hag's.Not a bad player but wildly overpriced for what he's shown in the past and the fit to our team.
It's funny last season ETH chased FDJ around when he's not a good DM, we luckily get a great DM and now the profile of FDJ next to Cas and Bruno would make a strong midfield. Like Cas, Modric, Kroos. Instead we get Mount who is more akin to Lucas Vasquez. Obviously pricing differences and FDJ but being available but a finished midfield we do not have. Even someone like Tielemans would've been a better fit as a passing CM
Cavani and Ronaldo and di Maria had me fooledHe is also being paid huge wages, not Sanchez level ofcourse. But our past #7's also wanted to be here apart from Alexis I'd say.
What do you term "special"? He's a lot better than the average PL standard for many different areas (passing, work rate, pressing success rate, set pieces, dribbling through the middle).
Sure he's not Frenkie, but you don't need a team full of Galacticos.
He is going to be the third man in a midfield of Bruno and Casemiro, and he is comfortably the worst of the three. I think that's what many of us wanted, certainly what i wanted for 60m, a player who was at least equal to the other two.
The number 7 shirt has been cursed since Ronaldo left in 2009.
For 60m, who would that have been (and was equal to Casemiro and Bruno)?
Ah, that’s interesting. I’ll look for that.Mount isn't Bruno 2.0 and that's not his job. Bruno is our main creative outlet. Mount job is to act like a cog in the machine. His off the ball movement is extremely important to help tie us together, by always being a option for the other players. If you want to measure Mount's actual impact you have to look at his team mates. Antony looks much better in the team with Mount to play of.
He is going to be the third man in a midfield of Bruno and Casemiro, and he is comfortably the worst of the three. I think that's what many of us wanted, certainly what i wanted for 60m, a player who was at least equal to the other two.
He is going to be the third man in a midfield of Bruno and Casemiro, and he is comfortably the worst of the three. I think that's what many of us wanted, certainly what i wanted for 60m, a player who was at least equal to the other two.
Worst of the three??
What has Bruno done in his career to get the praises some of you people give him?
Bruno has never played in a champions league semi final in his fecking career, not a single game..
He's 29 years old in the next 30 DAYS by the way.
Never won any meaningful trophy in his career.
Never been involved in a major club title winning team or campaign.
Don't come here with carabao cup.
You people are very blindsided, there is a reason ETH pushes Bruno to the wing. I've said it severally the reason IS, Bruno is not a midfielder for a very top side.
Its not a coincidence he has never won anything meaningful in his career or played in big decisive games frequently.
Just compare Bruno with Bernardo Silva. Both same age, same physical attributes, but one has won multiples leagues titles, involved in highest level games, scored in champions league semi finals, assist in final.
Eventually we will move on from Bruno in the next 18 months.
Being a transition team will never achieve great sustainable success. You beat Barca then get humiliated by Sevilla. Beat Liverpool at OT get humiliated at Anfield. Beat City at OT get hammered at Etihad. Not sustainable at all.
To show you how Cafe is blindsided by Bruno, people here will still choose Bruno over Bernardo Silva.
Give me Bernardo any second of the game.
Eventually, Mount will take position 10 in the team, give it 18 months you will see. Even Wout was tried as a 10.
You could read Chinese newspapers for 10 years and still not have a clue what's happening.You do realize some fans know a lot about Mount, probably more than Ten Hag, and have been basing their judgements based on years of youtube highlights? .000001 years still counts as years, but that's beyond the point.
May be jumping to conclusion here but I feel like... you're not entirely happy with Bruno.Worst of the three??
What has Bruno done in his career to get the praises some of you people give him?
Bruno has never played in a champions league semi final in his fecking career, not a single game..
He's 29 years old in the next 30 DAYS by the way.
Never won any meaningful trophy in his career.
Never been involved in a major club title winning team or campaign.
Don't come here with carabao cup.
You people are very blindsided, there is a reason ETH pushes Bruno to the wing. I've said it severally the reason IS, Bruno is not a midfielder for a very top side.
Its not a coincidence he has never won anything meaningful in his career or played in big decisive games frequently.
Just compare Bruno with Bernardo Silva. Both same age, same physical attributes, but one has won multiples leagues titles, involved in highest level games, scored in champions league semi finals, assist in final.
Eventually we will move on from Bruno in the next 18 months.
Being a transition team will never achieve great sustainable success. You beat Barca then get humiliated by Sevilla. Beat Liverpool at OT get humiliated at Anfield. Beat City at OT get hammered at Etihad. Not sustainable at all.
To show you how Cafe is blindsided by Bruno, people here will still choose Bruno over Bernardo Silva.
Give me Bernardo any second of the game.
Eventually, Mount will take position 10 in the team, give it 18 months you will see. Even Wout was tried as a 10.